Detailing Thread [For Newbies][continued]

[Nik]

thanks again madkatz.. i think in that case megs step2 can do the job for polishing then i'll use opti-seal or KSG for protection then collinite..

does opti-seal or KSG can fill light swirls? so that i can choose between this two to lessen my steps in detailing is opti-seal and KSG acrylic sealant? para alam ko kung pwede sila ipatong sa Glaze like 3m IHG.

[x_jason_x]

Detailing gurus,

How does the Microtex Washmitt (Php339 a piece) compare in terms of performance with Mothers, SM Arnolds and Meguiars Washmitt? I'm about to buy 2 washmitts and I'm still undecided whether to get which one. Thanks.

[jmpet626]

*jmpey626: if you really want to see the difference, put 915 on one side of the car and KSG on the other side of the car and put it out in the sun, you notice that KSG reflects more light than 915 and 915 would be slightly darker, another thing you could do is at night hit different panels with a halogen lamp you should see the main difference in the reflection and in what we call halo's

Ok thanks try ko pag maaraw half ng hood sealant and half ng hood wax

[madkatz]

thanks again madkatz.. i think in that case megs step2 can do the job for polishing then i'll use opti-seal or KSG for protection then collinite..

does opti-seal or KSG can fill light swirls? so that i can choose between this two to lessen my steps in detailing is opti-seal and KSG acrylic sealant? para alam ko kung pwede sila ipatong sa Glaze like 3m IHG.

yes they can fill very very light swirls in the paint, KSG in acrylic sealant Opti-seal is not, Opti-seal is polymer based sealant, and its better if you don't apply them with a glaze underneath to be sure, we always recommend using acrylic glazes if you're using a sealant.

[madkatz]

Detailing gurus,

How does the Microtex Washmitt (Php339 a piece) compare in terms of performance with Mothers, SM Arnolds and Meguiars Washmitt? I'm about to buy 2 washmitts and I'm still undecided whether to get which one. Thanks.

Microtex washmitt is only 330 if im not mistaken

microtex washmitt is MF chenille washmitt while mothers, meguiars and SM arnolds are lambswool, as with lambswool i find it that they deteriorate faster especially if you run over sharp surfaces like emblems and such, lambswool because of its semi rough nature also can't be used with pressure because it might scour the paint unlike some chenille washmiits, overall if really depends on the person using it, i did a comparison before using a MF chenille washmitt (non Microtex ) and lambswool and just to check which one is cleaner i wiped the paint with pressure using a chamois, and the part where i used lambswool was a lot dirtier since the chamois turned dark on some spots and the MF chenille washmitts were cleaner, i then washed the panel again using lambswool but this time with pressure and it actually scoured the paint and induced scratches, i said bottomline it depends on the person using it because our mentor actually uses a lambswool washmitt and he can even put pressure to the paint without scouring it but then again his lambswool washmitt was made from the US thats all natural not mothers, megs and Sm arnolds

[madkatz]

Ok thanks try ko pag maaraw half ng hood sealant and half ng hood wax

the main difference lies on the sharpness of the reflections and the halos from the sun, you might also need to look an a certain flatter angle to see the difference although most of the times its very very hard to differentiate, same way as how i actually find 915 to be just at part with Souveran sometimes

[Nik]

yes they can fill very very light swirls in the paint, KSG in acrylic sealant Opti-seal is not, Opti-seal is polymer based sealant, and its better if you don't apply them with a glaze underneath to be sure, we always recommend using acrylic glazes if you're using a sealant.

ibig sabihin nito pag i-top ko ang glaze sa sealant either KSG or opti-seal dapat acrylic siya? ano ano po yung mga glaze na acrylic? TIA.

[mf051404]

hmmm well if you ask me the usual going rate for painting per panel is at 3k but thats just spraying a color coat and a clear coat and some sanding, if its stripped down to the metal it goes up to 4k, this usually entails removing anything down to the metal, re-spraying with primer, color coat and clear coat, the result is a much more sturdy finish than a painted on top paint job, so if its 4k and exterior detailing goes at around 3k, that price is just about right but for it to be just about right make sure that they'll do a thorough and complete exterior detail so you get your moneys worth, if they'll just remove some scratches and not really buff the entire car then its not worth 7k, but thats just my 2 cents

+1 ...same here in Baguio, washover (hilamos) will cost 2500-3500 per panel depende sa paint...strip to metal + P1K ...pero sa mga kilalalang shops yan...Dito kasi sa Baguio, madaming professional painters dito na gumawa na ng sarili nilang shops, mas mura yet yung result is same...nagpa-washover ako ng front and rear bumpers, plus retouch ng tailgate...P4500 lang binayaran ko (may guarantee pa)..in short you need not go sa mga mamahaling paintshops...you just need the right person (with the right equipment) to do it...

[mf051404]

+1 ...same here in Baguio, washover (hilamos) will cost 2500-3500 per panel depende sa paint...strip to metal + P1K ...pero sa mga kilalalang shops yan...Dito kasi sa Baguio, madaming professional painters dito na gumawa na ng sarili nilang shops, mas mura yet yung result is same...nagpa-washover ako ng front and rear bumpers, plus retouch ng tailgate...P4500 lang binayaran ko (may guarantee pa)..in short you need not go sa mga mamahaling paintshops...you just need the right person (with the right equipment) to do it...

And this is very important, kapag strip to metal make sure they use paint stripper, NOT blowtorch (mas madali kasi ito) ...using blowtorch to strip paint will cause the metal to lose its anti-rust properties, maski anong tino ng paintjob sigurado ko lolobo ang paint niyan pagtagal dahil sa kalawang sa loob maski may anti-rust primer pa yan...

[azzkkr2600]

+1 ...same here in Baguio, washover (hilamos) will cost 2500-3500 per panel depende sa paint...strip to metal + P1K ...pero sa mga kilalalang shops yan...Dito kasi sa Baguio, madaming professional painters dito na gumawa na ng sarili nilang shops, mas mura yet yung result is same...nagpa-washover ako ng front and rear bumpers, plus retouch ng tailgate...P4500 lang binayaran ko (may guarantee pa)..in short you need not go sa mga mamahaling paintshops...you just need the right person (with the right equipment) to do it...

sir papost naman photos ng truck mo!

[mf051404]

sir papost naman photos ng truck mo!

Actually hindi sya truck/pickup...Nissan XTrail sya (baka dahil sa term na tailgate siguro hehe...actually yung door sa likod, tailgate din yata tawag dun hindi ba? hehe)....post ako kapag na-picturan ko...

[madkatz]

ibig sabihin nito pag i-top ko ang glaze sa sealant either KSG or opti-seal dapat acrylic siya? ano ano po yung mga glaze na acrylic? TIA.

For that part we're still doing some research regarding which are best, but so far i don't see any acrylic glazes here and our orders are still due to arrive on october since its bought from germany and we have to wait for out mentor to bring it over, you only need acrylic glazes if you want to layer acrylic sealant like KSG, but if you are using Opti-seal then its ok to use regular glazes just as long as you do a IPA wipedown to remove the oils and ensure proper bonding

[Starex_Gold]

Share lang.. Mothers Step 2 + Step 3 + Top Coat

[x_jason_x]

Microtex washmitt is only 330 if im not mistaken

microtex washmitt is MF chenille washmitt while mothers, meguiars and SM arnolds are lambswool, as with lambswool i find it that they deteriorate faster especially if you run over sharp surfaces like emblems and such, lambswool because of its semi rough nature also can't be used with pressure because it might scour the paint unlike some chenille washmiits, overall if really depends on the person using it, i did a comparison before using a MF chenille washmitt (non Microtex ) and lambswool and just to check which one is cleaner i wiped the paint with pressure using a chamois, and the part where i used lambswool was a lot dirtier since the chamois turned dark on some spots and the MF chenille washmitts were cleaner, i then washed the panel again using lambswool but this time with pressure and it actually scoured the paint and induced scratches, i said bottomline it depends on the person using it because our mentor actually uses a lambswool washmitt and he can even put pressure to the paint without scouring it but then again his lambswool washmitt was made from the US thats all natural not mothers, megs and Sm arnolds

Thanks for the reply dude. Just bought 2 pcs microtex washmitt a while ago. Yes the price is 329 a piece.

I was also looking for a Meguiars NXT shampoo but can't find one even in Blade. The only shampoo available in Blade is Mothers shampoo. But based on the reviews I read on the net, Meguiars NXT is better than Mothers. O well, I have to stick with my Microtex shampoo.

[weszt]

* madkatz

tanong clearcoat po ba ang optra?

[Starex_Gold]

* madkatz

tanong clearcoat po ba ang optra?

K92 daw paint ng Optra.. Baka yun din ang clear coat?

[weszt]

K92 daw paint ng Optra.. Baka yun din ang clear coat?

thanks sa reply SG!

any one can clarify k92 daw? clearcoat?

[madkatz]

Thanks for the reply dude. Just bought 2 pcs microtex washmitt a while ago. Yes the price is 329 a piece.

I was also looking for a Meguiars NXT shampoo but can't find one even in Blade. The only shampoo available in Blade is Mothers shampoo. But based on the reviews I read on the net, Meguiars NXT is better than Mothers. O well, I have to stick with my Microtex shampoo.

Hehe sorry but im not a dude

Megs NXT is good in its claim that it you use it wash your car you won't get water marks after and its very economical, right after you wash your car you would even notice that some parts are starting to dry up without any water mark and streaking, actually Mothers isn't half as bad, some people from the US use Mothers to NOT strip expensive waxes since its one of the most gentlest shampoo's out there, Microtex isn't half bad either, its main selling point is its price although you might have to use a little more but its still cheap

[madkatz]

* madkatz

tanong clearcoat po ba ang optra?

If you mean't if Optra has a layer of clear coat over color coat then the answer is yes, nearly all cars nowadays since 2000 now have clear coat finishes but as to exactly what they use i don't know, the only thing i know that really matters is to differentiate whether if its acrylic or polyurethane.

[Nik]

For that part we're still doing some research regarding which are best, but so far i don't see any acrylic glazes here and our orders are still due to arrive on october since its bought from germany and we have to wait for out mentor to bring it over, you only need acrylic glazes if you want to layer acrylic sealant like KSG, but if you are using Opti-seal then its ok to use regular glazes just as long as you do a IPA wipedown to remove the oils and ensure proper bonding

thanks for the answer maam