Detailing Thread [For Newbies][continued 2]

[Hardinero]

can't find the warning against sunlight during the LLS curing process. the tent helps. try to email the maker of your sealant, maybe you'd be pleasantly surprised, or read around the net. no need to confine yourselves here. do come back and educate us.

thanks paps for enlightening...i'll try to email carlack regarding this one and provide feedback...now, medyo mas nakaka-enganyo na talaga mag-layer..

by the way, mga detailing buddies sabi sa radio may bagyo daw parating....

baka next next week na lang talaga ako mag-layer..

mag 915 na lang muna ako this weekend pang-protect sa bagyo..

[Nik]

thanks paps for enlightening...i'll try to email carlack regarding this one and provide feedback...now, medyo mas nakaka-enganyo na talaga mag-layer..

by the way, mga detailing buddies sabi sa radio may bagyo daw parating....

baka next next week na lang talaga ako mag-layer..

mag 915 na lang muna ako this weekend pang-protect sa bagyo..

thanks sa info.. kaya pala after ko mag carwash ngayon biglang kumilimlim

buti interior detail ginawa ko ngayon.. yung exterior wash lang.. ubos na nanosliq ko wahaha..kaya wash nalang..

[jmpet626]

Meron na ba nakagamit ng Meguiars Super Degreaser? Pwede kaya siya pang linis ng buffing pads?

[madkatz]

sir we got same result.. try sir to include aio& sg 2layers.. it won't sheet anymore compared to aio&sg 1layer.. it will bead already.. aio&sg 3layers beads also like sg(2layers).. so what i did to make it sure that my paint has protection i always put a 3layer SG.. if after 1 month and it doesn't bead anymore it means that the layer is already thin (the water still sheets, it glides tha paint fast).. and after 1month the water sheeting is already slow in gliding the paint, this means the SG is gone compared to the thin layer of SG that sheet water faster..

we use our car everyday atleast 12km(around bulacan).. 4days a week it travels atleast 100km (pulilan bulacan to manila then back to pulilan) thats why the sealant depriciate a lot faster. and also i don't wash our car regularly so the contaminants sleep in the paint. maybe this is the reason why my sealant gone fast.

this is how i determine if i still got carlack68 LLS / KSG in my paint. but i don't know if when the water beading/sheeting is gone does LLS/KSG still protect the paint. just to be sure i apply again 3layers of LLS when water sheets/glides in the paint slow like what it happens in bare paint.


*sir JMpet sir next week ko na po kunin yung z2. busy lang this week board exam ko po sa saturday and sunday.. try ko if ganto rin ba mag react ang z2 compare to LLS hehe

Actually even just one coat of SG can already make the paint bead, try to check out some cars where BB applied Opti-guard, some of them still bead paint even after some washing, even with those cars that we do, we let it cure for 24 hours and wash it again before applying wax before releasing it

if it requires two coats to get beading then there might be something wrong with how you apply it, you might be removing it with too much pressure

LLS requires a drying time and a curing time
AIO does require a drying time but requires a minimal curing time

drying time is when you apply a product and leave it before you buff it off

curing time is when you've buffed it off but you still allow the product to throughly cure and thoroughly dry inside and out

with LLS you apply it on the whole car and wait for the 1 hour drying time before you buff it off and then allow 24 hours to cure

with AIO you apply it and you can remove it immediately, you still have to allow 1 to 4 hours to cure if you are applying a wax OR you can go straight to LLS since thats how its designed to work just like what indiej said

with removing LLS don't use too much pressure, if you're using too much pressure to remove it then there's two things that might be wrong, either you applied too much it becomes a paint to remove, or you might need to add a QD and a softer MF cloth

we've been using LLS/KSG for years and the one thing we usually notice is it either sheets or beads but the effectiveness of the product doesn't change with multiple application, you might have missed some spots that made the coverage uneven or you might be buffing too hard you're actually removing them

[madkatz]

bro if after mag LLS(3 layers) patungan pa ng wax, masmaganda ba kung ganito, then pawax wax na lang kahit every 1 week, para di mawala ang sealant, na rerecharge lang ang wax, pwede ba ang ganoon.

thats the idea

[madkatz]

Meron na ba nakagamit ng Meguiars Super Degreaser? Pwede kaya siya pang linis ng buffing pads?

i would recommend you use water first, if its not yet removed then use APC especially if the product isn't oily, if the product on the pad is really oily then you can use the degreaser but be sure to rinse it thoroughly after, any degreaser left on the pad once not rinsed thoroughly would degrade the foam

[Hardinero]

with AIO you apply it and you can remove it immediately, you still have to allow 1 to 4 hours to cure if you are applying a wax OR you can go straight to LLS since thats how its designed to work just like what indiej said

ay ganon pala with AIO...may curing time na 1 to 4 hours before apply yung LSP or the sealant...mali pala yung practice ko..

pero ms madkatz would it be better kung wait ng 4hours or 1hr is more than enough?

meron kasi ako nababasa before that says...the longer it sits to your paint the better..is this pertain to curing time?

[madkatz]

ay ganon pala with AIO...may curing time na 1 to 4 hours before apply yung LSP or the sealant...mali pala yung practice ko..

pero ms madkatz would it be better kung wait ng 4hours or 1hr is more than enough?

meron kasi ako nababasa before that says...the longer it sits to your paint the better..is this pertain to curing time?

ok let me repeat

with AIO if you are applying anything else other than LLS, it has a 1 to 4 hours recommended curing time, but if its LLS you are putting after, then there's no need to wait

4 hours is definitely better if you are applying a different sealant than LLS, but if its LLS then it would not matter since applying it immediately after and waiting for 4 hours would just yield the same results

yes thats curing time, AIO has a lot less chemical needed to cure compared to LLS which requires 24 hours

[Hardinero]

ok let me repeat

with AIO if you are applying anything else other than LLS, it has a 1 to 4 hours recommended curing time, but if its LLS you are putting after, then there's no need to wait

4 hours is definitely better if you are applying a different sealant than LLS, but if its LLS then it would not matter since applying it immediately after and waiting for 4 hours would just yield the same results

yes thats curing time, AIO has a lot less chemical needed to cure compared to LLS which requires 24 hours

thanks ms madkatz for the headsup....

[madkatz]

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...e-sealant.html

a good enough but not the best explanation for KSG, im still trying to look for the original one coming from the manufacturer, but its translated from german so i'll try to look for it again and post it, this should be enough in the mean time