Detailing Thread [For Newbies][continued]

[electone]

Sirs and madam,

May I know where I could get Zaino products here in the Philippines? Your help would be very much appreciated. TIA

[PSI]

yes they use carlack for the optiguard and yes you can apply collinite every month, even every week if you want. if you are planning on waxing monthly then i would suggest 476 so that you get more than enough protection, but for ease of use definitely get the 845 instead.

Im now thinking if 845 will do my car more good than 476....hmmmmm....................................i'll stick with 885 for my roof/trunk/hood...... and stay away from girly wax........ next time i'll try your beloved 915...i'll try to bring the black car by fri night next week

[Lyle]

usually its swirlX first then cleaner wax but i would recommend pre-wax cleaner instead of cleaner wax since it can improve the paint to accept step 2 and the rest by removing polishing oils from swirlX

Nalilito talaga ako... iba pa yung pre-cleaner wax sa cleaner wax? Step 1 ng mothers ay pre-cleaner wax ryt?

Ayaw ko kasi matanggal yung old wax ko kasi 2 years palang car ko at makintab pa, just want to improve and maintain its shine and gloss.

[mf051404]

Nalilito talaga ako... iba pa yung pre-cleaner wax sa cleaner wax? Step 1 ng mothers ay pre-cleaner wax ryt?

Ayaw ko kasi matanggal yung old wax ko kasi 2 years palang car ko at makintab pa, just want to improve and maintain its shine and gloss.

Mas maganda sigurong i-define na lang:
Cleaner Wax : wax na merong cleaning properties...shortcut to cleaning then waxing (done in one step)

Pre-wax cleaner (not pre-cleaner wax) : cleaner (pang-linis)..bago ka apply ng wax (thus for the term pre-wax), para kumapit yung wax (wax in this sense are the ones na walang cleaning properties (walang abrasives)

[mf051404]

yes they use carlack for the optiguard and yes you can apply collinite every month, even every week if you want. if you are planning on waxing monthly then i would suggest 476 so that you get more than enough protection, but for ease of use definitely get the 845 instead.

This does not imply that you can't use 476 weekly, or maski daily pa nga eh...it's just that mas mahirap sya i-apply compared sa 845...pero kung kaya naman why not, right ma'am MadKatz? ...pero not necessary naman na weekly ka mag-476s dahil durable sya...

[mf051404]

So bale sir it's ok to include the cleaner wax in my next week detailing plan even though mag two years palang car ko at makintab pa rin? Hindi mawawala yung orginal na wax at top coat niya?

Here's what I'm planning kasi:

1. car wash
2. claybar
3. (cleaner wax) - undecided
4. swirlX
5. step 2
6. final wax

Going back to your prior post..maybe here's what you have to do instead considering yung sabi ni ma'am Madkatz
1. car wash
2. claybar
4. swirlX - if you need to do some correction (remove swirls)
5. step 2 - I'm not familiar with this brand...dito papasok yung pre-wax cleaner (para malinisan na din yung oils ni SwirlX, kung pre-wax cleaner si step 2 then go...
6. final wax

gets na?

[Starex_Gold]

Easy lang mf051404

Guys, talaga bang hindi gaano ka-kintab yung 476S?

Meron kayo pics na 476S alone yung naka apply?

Kukuha ako ng isa eh

[madkatz]

Sirs and madam,

May I know where I could get Zaino products here in the Philippines? Your help would be very much appreciated. TIA

As far as i know there's nobody here that sells Zaino, we used to import it before and tried to sell it even at marginal prices and people still find them very expensive so we stopped, right now we're also on the look out for some zaino products but we still can't find any, so i guess im stuck till december to have my next batches of their sealants

[madkatz]

Im now thinking if 845 will do my car more good than 476....hmmmmm....................................i'll stick with 885 for my roof/trunk/hood...... and stay away from girly wax........ next time i'll try your beloved 915...i'll try to bring the black car by fri night next week

845 is the liquid version of 476, basically its 476 in liquid and more volume but also about half the protection, its very easy to apply which makes it more popular around the world compared to collinite waxes, but collinite waxes definitely last a lot longer than 845 and yes i agree with mf051404 that 476 is very durable that you don't need to wax weekly

[madkatz]

Nalilito talaga ako... iba pa yung pre-cleaner wax sa cleaner wax? Step 1 ng mothers ay pre-cleaner wax ryt?

Ayaw ko kasi matanggal yung old wax ko kasi 2 years palang car ko at makintab pa, just want to improve and maintain its shine and gloss.

like what mf051404 said

Cleaner wax - mild cleaner + wax

Prewax Cleaner - stronger cleaner without wax

now if your concern is removing old layers of wax then i can assure you that using both will definitely remove your old layers of wax

if your concern is reduction in your clear coat then you don't have anything to worry about

Like i said before the main difference lies with Pre-wax cleaner being a stronger cleaner but doesn't contain waxes so you definitely have to follow up with a wax, with pre-wax cleaner is also cleans your paint and leaves a layer of wax but its doesn't last as long as a pure wax

removing old layers of waxes is actually good for the paint, old layers of wax could dull the paint overtime and actually be oxidized that why its advisable to remove old layers of wax before putting a new layer on, removing old layers of wax also ensures a clean surface for the fresh wax to bond properly to the paint.

[madkatz]

Going back to your prior post..maybe here's what you have to do instead considering yung sabi ni ma'am Madkatz
1. car wash
2. claybar
4. swirlX - if you need to do some correction (remove swirls)
5. step 2 - I'm not familiar with this brand...dito papasok yung pre-wax cleaner (para malinisan na din yung oils ni SwirlX, kung pre-wax cleaner si step 2 then go...
6. final wax

gets na?

Its gonna be actually more like

1. carwash
2. claybar
3. swirlx
4. pre-wax cleaner
5. step 2
6. final wax

[madkatz]

Easy lang mf051404

Guys, talaga bang hindi gaano ka-kintab yung 476S?

Meron kayo pics na 476S alone yung naka apply?

Kukuha ako ng isa eh

If you are used to using 915 then you would definitely find 476 a little lower in terms of gloss but compared to OTC waxes it could easily stand toe to toe, 915's shine just last longer even with regular washing whereas 476's shine sort of goes away after a few washes but the protection keeps on going and going

[PSI]

845 is the liquid version of 476, basically its 476 in liquid and more volume but also about half the protection, its very easy to apply which makes it more popular around the world compared to collinite waxes, but collinite waxes definitely last a lot longer than 845 and yes i agree with mf051404 that 476 is very durable that you don't need to wax weekly

Thus this apply to all? what I mean is, are all liquid version of waxes not that effective or potent?.....

Will be washing the black car tonight, I used it last night while its raining.....beading is still there....maintenance is QD/OGE/show time for 3weeks....it is the DUSTER indeed

[watusi]

I've been reading the threads under the detailing topic and I got inspired with enthusiasts' input and help. Enthusiasts make cars in our world shinier, hehe madkatz (i hope that I won't offend other experts here )I already bought the stuff that she uses for washing cars (got them from the Maintenance Regimen thread).

I used to go to car washes but after reading the posts here, I decided to DIY. Its a good thing that I have a 3 year old company car where I can "practice" detailing

I've been doing some back reading and research on-line but I can't seem to find the answer to my question......please help

Introduction
I have 2 cars, a 6 month old new car and a 3 year old poorly maintained "practice" car, hehe. (hindi po naalagaan nung previous owner kaya watermark galore!)

My fascination for beading started when I had a hydrophilic session in Honda with my new car and they applied something to the windows that made the rain drops bead beautifully, no need to use wipers during heavy rain! I wanted to have my practice car's windshield bead beautifully also.

I like to maintain/get the beading effect but I believe that DIY will save me a lot of money compared to going to the casa regularly, and besides, they placed buffer/swirl marks all over my new car (in another thread http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71616)

I already have the Elevo Water Mark Remover and the Glass Science Rain Clear with me.

Question 1
There are tough watermarks on the windows and I've tried Elevo Water Mark remover on a small potion of the windshield and it works great!! But when it rained, the water sheeted, instead of beaded. How will I make the water bead again without getting the wipers to judder? Will Glass Science Rain Clear do the job?

Question 2
In terms of beading and windshield protection, is the Glass Science Kit(gel type) better than the Elevo Water Mark Remover + GS Rain Clear combo?

Question 3
The instruction in the Elevo Water Mark Remover states that the chemical cannot be applied on coated windows. How will I know if my window is coated or not?

Apologies for any typos or any wrong grammar, nagmamadali po kasi akong makaalis, hehe

[kafph2000]

Question 2
In terms of beading and windshield protection, is the Glass Science Kit(gel type) better than the Elevo Water Mark Remover + GS Rain Clear combo?

Hey,
Share ko lang experience ko sa Elevo + Rain clear method.
Apparently, it caused streaks on my windshield. I was able to prove it because I applied the same method to my 2 cars. And both got the same result. So, IMO, hindi magandang combo ang dalawa. Then I tried the kit solely, OK ang result. Scrub muna, then rain clear. Ok na ok! Then use tissue as a finishing step to make sure that no streaks are left. Masama kasi maarawan ang streaks cause it will stain.
Ang elevo naman okay lang talaga pantanggal ng water marks. Approve yan! hehe

For question 1, yes elevo alone will make the water sheet. But rain clear will definitely solve that problem. Very nice beading. Thanks to chikselog and ma'am madkatz for their tip hehe.

[kafph2000]

GUYS,
Tanong nalang din ako sa thread na 'to, just in case may idea kayo.
Ano pala magandang brand ng banana type wipers? At the same time hindi masyadong mahal? I bought a Korea brand of banana type wipers worth 700php, 5mos palang siya pero may punit na.
Any ideas guys? TIA! (btw, I saw an Elevo brand banana type wipers yesterday, only for P250+. Okay kaya 'to?)

[Lyle]

like what mf051404 said

Cleaner wax - mild cleaner + wax

Prewax Cleaner - stronger cleaner without wax

now if your concern is removing old layers of wax then i can assure you that using both will definitely remove your old layers of wax

if your concern is reduction in your clear coat then you don't have anything to worry about

Like i said before the main difference lies with Pre-wax cleaner being a stronger cleaner but doesn't contain waxes so you definitely have to follow up with a wax, with pre-wax cleaner is also cleans your paint and leaves a layer of wax but its doesn't last as long as a pure wax

removing old layers of waxes is actually good for the paint, old layers of wax could dull the paint overtime and actually be oxidized that why its advisable to remove old layers of wax before putting a new layer on, removing old layers of wax also ensures a clean surface for the fresh wax to bond properly to the paint.

Thank you ma'am madkatz for the clear explanation. Ngayon super gets ko na talaga and confident na ko simulan this weekend my very first detailing regimen hehe.

[Starex_Gold]

GUYS,
Tanong nalang din ako sa thread na 'to, just in case may idea kayo.
Ano pala magandang brand ng banana type wipers? At the same time hindi masyadong mahal? I bought a Korea brand of banana type wipers worth 700php, 5mos palang siya pero may punit na.
Any ideas guys? TIA! (btw, I saw an Elevo brand banana type wipers yesterday, only for P250+. Okay kaya 'to?)

Wag kang bibili ng mumurahing wiper blades. Yung Korean Brand (HLT ano?) Bulok din quality nyan. nagka ganyan din ako. Ang ingay naman tapos nag judder.

Bosch Aerotwin or NWB Aero Type ang maganda. Kahit mahal, sulit dahil sa quality at ganda ng hagod sa windshield

[Chikselog]

Ingat din sa mga silicone wipers. AFAIK (some I think),di sila compatible sa windshield na may Rain Clear, magjjudder lang siya.

[madkatz]

Thus this apply to all? what I mean is, are all liquid version of waxes not that effective or potent?.....

Will be washing the black car tonight, I used it last night while its raining.....beading is still there....maintenance is QD/OGE/show time for 3weeks....it is the DUSTER indeed

Well as much as most companies and brands say that liquid and paste waxes are the same, my and my BF really refuse to believe that, but hey thats what they say so you don't have to take our word for it, to be honest we really find paste waxes to last longer than liquid waxes, in most OTC waxes' case liquid and pastes are usually the same, but with higher end waxes like collinite and souveran to name a few, paste waxes really last a lot longer than liquid waxes, and one thing that we really love about paste waxes, you would know if you saw my BF's wax collection that he has a lot of paste waxes, is that paste waxes' shine lasts a lot longer compared to liquid counterparts, so my answer would be dependent on the wax, with collinite its 2 hands down pastes waxes win far more than liquid in terms of durability, and there's also one reason why the worlds best waxes like, Zymol, Swissvax, Souveran, P21S, Collinite, Dodo Juice, Victoria Concourse, and a lot more are in paste versions, its because they really deliver better results since its much much more concentrated, the downside to paste waxes though would be ease of application, but hey if you could stand 476 and remove it then you're good to go, 476 is one of the darnest waxes to apply and remove and the also the most cases where people throw in the towel and just give it to someone else, they really just didn't know it should be applied per panel only hehe