Detailing Thread [For Newbies][continued]

[indiej]

now, what's the slowest rotating, highest torqued rotary buffer?

[weszt]

Ok there's a lot of things you have to take into consideration before you move to a higher setting with that machine and before you go to using UC

firstly that machine runs way way more orbits than a PC, a PC can only go up to around 6k+ OPM's and that machine can go way up to 18kOPMS so i really don't advice you to go any higher than 3.5, at most 4 would be the maximum setting, at setting 4 you're already doing twice more OPM's than the PC at speed 6 which is a little scary, thats the main reason why we had the motor changed with ours, its because OPM's are good for buffing the paint to a high gloss but not really correcting, if you want to correct the paint you really need the slow rotation of the machine in order to slowly and finely abrade the finish, so without rotation all you're doing is buffing the paint to a high gloss, i mean if we could already get the right correction with the stock machine why would we change the motor? we had to change the motor to a motor that has half the OPM's but twice the torque at maximum setting before we got the same correction as a PC at setting 5

next since i've mentioned that you need the rotation in order to correct paint, my next question would be, while you are buffing the paint is the backing plate or pad rotating at about at least 1 rotation per second? if the pad and backing plate is not rotating then you need to lighten up the pressure, correcting paint with a ROP requires pressure to level the paint but you also have to put pressure to do that effectively and 1 rotation per second is the ideal rotation of a ROP, so you might have to adjust the pressure you are putting on the machine

next is method, and this mainly involves keeping the pad flat nearly all the time, and method also includes how to buff edges and working the product properly, there's a certain work time you need with swirlX, and if you're good enough swirlX won't really dry up fast giving you more correcting ability

lastly is pad and product combination as what jmpet said, if you're using swirlX with a white pad, try it again with an orange pad, if its still there try it again with a yellow pad, but since its swirlX i would say you're better with a yellow pad, swirlX can only remove the lightest swirls so you need a stronger and more abrasive pad to tackle light swirls

after taking into consideration all of these, thats the only time i would recommend you use UC, UC with a yellow pad on a PC can already tackle some heavy to moderate defects but again thats with a PC, take note your ROP currently has just about half of PC's correcting ability due to lack or torque, it is however better than a PC in terms of applying sealants and glazes

i remember my BF tell me that a few weeks ago matt came to his place and he taught matt how to use the PC, they only used megs83 and a yellow pad at speed 4 on the PC to remove moderate defects, megs83 is nearly the same as swirlx so in that scenario you really might need to change to a yellow cutting pad or even a purple foam wool pad and then just follow it up with the white for finishing

*madkatz

1. when i put pressure on the ROP the rotation decreases that's why i try at speed 3, but when i apply light pressure i think it can rotate 1 rotation/secs . how many passes of ROP should i do for the swirlx?
so i can use aggressive pad w/ swirlx with light pressure at max setting of 4?

2. yes i always keep my LC white pads flat all the time. (ordinary pads not the ccs) i also remove some of the light swirls, but some of the swirls is still there. its not rids. i have 2 white pads, 1 blue, and 1 orange.

3. can i use UC with white pads? at maximum speed of 4? how many passes?

4. what do you recommend to remove light scratches that cannot remove by swirlx ? its not that deep. can i use the rubbing compound by hand? or just use UC with white pads on it?

5. whats the best water mark remover on the winshield, windows? and best sealants for glasses as well? any best procedure and products that works best?

6. whats the best protectant for black plastics and rubbers? i want endurance and looks new again....

ill upload my 1st detailing..

[weszt]

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M21 beading




NXT GEN 2.0 beading.

gusto ko pa po mas makintab pa...hehe any suggestions

[PSI]

try using 915 then after an hour or so, OGE.....since silver yan...hehehehe! sowi iba pa rin kintab ng BLACK/ RED etc.... pero syempre kikintab din yan oto mo.....

[jmpet626]

*weszt

Iba iba ang characteristics ng bawat type ng paints from different manufacturers kaya mahirap malaman kung ilang passess at kung anong pad/polish combo ang kailagan sa paint mo.

Mas magandang gumawa ka muna ng test spot and dun mo try yung different pads and polish combo. Pag ok yung result sa test spot the yun na yung i apply mo sa buong car

[weszt]

try using 915 then after an hour or so, OGE.....since silver yan...hehehehe! sowi iba pa rin kintab ng BLACK/ RED etc.... pero syempre kikintab din yan oto mo.....

*PSI

how much yung 915? and OGE? oo nga po iba pa din ang kintab ng black at red pinaka ok ang kintab

pero try ko pa din improve yung kintab kulang kasi ako sa oras 5 hrs lang namen dinetail ng mga kapatid ko. bitin kasi po sa oras kasi balik agad sg.

yung ag srp hand application , ung m21 hand din yung sealant hand din tpos yung nxt gen hand din.. next time lahat gagamitin ko ROP...hehe

[weszt]

*weszt

Iba iba ang characteristics ng bawat type ng paints from different manufacturers kaya mahirap malaman kung ilang passess at kung anong pad/polish combo ang kailagan sa paint mo.

Mas magandang gumawa ka muna ng test spot and dun mo try yung different pads and polish combo. Pag ok yung result sa test spot the yun na yung i apply mo sa buong car

*jmpet626

hindi na po ako nakapagspot test. k92 daw po yung clearcoat ng oto na yan. bitin na bitin na po kasi kami sa oras kasi nag start kmi 11pm natapos kami 4am na. kung madami lang ako oras yari yan sa akin...

4 days lang kasi vacation ko jan...

next time talaga spot test muna...

[kafph2000]

hindi na po ako nakapagspot test. k92 daw po yung clearcoat ng oto na yan. bitin na bitin na po kasi kami sa oras kasi nag start kmi 11pm natapos kami 4am na. kung madami lang ako oras yari yan sa akin...

pasingit lang bro. Midnight kayo bumanat? hehehe ma-try nga rin iwas pawis hahaha

[weszt]

pasingit lang bro. Midnight kayo bumanat? hehehe ma-try nga rin iwas pawis hahaha

*kafph2000

oo bro midnight up to 4am. kakapagod pa din at pawis pa din ako. take note hindi naman maaraw nung hapon exercise na din. bumanat kami nung friday night tapos wala din akong tulog nung thursday night kasi flight ko yun kaya ayan kinalabasan hilo at sakit ng katawan...

try mo tingin ko mas malamig nga sya... diligan mo paligid mo para lumamig lalo..

[madkatz]

now, what's the slowest rotating, highest torqued rotary buffer?

ROP is not a rotary buffer, its Random Orbit Polisher

[madkatz]

1. when i put pressure on the ROP the rotation decreases that's why i try at speed 3, but when i apply light pressure i think it can rotate 1 rotation/secs . how many passes of ROP should i do for the swirlx?
so i can use aggressive pad w/ swirlx with light pressure at max setting of 4?

the best going rotation per second with pressure would be 2 secs per minute, if you apply pressure and its stops your minimum would be 1 rotation per second. so you have to try and play with the pressure on the machine, and at best get 2 rotations per second, and then you also move it slowly around about 1 to 2 inches per second.

for swirlX its usually 6 passes moderate pressure, 6 again with light pressure and you work the polish until its spent to the point it becomes clear with very light pressure, at this point its ok to have the buffer rotate faster since its the finishing stages.

yes you can use swirlX with light up to moderate pressure at speeds 4, but again white pads are very light in correction so since you have the orange pad you might want to try that instead, again 6 passes moderate about ideal 2 rotations per second, 6 passes again light pressure and a little lighter until the polish is spent, and even with the orange pad you could go up to setting 4 but no more than that

2. yes i always keep my LC white pads flat all the time. (ordinary pads not the ccs) i also remove some of the light swirls, but some of the swirls is still there. its not rids. i have 2 white pads, 1 blue, and 1 orange.

try the orange pad instead or even yellow, the swirls might be deeper if you managed to remove some of the swirls, these might be deep swirl marks already

3. can i use UC with white pads? at maximum speed of 4? how many passes?

yes you can use UC with a white pad but its sort of not really the best pad for UC, UC works best with purple, yellow and orange pads, with UC its also the same style, to sum it up you just have to apply the most pressure you can and maintain rotation and then slowly with more passes slowly lighten the pressure until you spend the polish

4. what do you recommend to remove light scratches that cannot remove by swirlx ? its not that deep. can i use the rubbing compound by hand? or just use UC with white pads on it?

try UC by hand and slowly massage it

5. whats the best water mark remover on the winshield, windows? and best sealants for glasses as well? any best procedure and products that works best?

i use a lot of products hmmm try elevo, or markV splash is also great but its in gallons, the best sealant i've used are diamondite and carlack glass sealant

6. whats the best protectant for black plastics and rubbers? i want endurance and looks new again....

try megs ultimate protectant or ultimate trim restorer, or you could try what we use, Microtex Tireblack hahaha

[weszt]

1. when i put pressure on the ROP the rotation decreases that's why i try at speed 3, but when i apply light pressure i think it can rotate 1 rotation/secs . how many passes of ROP should i do for the swirlx?
so i can use aggressive pad w/ swirlx with light pressure at max setting of 4?

the best going rotation per second with pressure would be 2 secs per minute, if you apply pressure and its stops your minimum would be 1 rotation per second. so you have to try and play with the pressure on the machine, and at best get 2 rotations per second, and then you also move it slowly around about 1 to 2 inches per second.

for swirlX its usually 6 passes moderate pressure, 6 again with light pressure and you work the polish until its spent to the point it becomes clear with very light pressure, at this point its ok to have the buffer rotate faster since its the finishing stages.

yes you can use swirlX with light up to moderate pressure at speeds 4, but again white pads are very light in correction so since you have the orange pad you might want to try that instead, again 6 passes moderate about ideal 2 rotations per second, 6 passes again light pressure and a little lighter until the polish is spent, and even with the orange pad you could go up to setting 4 but no more than that

2. yes i always keep my LC white pads flat all the time. (ordinary pads not the ccs) i also remove some of the light swirls, but some of the swirls is still there. its not rids. i have 2 white pads, 1 blue, and 1 orange.

try the orange pad instead or even yellow, the swirls might be deeper if you managed to remove some of the swirls, these might be deep swirl marks already

3. can i use UC with white pads? at maximum speed of 4? how many passes?

yes you can use UC with a white pad but its sort of not really the best pad for UC, UC works best with purple, yellow and orange pads, with UC its also the same style, to sum it up you just have to apply the most pressure you can and maintain rotation and then slowly with more passes slowly lighten the pressure until you spend the polish

4. what do you recommend to remove light scratches that cannot remove by swirlx ? its not that deep. can i use the rubbing compound by hand? or just use UC with white pads on it?

try UC by hand and slowly massage it

5. whats the best water mark remover on the winshield, windows? and best sealants for glasses as well? any best procedure and products that works best?

i use a lot of products hmmm try elevo, or markV splash is also great but its in gallons, the best sealant i've used are diamondite and carlack glass sealant

6. whats the best protectant for black plastics and rubbers? i want endurance and looks new again....

try megs ultimate protectant or ultimate trim restorer, or you could try what we use, Microtex Tireblack hahaha

microtex tireblack can be use on trims? hmmm mas mura pa.... how much... basta durable and looks new then economical pa...hahaha

elevo sana meron dito sa sg... ska ung carlack and diamondite.


wow thats why i did'nt remove swirls because mga 4-3 passes lang po ginawa ko...mali....


mas prefer nyo ba AG SRP/m21/next gen 2.0 by ROP? i only use hand application maybe if ROP mas makintab...

AG SRP how many passes?

thanks for the replies

[madkatz]

microtex tireblack can be use on trims? hmmm mas mura pa.... how much... basta durable and looks new then economical pa...hahaha

elevo sana meron dito sa sg... ska ung carlack and diamondite.


wow thats why i did'nt remove swirls because mga 4-3 passes lang po ginawa ko...mali....


mas prefer nyo ba AG SRP/m21/next gen 2.0 by ROP? i only use hand application maybe if ROP mas makintab...

AG SRP how many passes?

thanks for the replies

I don't know if Elevo's available there in SG but im sure its available here, someone told me Elevo is a local brand for some retail company, im just not sure on that information

Yep so far so good with Microtex Tireblack

Haha for swirls and correction you really have to work the polish for a long time and for me and in most cases thats at least 12 passes hehe, with finishing polishes i could even go for more than 20 passes just to work them properly and produce a hologram free finish

as for those products, since they're a bit expensive i would suggest you just apply them by hand you kinda save more with hand application and the difference with machine application doesn't vary that much

SG SRP at most 2 passes only

[rico_g]

where can I get Elevo watermark remover? wala pala sa blade ung brand na un...

also... i tried galss scrub and rain clear.... astig sa beadin... no need for wipers at nigh... pag day time mejo need kc the ligh tends to distor the view...

anyway once I get elevo, is it ok to apply that even if i still have rain clear on my car?

lastly... grabe streaking ng rain clear, it took me real effrot just to clear em, ok lang kaya gumamit ng ROP (kp600 lang)) sa winshield? thinking of using my wool pad... wala pa kasi ibang gamit un...

[indiej]

ROP is not a rotary buffer, its Random Orbit Polisher

got DA, looking for best rotary. best priced as well.

[mf051404]

where can I get Elevo watermark remover? wala pala sa blade ung brand na un...

also... i tried galss scrub and rain clear.... astig sa beadin... no need for wipers at nigh... pag day time mejo need kc the ligh tends to distor the view...

anyway once I get elevo, is it ok to apply that even if i still have rain clear on my car?

lastly... grabe streaking ng rain clear, it took me real effrot just to clear em, ok lang kaya gumamit ng ROP (kp600 lang)) sa winshield? thinking of using my wool pad... wala pa kasi ibang gamit un...

Sa handyman ako nakabili Elevo Watermark remover...so sa mga robinsons malls sya matatagpuan...

[kafph2000]

Sa handyman ako nakabili Elevo Watermark remover...so sa mga robinsons malls sya matatagpuan...

korek! Sa lahat ng handyman meron tong elevo! mga 250 ata yun

[madkatz]

where can I get Elevo watermark remover? wala pala sa blade ung brand na un...

also... i tried galss scrub and rain clear.... astig sa beadin... no need for wipers at nigh... pag day time mejo need kc the ligh tends to distor the view...

anyway once I get elevo, is it ok to apply that even if i still have rain clear on my car?

lastly... grabe streaking ng rain clear, it took me real effrot just to clear em, ok lang kaya gumamit ng ROP (kp600 lang)) sa winshield? thinking of using my wool pad... wala pa kasi ibang gamit un...

as they've said nearly all handyman outlets have them, some Ace Hardwares also carry Elevo brands but not all so your best bet is handyman

As for driving at night, i agree no need for wipers but i hate it when i pass by an orange lamp post, the kinds that reveals all your swirls, all your beads on the glass turns orange, i dunno why but it doesn't seem to be the same with white and yellow lights, the beads are still clear except for orange lights

the tip to applying rain clear is to apply it really REALLY thin, that why me and my BF apply it using our hand and just spread it like massaging the window, we only use about 2 to 3 drop sizes on a whole windshield, this way its a lot easier to remove them, what some people use it newspaper its good at absorbing the gel and then just follow it up with a paper towel, this method of removal should make things really easy, you could also use a dedicated MF towel, removal using one side, removal of streak on the other side.

as for the wool that comes with ko600, its pretty much the same with most wool pads which is basically just for compounding, its not really meant for polishing and spreading anything, so i would suggest you don't use the wool pad on the windshield, wool pads tend to be really rough, so if you have a compounding job then thats the best pad for you to use but other than that its practically just gonna sit in the box like mine.

[madkatz]

got DA, looking for best rotary. best priced as well.

for me the best rotary is Makita 9227c its lighter and a lot less noisy than the BnD, it costs around 10.5k to 11k but its well worth it, BnD on the other hand goes up to 4.3k if its with the backing plate, this is the best value by far, don't settle for cheaper brands, i used a JAC and it busted out on my in less than 6 months and just about the time the warranty expires, BnD offers 2 years warranty if you are sensitive about those things, Makita 9227c on the other hand offers lifetime service warranty but none on parts, but there's a reason why nearly every professional detailer and dealerships opt for the Makita, basically they last a long long time, by friends Makita lasted for 9 years of daily use, he only had to replace the carbon brush twice which costs less than 300 for both instances

[jed_015]

as they've said nearly all handyman outlets have them, some Ace Hardwares also carry Elevo brands but not all so your best bet is handyman

As for driving at night, i agree no need for wipers but i hate it when i pass by an orange lamp post, the kinds that reveals all your swirls, all your beads on the glass turns orange, i dunno why but it doesn't seem to be the same with white and yellow lights, the beads are still clear except for orange lights

the tip to applying rain clear is to apply it really REALLY thin, that why me and my BF apply it using our hand and just spread it like massaging the window, we only use about 2 to 3 drop sizes on a whole windshield, this way its a lot easier to remove them, what some people use it newspaper its good at absorbing the gel and then just follow it up with a paper towel, this method of removal should make things really easy, you could also use a dedicated MF towel, removal using one side, removal of streak on the other side.

as for the wool that comes with ko600, its pretty much the same with most wool pads which is basically just for compounding, its not really meant for polishing and spreading anything, so i would suggest you don't use the wool pad on the windshield, wool pads tend to be really rough, so if you have a compounding job then thats the best pad for you to use but other than that its practically just gonna sit in the box like mine.

Thanks madkatz sa tips in applying rain clear gel,tinatamad akong lagyan yung windshield ko kasi nga ang hirap tanggalin..yung pagjujudder ng wiper ko dahilan ba yun ng rain clear gel??last na nagapply kasi ako mid 2009 pa pero hanggang ngayon maganda pa yung repel ng water..kaya lang nagjujuder yung wiper ko..