Detailing Thread [For Newbies][continued]

[madkatz]

Talking about using QD after regular washing... when we use QD to boost the wax or add another layer of protection as a last step... sorry idol kung di clear

I did some research and it seems that it IS an actual practice... the mentioned that the QD lep removive friction from the drying towel when drying one's car...

here's the link to a forum I read...

http://bbs.scoobynet.com/car-care-38...le-drying.html

here's some excerpts from OGE/OID found in autogeek:

Optimum suggests using the Optimum Instant Detailer & Gloss Enhancer in conjunction with Optimum No Rinse Wash & Shine. Use No Rinse as usual but, before you dry the vehicle, spray on some Optimum Instant Detailer. It will create a super slick, incredibly glossy finish.

After washing the car with Optimum Car Wash, spray your vehicle with Instant Detailer as you towel dry each panel. Optimum Instant Detailer & Gloss Enhancer can be used on wet or dry surfaces.

Mga Idol, what do you think of this practice? Parang sayang nga ung QD, plus, if the QD is hydrophobic (like Megs QD), I can't see how the QD will blend well with water...

The QD with hydrophobic technology would go into the paint and remove water in the process, QD's bond to the surface better than water so the QD will be the one to replace the water on the paint something like that, we actually questions this with the release of UQW with Megs

[Hardinero]

a cleaner sealant will work better with a finishing sealant

ho nga paps...kaya lang nasa isip ko eh makintab yung finish nung carnauba cleaner wax...and ma-preserve nung sealant yung kintab nya..

parang bitin kasi ako sa shine nung carlack AIO and longlife combination...

what are you thoughts po gurus...

thnx din pala sa IPA headsup paps..medyo nasa page 32 palang kasi me ng thread...late ko na nabasa hehe..


*PSI nabanggit mo yung unano? eto ba yung KP600 na sale ngaun sa ACE?

or anybody could answer po

[madkatz]

san ko ba nabasa na sabi eh spray sealant ito....pero from the name spray wax siya....

Meguiars Synthetic X-press™ Spray Wax can be applied in direct sunlight <<<--- eto ang nagustuhan ko dito...any comment on this comrades..

*madkatz ms, tama ba intindi ko spray wax ito judging from the name...

with regards, to spray sealant parang ok siya since mas mabilis i-apply...how about naman yung durability kaya nito same din kaya nung sealant na applied using yung pad..

or sealant booster lang din..i guess yung spray sealant...

Its a Hybrid, its both sealant and wax but more towards sealant

its a spray sealant in the sense that it has sealant aspects in its chemistry and its in spray form but it can't be considered as a finishing sealant, so this would be great for boosting existing sealant protection, just like Spray Wax is to Wax, Spray Sealant is to Finishing Sealant, its more of a booster for sealant not really a pure finishing sealant

it won't be able to stand up to pure and finishing sealants if you ask me, actually Megs doesn't have any sealant that stands up that long and what more a spray version

its a booster

[madkatz]

*madkatz ano po yung IPA?

saka ask ko na rin kasi balak ko mag double wax or combo wax (what ba tamang term since sealant namn i-apply ko)

kasi forgot between the two pre-cleaner wax or cleaner wax ang papahiran mo after ng isoprophyl alcohol before mo i-top ng sealant..

balak ko kasi mag apply ng carnauba cleaner wax then carlack long life sealant...pahiran ko pa ba ng isoprophyl alcohol in between...

meron akong carlack AIO (pero parang gusto ko na lang gawin QD ito) since before kasi nag-apply ako ng carnauba cleaner wax and for me ok ang finished nya makintab compared sa carlack AI0...

siguro for brandnew cars ok yung combination ng carlack AI0 then top with long life sealant...IMO..

IPA is Isopropyl Alcohol

seal and wax would be a better term

both would be better if wiped with IPA before applying a sealant but i would recommend a cleaner sealant because it works better

A pre-wax cleaner would work better than a cleaner wax if its a sealant to be topped after, the IPA might not be able to remove all the oils if you use a cleaner wax after, or you can wash your car again

For me don't turn AIO into a QD, its the LLS thats usually made into a QD, AIO is the best step before LLS to optimize bonding with the paint, if you didn't have great results with AIO then you might need to machine apply it to the paint to get better results, and you might be liking the cleaner wax because it can fill a little better, but if you ask me AIO is still better than most OTC cleaner waxes out there

[PSI]

*PSI nabanggit mo yung unano? eto ba yung KP600 na sale ngaun sa ACE?

or anybody could answer po

mukhang masmaliit pa ata yung unano ni master eh.... well ye, we could say na unano nga yan... as it says...unano "small" than regular ones..... no offence ment to anyone....so just we are clear....

[madkatz]

Guys,
Anyone of you tried using one of these?

hook and loop type ang backing plate so I guess pwede magamit pang car detailing works.

http://www.ryobi.com.au/Products/Pow.../ERO750VK.aspx

http://www.ryobi.co.nz/Products/Powe.../ERO240VK.aspx

I've seen that brand before but i don't know where, but it does look familiar, anyway based on its specifications i think its a ROP alright and i would recommend the first one better than the second one, the first one has a higher wattage with a slower OPM, its odd that they placed is at RPM but it should be OPM, since it has a higher wattage and slower OPM i guess this would have more power for rotation, this was the problem we had with the Bosch AE/GE-125 it has a lot of wattage but also high OPM not much torque on rotation, the first machine pretty much has the same specifications as the modified bosch we had in terms of OPM and wattage setting, how much is the price would you know?

[madkatz]

ho nga paps...kaya lang nasa isip ko eh makintab yung finish nung carnauba cleaner wax...and ma-preserve nung sealant yung kintab nya..

parang bitin kasi ako sa shine nung carlack AIO and longlife combination...

what are you thoughts po gurus...

thnx din pala sa IPA headsup paps..medyo nasa page 32 palang kasi me ng thread...late ko na nabasa hehe..


*PSI nabanggit mo yung unano? eto ba yung KP600 na sale ngaun sa ACE?

or anybody could answer po

you won't be maximizing AIO and LLS with that set up, its still best to use AIO with LLS not a cleaner wax before that is if you are after protection and durability

[madkatz]

That's what QDs are all about, to lube, to lightly clean, and most often to gloss all at the same time. Using it while drying cuts one step from the process.

after onr, they're drying with OID as a gloss enhancer. After OCWash, they're drying with OID as a lube and gloss.

That's ok because most QDs are diluted with water.

up with this

and yes its true that most QD's are diluted with what and what ever chemical that isn't water is usually very prone to attach itself to the paint rather than water replacing the water in the paint in the process, but this works well if the paint is quite dry in most panels meaning its not really still soaked with water

[Hardinero]

IPA is Isopropyl Alcohol

seal and wax would be a better term

both would be better if wiped with IPA before applying a sealant but i would recommend a cleaner sealant because it works better

A pre-wax cleaner would work better than a cleaner wax if its a sealant to be topped after, the IPA might not be able to remove all the oils if you use a cleaner wax after, or you can wash your car again

For me don't turn AIO into a QD, its the LLS thats usually made into a QD, AIO is the best step before LLS to optimize bonding with the paint, if you didn't have great results with AIO then you might need to machine apply it to the paint to get better results, and you might be liking the cleaner wax because it can fill a little better, but if you ask me AIO is still better than most OTC cleaner waxes out there

thanks for the heads up ma'am...as advise i'll go na lang for the carlack twins...if time permits eh...i-top ko lang ng top coat...

medyo hirap din kasi mag 2 layers since open garage then car tent lang bubong ko...tas maalikabok samin...ka-inggit tuloy nung mga covered garage..hehe

mukhang masmaliit pa ata yung unano ni master eh.... well ye, we could say na unano nga yan... as it says...unano "small" than regular ones..... no offence ment to anyone....so just we are clear....

eh di mas mura....medyo sakit din kasi sa daliri mag hand applied o baka mali lang yung way ko...


noob question...mali nga ba yung style ko ng pag wax kasi nasakit daliri ko...kaya ginagawa ko eh after nung hood saka yung fender eh....mag-chat (mirc) muna ako then after awhile ibang panel naman...

pa-share naman po ng proper technique..

[jmpet626]

Try using yung applicator ng microtex yung violet na foam block so you can use the palm of your hand and not your fingers

[air23]

yun bang ROP at Dual Action Polisher pareho lang ba yun? Ang bigat pala nung KP600 natry ko buhatin nung nagpunta ako sa ACE.

mga boss, ano gamit niyo panglinis ng tires? yung isang gulong ko kasi medyo brownish dahil sa putik ng ulan siguro yun. natry ko sponge lang at car shampoo eh parang andun parin yung dumi kasi medyo brownish parin. yung other 3 tires ko naman normal ang pagkablack nila. ano ba magandang panglinis ng tires in my case?

[PSI]

medyo hirap din kasi mag 2 layers since open garage then car tent lang bubong ko...tas maalikabok samin...ka-inggit tuloy nung mga covered garage..hehe



eh di mas mura....medyo sakit din kasi sa daliri mag hand applied o baka mali lang yung way ko...

master adviced me na mag go for the PC than the unano...but thinking na FLEX na lang kaya....FLEX me plus sa skills ko agad ...eh zero pa naman yun HAHAHAH!! pero better wait for IDOL BIGTYM MATT.....onte na lang dec na....at bebenta na niya PC niya...hehehehhe!!

[Louie_18]

I've seen that brand before but i don't know where, but it does look familiar, anyway based on its specifications i think its a ROP alright and i would recommend the first one better than the second one, the first one has a higher wattage with a slower OPM, its odd that they placed is at RPM but it should be OPM, since it has a higher wattage and slower OPM i guess this would have more power for rotation, this was the problem we had with the Bosch AE/GE-125 it has a lot of wattage but also high OPM not much torque on rotation, the first machine pretty much has the same specifications as the modified bosch we had in terms of OPM and wattage setting, how much is the price would you know?

There's a seller in sulit. The 750watts I think is 2.5K and the 400watts is 2.8K. I saw one kanina sa isang surplus shop sa festival and it's 2.4k at may bawas pa daw

[frenchtower]

Detailing homies, I found this video about PC 7424XP.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XAqpOe9Zt4&feature=related"]YouTube - How Safe is the PC 7424XP - Part 1[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7A5BCCb7Gg&feature=related"]YouTube - How Safe is the PC 7424XP - Part 2[/ame]

[frenchtower]

Side-by-side comparison between PC 7424 (old version) and Flex 3401 VRG

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yht1uHJLNlQ&feature=related"]YouTube - Flex XC 3401 VRG vs. Porter Cable 7424[/ame]

[frenchtower]

Sound level comparison between Flex and Makita

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chnpMGnSxPY&feature=related"]YouTube - Flex vs. Makita[/ame]

[Hardinero]

Try using yung applicator ng microtex yung violet na foam block so you can use the palm of your hand and not your fingers

ah parang nakita ko nga ito paps...sige nga ma-try nga ito...

master adviced me na mag go for the PC than the unano...but thinking na FLEX na lang kaya....FLEX me plus sa skills ko agad ...eh zero pa naman yun HAHAHAH!! pero better wait for IDOL BIGTYM MATT.....onte na lang dec na....at bebenta na niya PC niya...hehehehhe!!

hahaha...it seems nga na talagang dec pa ako makakabili if ever saka observ observ muna....

though maganda yung video pinost ni paps frenchtower

*frenchtower nice find paps...

i'm not really a fan of double waxing (siguro ignorance na rin) puro last step lang ako o stand alone waxing....i've been a reader of this thread (the old one pa) pero i don't know if na-0verlooked ko lang yung topic pero hindi ako na-move with regards to layering or double waxing...

pero this time eh move na move talaga akong mag-double waxing and nakaka-virus magbasa sa thread na ito....

kaya may tanong ako ulit..hehe...wala kasi akong carnauba wax as of the moment...

carnauba cleaner wax + reflections top coat ... ok lang ba?

hindi na muna kasi ako mag-sealant today kasi napagod ako mag-detail ng salamin....kaya mag WOWO wax lang muna ako....

[watusi]

AG is selling 3 affordable ROPs. In terms of durability, ease of use, price, newbie-friendliness, defect removal, and after-market accessories like pads, Which is the best among the 3?

[SIZE="4"]Griot's Garage 6 inch Random Orbital Polisher[/SIZE] ($130. OPM is 2,500 - 6,800opm. Maintains rotation even when pressure is applied)is this newbie-friendly? can this accept lake country pads?



[SIZE="4"]Meguiars G110v2[/SIZE] ($149. weighs 5.5lbs and OPM is 1800 - 6800opm. Maintains rotationeven when pressure is applied)is this newbie-friendly? can this accept lake country pads?



[SIZE="4"]Porter Cable 7424XP Dual Action Polisher[/SIZE] ($124, weighs 5.75lbs and OPM is 2500 - 6800opm. stops rotation when pressure is applied) this is very popular among the detailers here


Which is recommended for a newbie who'd like to take up detailing as a serious (but fun) hobby

[jmpet626]

Lahat yan pwedeng kabitan ng Velcro Buffing pads. Mas maraming ang rerecommend ng Portercable for newbies. Yung portercable hiwalay pa yung backing plate niya while yung Griots at Megs meron ng kasmang backing plate.

[madkatz]

if you ask me the last choice among the 3 would be the Megs G110 V2, i've seen and heard lots of bad reviews about it being like a Pc 7424 the old version

i would recommend Griots and PC, i would recommend Griots if you are planning on correcting the car frequently and the PC if you value your eardrums basically the main different would be

Griots uses a D handle which is more comfortable for long term polishing

PC vibrates and produces less noise which is a relief for the eardrums

so i guess it would be a matter of preference

Also the Griots has about 10% more power over the PC 7424xp as some people say but it comes at the price of vibrating and being a lot noisier than the PC 7424XP