Detailing Thread [For Newbies][continued]

[madkatz]

Thank you so much for the compliment and the tip.

But I did start out with m85 on an LC yellow foam pad. Even after three passes, when the sun shines on the paint I am shocked to find out that the sanding marks were still there. I guess the m85 breaks down fast, or I just don't know how to work the polish since I'm a first timer. Maybe foam pads work for swirl removal but less so for sanding marks. I don't know.

That's why I tried the wool pad and what a difference! It gets the sanding marks out in a jiffy! But of course, the dreaded holograms. But the m83 on white LC pad got rid of them fast. I suspect that if I follow it up with m80 on a white LC pad will improve the finish further. But I guess I'm too pooped now. And I've already cleaned all the pads. Perhaps I'll save that step for another weekend.

I feel that if I'd gotten the more expensive m105, I wouldn't need all the three steps going from m85 to m83 and maybe m80. But then m105 is also 3x the price of m85.

ohhh for sanding marks wool is the weapon of choice, sorry i forgot to factor that in i thought its just for basic compounding

m80 is very very nice actually it will really improve the finish of the paint be one thing i hate with m80 is that you have to constantly clean the pad so you don't get gummed on polish

and yeah 85 is definitely more cost effective than 105

[madkatz]

ano mas maganda rainx o rain clear? my rain x ako.

rain-X is cheaper but rain clear definitely lasts longer, a lot longer!

[Nik]

sir ED, sir PSI, sir DOC hehe , EJ, and migz !!nicemeeting you all kahapon !! dami ko nanaman natutunan ... at na testing agad ang collinite sakto kakatapos ko lang ilagay 915.. nice yung 915 !! haha thanks sir ED sa pag papagamit sakin..

hindi ko pa nalilinis auto kakauwi ko lang simula kahapon puro lakwatsa.. tom 7am alis nanaman no time mag wash.. matetesting ang 915 kung tatagal haha..

*madkatz THANKS so much

antayin ko na din yung sealant na parating.. para sealant na yun at collinte ok na.. ok lang po ba yun mam madkatz? sealant + collinite? no glaze no filler wax.. makakatakip na din ba ng swirls ang sealant pag naka 2 to 3 patong? gusto ko lang malinawan ulit for the last time hehe

[red16]

good day mga Sir!

Ask kulang kung reasonable naba po yung price na 7k for re-paint sa hood( nag ccrack yuing paint nya) at buffing nalang daw sa mga minor scratches sa labas ng body(whole body) XUV crosswind ko? Yun narin ba tawag sa term RETOUCH or REPAINT? Pcencya napo, bago lang sa trend nato. salamat!

[indiej]

if you're going to have a meet this sunday, pls post the time and hopefully a map. thanks.

[madkatz]

sir ED, sir PSI, sir DOC hehe , EJ, and migz !!nicemeeting you all kahapon !! dami ko nanaman natutunan ... at na testing agad ang collinite sakto kakatapos ko lang ilagay 915.. nice yung 915 !! haha thanks sir ED sa pag papagamit sakin..

hindi ko pa nalilinis auto kakauwi ko lang simula kahapon puro lakwatsa.. tom 7am alis nanaman no time mag wash.. matetesting ang 915 kung tatagal haha..

*madkatz THANKS so much

antayin ko na din yung sealant na parating.. para sealant na yun at collinte ok na.. ok lang po ba yun mam madkatz? sealant + collinite? no glaze no filler wax.. makakatakip na din ba ng swirls ang sealant pag naka 2 to 3 patong? gusto ko lang malinawan ulit for the last time hehe

hello some sealants can fill swirls like KSG and WGDGPS but i don't know about opti-seal yet we've only used it on swirl free finishes so i haven't really checked if it could cover swirls but im sure it can protect as well

[madkatz]

good day mga Sir!

Ask kulang kung reasonable naba po yung price na 7k for re-paint sa hood( nag ccrack yuing paint nya) at buffing nalang daw sa mga minor scratches sa labas ng body(whole body) XUV crosswind ko? Yun narin ba tawag sa term RETOUCH or REPAINT? Pcencya napo, bago lang sa trend nato. salamat!

hmmm well if you ask me the usual going rate for painting per panel is at 3k but thats just spraying a color coat and a clear coat and some sanding, if its stripped down to the metal it goes up to 4k, this usually entails removing anything down to the metal, re-spraying with primer, color coat and clear coat, the result is a much more sturdy finish than a painted on top paint job, so if its 4k and exterior detailing goes at around 3k, that price is just about right but for it to be just about right make sure that they'll do a thorough and complete exterior detail so you get your moneys worth, if they'll just remove some scratches and not really buff the entire car then its not worth 7k, but thats just my 2 cents

[kafph2000]

Good morning guys,

For those who use Rain Clear gel, how do you apply it properly?
Mine seems to have streaks on the windshield.
Although nakikita lang sya pag naaarawan.
Bali ang ginawa ko, cleaned the glass first using elevo water mark remover. Rinse. Then applied rain clear gel using foam. Then buffed using mf towel.
May mali ba sa steps?
TIA!

[Nik]

Good morning guys,

For those who use Rain Clear gel, how do you apply it properly?
Mine seems to have streaks on the windshield.
Although nakikita lang sya pag naaarawan.
Bali ang ginawa ko, cleaned the glass first using elevo water mark remover. Rinse. Then applied rain clear gel using foam. Then buffed using mf towel.
May mali ba sa steps?
TIA!

sir hangat wala pa yung sagot ng iba try ko muna sagutin... last sunday nakita ko si sir ed mag apply.. nilagyan nya small amount sa uper left, uppermid, upper right, lower mid, lower left, lower right.. small amount talaga mga isang tuldong ng finger natin..

tapos inispread nya using his bare hand... parang hinihilot nya yung salamin.. pag kaka tingin ko may pressure para ma spread talaga at maging manipis yung GEL..

antay natin reply ng iba

[Nik]

hello some sealants can fill swirls like KSG and WGDGPS but i don't know about opti-seal yet we've only used it on swirl free finishes so i haven't really checked if it could cover swirls but im sure it can protect as well

thanks mam..antayin ko nalang din si opti-seal ^_^

[PSI]

hope that seal will come out soon.... good for 2mos tops lang eto nakapatong sa car ko considering the harsh treatment its getting.....

[jmpet626]

May nakakapansin ba sa inyo ng shine ng wax vs sealant? Di ko ma distinguish kasi shine ng 915 at ksg...

[rico_g]

has anybody tried Mom's Scratch Remover for swirls and water marks? or for spot treatment lang dapat to?

I'm planning to use it with BnD KP600 na ROP... i'd like to ask around first, baka nkaka-damage ng paint...

I am aware SwirlX will do the job, pero sayang kc used once lang ung Moms

[PSI]

May nakakapansin ba sa inyo ng shine ng wax vs sealant? Di ko ma distinguish kasi shine ng 915 at ksg...

Idol....correct me if im wrong but iba ang silbi or main job ng sealant and wax....yes me simmilarity but magkaiba pa rin..... masmakintab ang 915 mo idol vs sealant.......... kung pagandahan ng protection sa paint....let us assume parehong double coat and same environment ....i would say i'd go for the sealant (assuming maganda yung sealant since maganda ang 915)....... wait tayo ng opti seal....... ....wait me KSG ka na pala.... ang kelangan mo ata yung booster or yung pang quick dry..... para makarami ka agad ng layer.....nice

[madkatz]

*jmpey626: if you really want to see the difference, put 915 on one side of the car and KSG on the other side of the car and put it out in the sun, you notice that KSG reflects more light than 915 and 915 would be slightly darker, another thing you could do is at night hit different panels with a halogen lamp you should see the main difference in the reflection and in what we call halo's

[madkatz]

has anybody tried Mom's Scratch Remover for swirls and water marks? or for spot treatment lang dapat to?

I'm planning to use it with BnD KP600 na ROP... i'd like to ask around first, baka nkaka-damage ng paint...

I am aware SwirlX will do the job, pero sayang kc used once lang ung Moms

we've tried it already and you can use it for swirl and water mark removal but you just have to work faster with Moms Scratch remover compared to SwirlX, SwirlX has a longer play time for you to work the polish, Scratch Remover dries up really really fast, and take note that scratch remove is already quite aggressive in its nature but since you're using kp600 you should be fine since kp600's correcting ability is minimal

[Nik]

Ahh D151 is a lot like Megs 66, for me the difference lies only with the abrasives used, 66 uses diminishing and d151 uses SMAT, its not the same as AG SRP the closest i can compared to AG SRP is Klasse AIO its pretty much like a sealant with milder than KAIO cleaning abilities although it uses mechanical abrasives as its cleaners so yes it can smooth out some swirls but not on the same level of correction as 66 and d151, AG SRP is actually considered by most as a sealant already but in the truest sense its a cleaner sealant like KAIO, FK Ultra Wipe, OPT Poli-seal and werkstat prime

*madkatz this means ang aG SRP pwede gawan ng apat na layer? like KSG and WGDGPS? so pwede syang alternative ng KSG and WGDGps as Sealant? i thought Polish sya kaya inalis ko si megs step 2 DC system Polish.. yun pala hindi

so CLAY , megs step 1 , megs step 2, AG SRP x 4 layers + collinite .. ganyan magiging process every 6months?

if Sealant nga ang aG SRP.. ano mas maganda AG SRP or Opti seal?

[red16]

hmmm well if you ask me the usual going rate for painting per panel is at 3k but thats just spraying a color coat and a clear coat and some sanding, if its stripped down to the metal it goes up to 4k, this usually entails removing anything down to the metal, re-spraying with primer, color coat and clear coat, the result is a much more sturdy finish than a painted on top paint job, so if its 4k and exterior detailing goes at around 3k, that price is just about right but for it to be just about right make sure that they'll do a thorough and complete exterior detail so you get your moneys worth, if they'll just remove some scratches and not really buff the entire car then its not worth 7k, but thats just my 2 cents

ok! thanks sa idea madkatz!

[red16]

hmmm well if you ask me the usual going rate for painting per panel is at 3k but thats just spraying a color coat and a clear coat and some sanding, if its stripped down to the metal it goes up to 4k, this usually entails removing anything down to the metal, re-spraying with primer, color coat and clear coat, the result is a much more sturdy finish than a painted on top paint job, so if its 4k and exterior detailing goes at around 3k, that price is just about right but for it to be just about right make sure that they'll do a thorough and complete exterior detail so you get your moneys worth, if they'll just remove some scratches and not really buff the entire car then its not worth 7k, but thats just my 2 cents

ok! thanks sa idea madkatz!

[madkatz]

*madkatz this means ang aG SRP pwede gawan ng apat na layer? like KSG and WGDGPS? so pwede syang alternative ng KSG and WGDGps as Sealant? i thought Polish sya kaya inalis ko si megs step 2 DC system Polish.. yun pala hindi

so CLAY , megs step 1 , megs step 2, AG SRP x 4 layers + collinite .. ganyan magiging process every 6months?

if Sealant nga ang aG SRP.. ano mas maganda AG SRP or Opti seal?

As for the AG SRP, my answer is yes and no, why's that my answer? ok lets just say that like i previously mentioned AG SRP is a cleaner sealant, which means it also removes previously applied sealant so in that essence no it cannot be applied, however if you don't put enough pressure and just apply it like you're gliding the foam applicator as light as possible and removing it as light as possible as well then yes you can layer it but take note even though you use this method you are still removing portions of the previous layer, so its still best to stick to pure sealants like WGDGPS and KSG since they are pure sealant that is also meant to be layered

it is in some essence a polish because its contains polishes but it also leaves a layer of sealant behind, thats why its called a cleaner sealant

you process would be clay, step1, step 2, AG SRP at most 2x only and then collinite, its practically pointless to layer more than 2 layers of a cleaner sealant

as for the AG SRP and Opti-seal, again they don't belong to the same category, Opti-seal is considered a pure sealant, AG SRP is considered a cleaner sealant, pure sealants are much much more durable and offer more protection than cleaner sealants so they don't belong to the same class