Detailing Thread [For Newbies][continued]

[jmpet626]

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[weszt]

*madkatz

hi just finished my 1st detailing....

questions ko po.

hindi ko po totally natanggal yung mga swirls. kasi swirlx lang ginamit ko using bosch ROP, natatakot ako gamitin yung UC eh? and ok lang po ba gamitin ang swirlx on 4-5 setting sa Bosch ROP? nag try ako ng 3 pero hindi ko pa din matanggal yung ibang swirls eh

what do you recommend? mag UC na po ako using LC white pads para matanggal na mga swirls? can i safely use higher speed on my ROP? both sa swirl x and UC. ilang speeds po ang max na pwede ko gamitin?

[jmpet626]

Safe yan since Random Orbit polisher naman gamit mo and lesser wattage siya. Pag di kinaya sa Swirl X change to a more agressive pad and polish combo.

[madkatz]

*madkatz

hi just finished my 1st detailing....

questions ko po.

hindi ko po totally natanggal yung mga swirls. kasi swirlx lang ginamit ko using bosch ROP, natatakot ako gamitin yung UC eh? and ok lang po ba gamitin ang swirlx on 4-5 setting sa Bosch ROP? nag try ako ng 3 pero hindi ko pa din matanggal yung ibang swirls eh

what do you recommend? mag UC na po ako using LC white pads para matanggal na mga swirls? can i safely use higher speed on my ROP? both sa swirl x and UC. ilang speeds po ang max na pwede ko gamitin?

Ok there's a lot of things you have to take into consideration before you move to a higher setting with that machine and before you go to using UC

firstly that machine runs way way more orbits than a PC, a PC can only go up to around 6k+ OPM's and that machine can go way up to 18kOPMS so i really don't advice you to go any higher than 3.5, at most 4 would be the maximum setting, at setting 4 you're already doing twice more OPM's than the PC at speed 6 which is a little scary, thats the main reason why we had the motor changed with ours, its because OPM's are good for buffing the paint to a high gloss but not really correcting, if you want to correct the paint you really need the slow rotation of the machine in order to slowly and finely abrade the finish, so without rotation all you're doing is buffing the paint to a high gloss, i mean if we could already get the right correction with the stock machine why would we change the motor? we had to change the motor to a motor that has half the OPM's but twice the torque at maximum setting before we got the same correction as a PC at setting 5

next since i've mentioned that you need the rotation in order to correct paint, my next question would be, while you are buffing the paint is the backing plate or pad rotating at about at least 1 rotation per second? if the pad and backing plate is not rotating then you need to lighten up the pressure, correcting paint with a ROP requires pressure to level the paint but you also have to put pressure to do that effectively and 1 rotation per second is the ideal rotation of a ROP, so you might have to adjust the pressure you are putting on the machine

next is method, and this mainly involves keeping the pad flat nearly all the time, and method also includes how to buff edges and working the product properly, there's a certain work time you need with swirlX, and if you're good enough swirlX won't really dry up fast giving you more correcting ability

lastly is pad and product combination as what jmpet said, if you're using swirlX with a white pad, try it again with an orange pad, if its still there try it again with a yellow pad, but since its swirlX i would say you're better with a yellow pad, swirlX can only remove the lightest swirls so you need a stronger and more abrasive pad to tackle light swirls

after taking into consideration all of these, thats the only time i would recommend you use UC, UC with a yellow pad on a PC can already tackle some heavy to moderate defects but again thats with a PC, take note your ROP currently has just about half of PC's correcting ability due to lack or torque, it is however better than a PC in terms of applying sealants and glazes

i remember my BF tell me that a few weeks ago matt came to his place and he taught matt how to use the PC, they only used megs83 and a yellow pad at speed 4 on the PC to remove moderate defects, megs83 is nearly the same as swirlx so in that scenario you really might need to change to a yellow cutting pad or even a purple foam wool pad and then just follow it up with the white for finishing

[weszt]

Ok there's a lot of things you have to take into consideration before you move to a higher setting with that machine and before you go to using UC

firstly that machine runs way way more orbits than a PC, a PC can only go up to around 6k+ OPM's and that machine can go way up to 18kOPMS so i really don't advice you to go any higher than 3.5, at most 4 would be the maximum setting, at setting 4 you're already doing twice more OPM's than the PC at speed 6 which is a little scary, thats the main reason why we had the motor changed with ours, its because OPM's are good for buffing the paint to a high gloss but not really correcting, if you want to correct the paint you really need the slow rotation of the machine in order to slowly and finely abrade the finish, so without rotation all you're doing is buffing the paint to a high gloss, i mean if we could already get the right correction with the stock machine why would we change the motor? we had to change the motor to a motor that has half the OPM's but twice the torque at maximum setting before we got the same correction as a PC at setting 5

next since i've mentioned that you need the rotation in order to correct paint, my next question would be, while you are buffing the paint is the backing plate or pad rotating at about at least 1 rotation per second? if the pad and backing plate is not rotating then you need to lighten up the pressure, correcting paint with a ROP requires pressure to level the paint but you also have to put pressure to do that effectively and 1 rotation per second is the ideal rotation of a ROP, so you might have to adjust the pressure you are putting on the machine

next is method, and this mainly involves keeping the pad flat nearly all the time, and method also includes how to buff edges and working the product properly, there's a certain work time you need with swirlX, and if you're good enough swirlX won't really dry up fast giving you more correcting ability

lastly is pad and product combination as what jmpet said, if you're using swirlX with a white pad, try it again with an orange pad, if its still there try it again with a yellow pad, but since its swirlX i would say you're better with a yellow pad, swirlX can only remove the lightest swirls so you need a stronger and more abrasive pad to tackle light swirls

after taking into consideration all of these, thats the only time i would recommend you use UC, UC with a yellow pad on a PC can already tackle some heavy to moderate defects but again thats with a PC, take note your ROP currently has just about half of PC's correcting ability due to lack or torque, it is however better than a PC in terms of applying sealants and glazes

i remember my BF tell me that a few weeks ago matt came to his place and he taught matt how to use the PC, they only used megs83 and a yellow pad at speed 4 on the PC to remove moderate defects, megs83 is nearly the same as swirlx so in that scenario you really might need to change to a yellow cutting pad or even a purple foam wool pad and then just follow it up with the white for finishing

*madkatz

1. when i put pressure on the ROP the rotation decreases that's why i try at speed 3, but when i apply light pressure i think it can rotate 1 rotation/secs . how many passes of ROP should i do for the swirlx?
so i can use aggressive pad w/ swirlx with light pressure at max setting of 4?

2. yes i always keep my LC white pads flat all the time. (ordinary pads not the ccs) i also remove some of the light swirls, but some of the swirls is still there. its not rids. i have 2 white pads, 1 blue, and 1 orange.

3. can i use UC with white pads? at maximum speed of 4? how many passes?

4. what do you recommend to remove light scratches that cannot remove by swirlx ? its not that deep. can i use the rubbing compound by hand? or just use UC with white pads on it?

5. whats the best water mark remover on the winshield, windows? and best sealants for glasses as well? any best procedure and products that works best?

6. whats the best protectant for black plastics and rubbers? i want endurance and looks new again....

ill upload my 1st detailing..

[weszt]

eto na....
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M21 beading




NXT GEN 2.0 beading.

gusto ko pa po mas makintab pa...hehe any suggestions

[PSI]

try using 915 then after an hour or so, OGE.....since silver yan...hehehehe! sowi iba pa rin kintab ng BLACK/ RED etc.... pero syempre kikintab din yan oto mo.....

[jmpet626]

*weszt

Iba iba ang characteristics ng bawat type ng paints from different manufacturers kaya mahirap malaman kung ilang passess at kung anong pad/polish combo ang kailagan sa paint mo.

Mas magandang gumawa ka muna ng test spot and dun mo try yung different pads and polish combo. Pag ok yung result sa test spot the yun na yung i apply mo sa buong car

[weszt]

try using 915 then after an hour or so, OGE.....since silver yan...hehehehe! sowi iba pa rin kintab ng BLACK/ RED etc.... pero syempre kikintab din yan oto mo.....

*PSI

how much yung 915? and OGE? oo nga po iba pa din ang kintab ng black at red pinaka ok ang kintab

pero try ko pa din improve yung kintab kulang kasi ako sa oras 5 hrs lang namen dinetail ng mga kapatid ko. bitin kasi po sa oras kasi balik agad sg.

yung ag srp hand application , ung m21 hand din yung sealant hand din tpos yung nxt gen hand din.. next time lahat gagamitin ko ROP...hehe

[madkatz]

1. when i put pressure on the ROP the rotation decreases that's why i try at speed 3, but when i apply light pressure i think it can rotate 1 rotation/secs . how many passes of ROP should i do for the swirlx?
so i can use aggressive pad w/ swirlx with light pressure at max setting of 4?

the best going rotation per second with pressure would be 2 secs per minute, if you apply pressure and its stops your minimum would be 1 rotation per second. so you have to try and play with the pressure on the machine, and at best get 2 rotations per second, and then you also move it slowly around about 1 to 2 inches per second.

for swirlX its usually 6 passes moderate pressure, 6 again with light pressure and you work the polish until its spent to the point it becomes clear with very light pressure, at this point its ok to have the buffer rotate faster since its the finishing stages.

yes you can use swirlX with light up to moderate pressure at speeds 4, but again white pads are very light in correction so since you have the orange pad you might want to try that instead, again 6 passes moderate about ideal 2 rotations per second, 6 passes again light pressure and a little lighter until the polish is spent, and even with the orange pad you could go up to setting 4 but no more than that

2. yes i always keep my LC white pads flat all the time. (ordinary pads not the ccs) i also remove some of the light swirls, but some of the swirls is still there. its not rids. i have 2 white pads, 1 blue, and 1 orange.

try the orange pad instead or even yellow, the swirls might be deeper if you managed to remove some of the swirls, these might be deep swirl marks already

3. can i use UC with white pads? at maximum speed of 4? how many passes?

yes you can use UC with a white pad but its sort of not really the best pad for UC, UC works best with purple, yellow and orange pads, with UC its also the same style, to sum it up you just have to apply the most pressure you can and maintain rotation and then slowly with more passes slowly lighten the pressure until you spend the polish

4. what do you recommend to remove light scratches that cannot remove by swirlx ? its not that deep. can i use the rubbing compound by hand? or just use UC with white pads on it?

try UC by hand and slowly massage it

5. whats the best water mark remover on the winshield, windows? and best sealants for glasses as well? any best procedure and products that works best?

i use a lot of products hmmm try elevo, or markV splash is also great but its in gallons, the best sealant i've used are diamondite and carlack glass sealant

6. whats the best protectant for black plastics and rubbers? i want endurance and looks new again....

try megs ultimate protectant or ultimate trim restorer, or you could try what we use, Microtex Tireblack hahaha

[weszt]

1. when i put pressure on the ROP the rotation decreases that's why i try at speed 3, but when i apply light pressure i think it can rotate 1 rotation/secs . how many passes of ROP should i do for the swirlx?
so i can use aggressive pad w/ swirlx with light pressure at max setting of 4?

the best going rotation per second with pressure would be 2 secs per minute, if you apply pressure and its stops your minimum would be 1 rotation per second. so you have to try and play with the pressure on the machine, and at best get 2 rotations per second, and then you also move it slowly around about 1 to 2 inches per second.

for swirlX its usually 6 passes moderate pressure, 6 again with light pressure and you work the polish until its spent to the point it becomes clear with very light pressure, at this point its ok to have the buffer rotate faster since its the finishing stages.

yes you can use swirlX with light up to moderate pressure at speeds 4, but again white pads are very light in correction so since you have the orange pad you might want to try that instead, again 6 passes moderate about ideal 2 rotations per second, 6 passes again light pressure and a little lighter until the polish is spent, and even with the orange pad you could go up to setting 4 but no more than that

2. yes i always keep my LC white pads flat all the time. (ordinary pads not the ccs) i also remove some of the light swirls, but some of the swirls is still there. its not rids. i have 2 white pads, 1 blue, and 1 orange.

try the orange pad instead or even yellow, the swirls might be deeper if you managed to remove some of the swirls, these might be deep swirl marks already

3. can i use UC with white pads? at maximum speed of 4? how many passes?

yes you can use UC with a white pad but its sort of not really the best pad for UC, UC works best with purple, yellow and orange pads, with UC its also the same style, to sum it up you just have to apply the most pressure you can and maintain rotation and then slowly with more passes slowly lighten the pressure until you spend the polish

4. what do you recommend to remove light scratches that cannot remove by swirlx ? its not that deep. can i use the rubbing compound by hand? or just use UC with white pads on it?

try UC by hand and slowly massage it

5. whats the best water mark remover on the winshield, windows? and best sealants for glasses as well? any best procedure and products that works best?

i use a lot of products hmmm try elevo, or markV splash is also great but its in gallons, the best sealant i've used are diamondite and carlack glass sealant

6. whats the best protectant for black plastics and rubbers? i want endurance and looks new again....

try megs ultimate protectant or ultimate trim restorer, or you could try what we use, Microtex Tireblack hahaha

microtex tireblack can be use on trims? hmmm mas mura pa.... how much... basta durable and looks new then economical pa...hahaha

elevo sana meron dito sa sg... ska ung carlack and diamondite.


wow thats why i did'nt remove swirls because mga 4-3 passes lang po ginawa ko...mali....


mas prefer nyo ba AG SRP/m21/next gen 2.0 by ROP? i only use hand application maybe if ROP mas makintab...

AG SRP how many passes?

thanks for the replies

[madkatz]

microtex tireblack can be use on trims? hmmm mas mura pa.... how much... basta durable and looks new then economical pa...hahaha

elevo sana meron dito sa sg... ska ung carlack and diamondite.


wow thats why i did'nt remove swirls because mga 4-3 passes lang po ginawa ko...mali....


mas prefer nyo ba AG SRP/m21/next gen 2.0 by ROP? i only use hand application maybe if ROP mas makintab...

AG SRP how many passes?

thanks for the replies

I don't know if Elevo's available there in SG but im sure its available here, someone told me Elevo is a local brand for some retail company, im just not sure on that information

Yep so far so good with Microtex Tireblack

Haha for swirls and correction you really have to work the polish for a long time and for me and in most cases thats at least 12 passes hehe, with finishing polishes i could even go for more than 20 passes just to work them properly and produce a hologram free finish

as for those products, since they're a bit expensive i would suggest you just apply them by hand you kinda save more with hand application and the difference with machine application doesn't vary that much

SG SRP at most 2 passes only