Detailing Thread [For Newbies][continued]

[madkatz]

Guys do I need an IPA wipedown after ko mag Megs Deep Crystal System Paint Cleaner before ako mag NanoGlos/915? Thanks.

If its Nano Glos and 915 then you don't need to do an IPA wipe, IPA wipes are usually recommended when putting on sealants since they are a lot more sensitive when it comes to the cleanliness of the surface, they really stick and bond better on really clean surfaces unlike waxes that can still bond nicely even with some polish oils left, but of course the best practice is to really do the IPA wipe but if you're pressed for time it won't hurt to skip this step

[scharnhorst]

Hmm well there is but its not worth it anymore, if its a little dirty with grime as long as its grime and road film its ok, meaning if its something like an oil film then just leave it be, as long as there are no other grits that you can see and feel you should be safe, you see its really really hard to remove road grime, imagine, that would be like removing an invisible layer of tar or grease from your paint, so im quite sure no shampoo would be that strong to remove those except for decontamination systems which are also expensive, if i were you i would just leave it and don't bother with it, apply the wax, some waxes have solvents in them that might remove them in the process thats why your applicator pads turn black after some time, its not because you didn't wash your car properly its because it had road grime, and then lets say just wait for the quarterly or bi-annual pre-wax cleaning step, its a good practice to use cleaner waxes every other month and cleaner sealants quarterly and if you're layering multiple layers then you could also delay it to bi-annually

The active effort to remove road grime and these road films every time you accumulate them is honestly a bit pointless for me, even for us who detail cars, we don't usually bother that much with our cars with road grime, why? because you could get a thick layer of road grime even if it doesn't rain. If its rains however the water helps to act as a medium from the road and smoke to the paint thats why raining can really increase the amount of road grime on the paint, but even if its not raining, try following a bus for some time, or try to travel through Edsa for 4 hours, you should already collect enough road grime turn your applicator pad grey thats why we usually don't bother with it anymore just as long as its not gritty

Thanks for the extensive response, ma'am!

so it's okay to keep using the dirtied parts of the applicator without fear of scratching the paint?

[madkatz]

guys share ko lang yung observation ko.. ask ko na din kung ganto yung nangyayari sa paint ninyo..

HOOD no protection at all paint lang talaga.. pag binasa nag wawater sheeting siya pero super bagal bago maubos minsan natitira pa na naka sheet sa paint hindi dumudulas, parang pagong kung dumulas parang no movement talaga..

nag apply ako ng 1 layer KSG .. gumanda yung water sheeting niya para na siyang aso tumakbo pa baba ng hood (yung water) nag sheet padin at madulas na maganda result (2days old na yung 1 layer)

sa right side ng hood ko naman ay 2layers ng KSG (7days old) mas maganda yung result kasi hindi siya nag wawater sheet.. pag buhos mo ng tubig sa hood dulas agad yung tubig no sheeting.. linya linya yung na foform..

so madali pala malaman if nauubos na yung layer ng sealant.. pag makapal pa layer dulas agad.. pag mejo manipis na sheeting pero madulas.. pag no layer na water sheeting at hindi na halos dumudulas..

ganto rin ba sa inyo?

*para alam na natin kung pano malalaman if may layer pa ng sealant o wala na.. para hindi ma clay agad hehe

Well if you put it that way then its really easy to define when a sealant is almost gone or not, but have you ever saw some poor car thats badly maintained and its raining and its also sheeting in some parts? the sheeting isn't caused by wax in most cases its caused by road film hahaha so you also have to factor that in the equation

The point where it sheets less means hydrophilic which means "loves water" so water sticks to the paint longer because there are no or less hydrophobic factors to repel water at a faster rate, now you might be surprised that some sealant actually doesn't bead and they actually sheet water very very slow but you would be surprised that they would really dry the car without marks, another thing is that water sheeting is just a small part of sealants, some sealants don't have any effect at all with water but they can really stand against acid etchings, some sealants add a layer of scratch resistant ultra slick coating, sealants cover a wide variety of purposes and effects so to test sealants with water sheeting is just like testing a small portion of sealants abilities

[Chikselog]

Doc tanong mo kay sir Ed kung gaano karumi yung pad nya nung ginamitan namin SwirlX yung Vios. Di ko rin inakala na ganun karumi yun kasi kapag nagwawax ako wala namang dumi applicator ko. Very minimal lang.

Grabe pala ang road grime/film.

[madkatz]

guys and gurus, ano po yung mga spray type sealant na meron nabibili sa pinas? sana may sonus spray sealant dito sa pinas hehe..

eto sana balak ko gawing LSP para tumagal yung wax na ilalagay ko.. bali 3layers of LLS then pure carnauba wax then sealed again using spray sealant..

there are some good spray sealants out there, Opti-seal, Ultimate Paint Sealant, Ultima Paint Guard Plus, Jeff werkstat Acrylic Jett Trigger and a whole lot more

But when you mentioned how you wanted to use it, its gonna quite pointless to put it on top of a wax because it won't stick because of the wax, BTW i don't like Sonus products that much they dont have that much durability

don't turn car detailing into rocket science ok, i know i might sound the part but hey if your car needs protection then wax it, don't beat around the bush, just do what needs to be done and no shortcuts, its either you're 100% into detailing or not, so if you are into detailing then do what has to be done, wash apply wax, don't over think it, enjoy it!

[Nik]

Well if you put it that way then its really easy to define when a sealant is almost gone or not, but have you ever saw some poor car thats badly maintained and its raining and its also sheeting in some parts? the sheeting isn't caused by wax in most cases its caused by road film hahaha so you also have to factor that in the equation

The point where it sheets less means hydrophilic which means "loves water" so water sticks to the paint longer because there are no or less hydrophobic factors to repel water at a faster rate, now you might be surprised that some sealant actually doesn't bead and they actually sheet water very very slow but you would be surprised that they would really dry the car without marks, another thing is that water sheeting is just a small part of sealants, some sealants don't have any effect at all with water but they can really stand against acid etchings, some sealants add a layer of scratch resistant ultra slick coating, sealants cover a wide variety of purposes and effects so to test sealants with water sheeting is just like testing a small portion of sealants abilities

ahh iba iba pala ang nagagawa ng sealant.. so hindi parin magandang basis to.. siguro gagawin ko nalang tong test na to para sa carlack68 LLS .. kasi nag rerepel siya ng water.. kaya siguro halata ko yung difference.. antayin ko nalang kelan tatagal yung no IPA wipe before LLS after noon tapusin ko na tong ginagawa ko hehe.. thanks mam madkatz

[madkatz]

patanong lang po...

ginagamit ko kasing wax is turtle wax (cleaner wax) makintab naman sya pero gusto ko mas makintab pa. may effect po ba kung after apply ng cleaner wax e mag apply pa ko ng carnauba wax or halos walang difference na sa kintab yun?baka kasi masayang lang pagod ko...

if mas kikintab pa, ano kaya ok na carnauba wax?yung mothers (step 3) or turtle wax nalang din?or may masuggest kayong iba?

Actually most OTC waxes can give a decent and some even great shine, its just that most OTC waxes lack durability, but don't blame them its just that the Philippines is really polluted to the point its becoming very demanding to maintain cars, most OTC waxes can produce a decent shine if the paint is also in decent condition, actually even if you don't wax the car but the paint is in great condition it will still look nice, BUT, if your car is in terrible condition or has acquired a thick layer of road film, contaminants, tars and stains then using a cleaner wax would definitely improve the clarity of the paint improving gloss, adding depth and ultimately a better shine, so i guess to answer your question, it would depend on the condition of your paint, if its great already then just stick to pure wax, if it needs some cleaning and mild polishing then go for the cleaner wax.

Both Moms Step 3 and TW Platinum are good in terms of shine if you ask me, its just that the shine goes away after one or two washes

[madkatz]

Optimum Opti-Seal meron ata si Master ED. Or Optimum Car wax para mas mura

Opti-seal coming this december with OPT new items

car wax is already available.

[Nik]

there are some good spray sealants out there, Opti-seal, Ultimate Paint Sealant, Ultima Paint Guard Plus, Jeff werkstat Acrylic Jett Trigger and a whole lot more

But when you mentioned how you wanted to use it, its gonna quite pointless to put it on top of a wax because it won't stick because of the wax, BTW i don't like Sonus products that much they dont have that much durability

don't turn car detailing into rocket science ok, i know i might sound the part but hey if your car needs protection then wax it, don't beat around the bush, just do what needs to be done and no shortcuts, its either you're 100% into detailing or not, so if you are into detailing then do what has to be done, wash apply wax, don't over think it, enjoy it!

sensya na po mam... sa ngayon po kasi nag eenjoy ako sa mga effects ng mga products na first time ko lang magamit saka gusto ko rin po malaman gano sila tatagal in different situations.. after ko malaman lahat then balik sa normal washing + wax.. stick nalang po ako sa sealant + wax. thanks again mam. pasensya na po hehe kulit kasi ng utak ko madaming tanong

[madkatz]

saan at paano makontack si master ed, magkano kaya ito,

pm me your contact details and i'll send it to him

[madkatz]

the spray sealant wont adhere to the paint due to the oil in the waxes right? pls correct me if i am wrong It should be LLS, then spray sealant, then carnauba

this is correct in most way but basically yeah, spray sealant are the best when used on top of sealants, it can improve protection if on top of wax but not as much compared if on top of sealants

[madkatz]

yung optimum car wax ba is under sealant category? confused sa name niya haha

its more on the sealant category and BTW if you ask me its not on the spray wax category, i would classify it under the wax category because it lasts just as long as most OTC waxes if not longer, IMO spray waxes are mostly boosters and this is no booster once used as a stand alone product but still one of the best boosters i've used

[madkatz]

Meron din bago spray sealant yung Meguiars. Baka meron na din sa Megs Kamias

http://www.autogeek.net/meguiars-xpress-spray-wax.html

yup, i have my eyes on this one, its supposed to be a cheaper and a little lower version of UQW

[madkatz]

sensya na po mam... sa ngayon po kasi nag eenjoy ako sa mga effects ng mga products na first time ko lang magamit saka gusto ko rin po malaman gano sila tatagal in different situations.. after ko malaman lahat then balik sa normal washing + wax.. stick nalang po ako sa sealant + wax. thanks again mam. pasensya na po hehe kulit kasi ng utak ko madaming tanong

its ok, but if you really want to test products don't do it with multiple layers, my suggestion would be to gather all the products you want to test and divide your hood into 4 or more parts and then conduct the test on the different panels of the hood, remember only 1 coat of each product to fully check their effects, and then from there just observe and share what you learn

[madkatz]

Thanks for the extensive response, ma'am!

so it's okay to keep using the dirtied parts of the applicator without fear of scratching the paint?

Well if it gives you a better peace of mind then just change pads just to be on the safe side, anyways i believe you guys are fond of Micro Magic Applicator pads right? its cheap at 88 pesos

[Nik]

its ok, but if you really want to test products don't do it with multiple layers, my suggestion would be to gather all the products you want to test and divide your hood into 4 or more parts and then conduct the test on the different panels of the hood, remember only 1 coat of each product to fully check their effects, and then from there just observe and share what you learn

ayun thanks mam.. ulitin ko nalang po ulit. mali pala yung ni layer ko hehe..

[frenchtower]

Hmmm I don't know if its available there but Dynabrade works great, i saw our mentor use it its very light and strong although of course that comes with a price

Another thing you can consider is Flex3401 VRG its slightly better than a PC

PC comes in next and Griots come in last this is for the DA category

For the Rotary i haven't seen the popular brands at work like Dynabrade only saw the DA but for me Makita 9227c is one of the best when it comes to dealing with noise problems forget about the De-walt and BnD polisher, Festool and Flex also makes great rotary polishers but i would put them in the same category as 9227c in terms of noise

Thanks madkatz. Yup, all that you mentioned is available here. Dynabrade is about $300++. Flex is also very good. I'm sure you'll like this link. Detailing a Gallardo using Flex
http://www.luxury4play.com/detailing...-detailer.html

I might pass by Sears to see how Dynabrade would fare in the noise department. Thanks again for your help

[madkatz]

Thanks madkatz. Yup, all that you mentioned is available here. Dynabrade is about $300++. Flex is also very good. I'm sure you'll like this link. Detailing a Gallardo using Flex
http://www.luxury4play.com/detailing...-detailer.html

I might pass by Sears to see how Dynabrade would fare in the noise department. Thanks again for your help

wow thats cheap for a Dynabrade is its just 300+$

keep me posted with your observations

also if you're in california it would be a great idea to drop by Meguiars Open Garage, i hear they give out free detailing seminars there even up to machine polishing

[madkatz]

http://www.detailingbliss.com/forum/...finity-g35.htm

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check out the others at

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[rico_g]

http://www.detailingbliss.com/forum/...finity-g35.htm

http://www.detailingbliss.com/forum/...ck-2007-mb.htm

http://www.detailingbliss.com/forum/...02-porsche.htm

check out the others at

http://www.detailingbliss.com/forum/show-shine/

These pics makes me feel like a neigborhood car wash boy...

I like the swisvaxed orange lamborghini on the last link... never imagined orange can shine like that.