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[madkatz]

nakaka addict dito.. ang nasa utak ko ngayon.. money money money !! i need money !! HAHAHA

*tsikoters - may tanong ako mga nakikita ko dito na pinost na photos ng detailing kit nila ang daming ibaibang product same lang naman ginagawa.. like UC tapos may rubbing compound pa may scratchX pa o swirlX pa.. diba same lang naman sila na nag babawas ng clearcoat para kuminis ulit..bakit hindi nalang mag stick sa isa?

sunday EB? nasas church ako nun sa 10th ave.

Ultimate Compound and Rubbing compound is the same in terms of function but UC is more effective and thats why its also scary, with UC you need less pressure to remove defects but its also a lot easier to make mistakes by removing too much paint, and UC also finishes better, rubbing compound on the other hand requires a little more pressure and requires technique to be able to work it properly but its pretty much safe, and if you're refering to the picture by weszt, that rubbing compound is actually formulate to be used by hand unlike the traditional rubbing compound thats formulated to be used with a machine, thats megs new rubbing compound and its good for compounding the tight and tough spots like near emblems and its pretty much safe, the main difference is that they use different abrasvies, UC uses SMAT and the rubbing compound uses DAT

ScratchX and SwirlX is also SMAT based products but they are much much less aggressive, scratchx being the more aggressive also for spot treatments and swirlx being the safest among them all, you see if you're using rubbing compound you might actually leave some compound swirls and scratches that should be removed by using a finer polish and this is where scratchx and swirlx comes in, its pretty much like in detail shops, once they use compounds its not glossy because the surface because isn't really smooth and fine so they use finer polishes to further refine the surface to improve the gloss, we even go up to a ultra fine polish to make the paint look like a mirror without any wax or sealant.

As with this sunday, why don't you catch up after your church?

[Nik]

not sure pa po if makakapunta ko.. mag church po kasi kami with family.

thanks at ok pala ang system polish !! ^_^ so yun ang gagamitin ko pong CLEANER??

m21 VS NXT = ano po suggestion nyo ? bibili palang po kasi ako kaya nag iisip na para hindi masayang money. sino mas nakaka pag seal sakanila? durability?

meaning po ng depth and warmth?? gusto ko po sana wax na makakapag paitim

[Hardinero]

For most detailers here yes they use kerosene, i only know one detailer that really uses body solvents instead of kerosene and thats actually our mentor and he's an american, but even we use kerosene because its really cheaper and it does a nice job.

As for how we use it, we don't dilute the kerosene with water, we just wash the whole car and then once done, we just spray kerosene directly onto the paint and let it sit for a good 3 to 5 minutes, spray again and remove it with a dedicated MF cloth or Terry towel.

Its quite safe to use every month although i don't think its neccessary, quarterly however is a good practice, and it is safe as long as you totally remove the kerosene, once we've removed all visible asphalts we wash the whole vehicle again and we use our fingers to test for any kerosene residue by looking for a squeeking sound, we sometimes also use a biodegreaser to help remove the kerosene making the washing process a lot easier. and don't forget to follow it up with a coating of wax

its ok if they spray kerosene on the whole car just as long as they thoroughly wash the whole car and don't leave any residue behind.

as far as i know it won't thin your clear coat, and we've used this for hundreds of car already and its pretty much safe except for one instance when our friend left his car soaked in kerosene and ran out to fetch his kids on sunday school and totally forgot about it, he remembered it when he came back at night thinking why his car was blurry and he washed the car down again to see that the paint sort of blurred a bit, but we just used a cleaner wax machine applied and the blur was gone so its really nothing serious.

its ok if the asphalt affected parts are only the lower part of the car, but there are some instance that it reaches even up to the windows

thanks ma'am... kaya lang medyo takot ako na purong kerosene gamitin like baka may kerosene residue akong di matanggal...is it ok lang ba na to dillute it with 50/50 with water?

you mentioned po yung biodegreaser, what brand po would you recommend? and how to use it?

yung sa cleaner wax naman madam, may maliit pa ako nito after applying po ba neto eh pwede na agad sundan ng sealant? ilan oras ang waiting time bago patungan ng sealant...

thanks again madkatz...

[PSI]

Hi guys.... sowi...dami meetings.... all work no detailing makes PSI a dull detailer BWAHAHAHAHA


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[PSI]

[SIZE=4]WHAT: WASH & LEARN[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]WHEN: 07.25.10 (SUNDAY)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]TIME: 8:30 AM[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]WHERE: MASTER'S DOJO (CALOOCAN)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]ACTIVITY: DETAIL YOUR OWN CAR[/SIZE]

[SIZE=4]WHAT TO BRING: EVERYTHING YOU USE IN DETAILING YOUR CAR [/SIZE]

[SIZE=4]para sa mga malilimutin:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]1) 2 buckets (3 kung medyo OC kayo , sino kaya ?)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]2) car shampoo [/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]3) wash meet[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]4) MFs (suggest you bring a LOT)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]5) wax (kung ano gusto ninyo ilagay sa oto ninyo..from wax cleaners to 915)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]6) tire black ( let's see what you guys are using)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]7) towel for drying.... elite anyone?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]8) blow dryer (o yung mga meron neto dalin ninyo)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]9) polisher/rop/makina/unano etc....[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]10) glass cleaner/kerosene..... brake fluid anyone?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]11) clay bar (tagal neto)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]12) ah...yes yung dilaw na pinapahiran ng wax or yung violet na galing microtex??...ah applicator hehehehe![/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]13) QD[/SIZE]

[SIZE=4]OBJECTIVE: to correct some bad habits/erroneous procedures in detailing your cars. These include buffing properly.[/SIZE]


[SIZE=4]*before lunch we should be finished waxing......lecture and product briefing included[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]**those who wish to know more about the proper way of using the polishers may stay after lunch [/SIZE]

[SIZE=4]ONLY 6 CARS will be used...[/SIZE]

[SIZE=4]WASH & LEARN (6 SLOTS ONLY)[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=4]WATCH & LEARN[/SIZE]
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[jmpet626]

ONLY 6 CARS will be used...

WASH & LEARN (6 SLOTS ONLY)
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[rockstar5k]

Naku poh! sayang! Try ko po sumama sa after lunch activity.....ubusan na naman ng pera to!

Anyway guys, speaking of ASRP...share ko lang po itong link na ito. It helped me alot in choosing ASRP to fix my paint problem nung nabangga ng motorbike honda city ko. Two thumbs up ako sa product na ito.

Click Here

[jmpet626]

*jmpet626: heres the link to my post

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...t-bonding.html

i actually feel like i didn't get my answer regarding the topic but anyways, see we've just tested some glazes topped with KSG and we noticed that it does in a noticeable way affect the sealants durability, so i was asking for the good ones and i didn't quite get my answer but anyways, i found my answer from our mentor he recommended an acrylic glaze he said he'll ship over to us from the US its a purely acrylic glaze that makes KSG and polymers bond to it properly, its one of the few glazes that doesn't have any oils in it, but it costs a damn 150$ for 64oz but we're taking the bite since we can pay him later at September. and PB blackhole also works great on sealants so far, but we're still on the 6th week mark of checking its effect on KSG, i just hope it can last longer and not affect KSG at all so far all other glazes with KSG have already died down on beading and shine and right now only PB blackhole stands strong

also regarding the scratches, remember the hoods you guys used to practice rotary buffing? i've already tried wet sanding the thing and buffing it out again but it still has swirls in it, and if you look close enough i think its like the panel has been paint and then swirled and then painted again with clear coat because no matter how many times we compound the panel the same scratches always appear, so right now we're ruling out surface defect it looks like a painting defect already i think the painter got lazy and just sprayed on some clear coat without properly checking if the surface was swirl free before wet sanding the panel and laying the CC

Parang neutral yung sagot ni mike walang product na na recommend talaga/ Pero i think para maging fair sa mga suppliers nila since ang dami nilang products na inoofer sa autogeek.

[madkatz]

not sure pa po if makakapunta ko.. mag church po kasi kami with family.

thanks at ok pala ang system polish !! ^_^ so yun ang gagamitin ko pong CLEANER??

m21 VS NXT = ano po suggestion nyo ? bibili palang po kasi ako kaya nag iisip na para hindi masayang money. sino mas nakaka pag seal sakanila? durability?

meaning po ng depth and warmth?? gusto ko po sana wax na makakapag paitim

yes you could use that as a cleaner but step 1 still cleans better, step 2 is more on enhancing gloss

honestly m21 is very expensive and thats the only reason why i don't recommend it as much but if you ask me m21 wins two hands down and it definitely offers far superior protection and gloss

thats actually what warmth and depth is, its the sort of deeper liquid look and sort of darker as well so for that look its NXT for you

[madkatz]

thanks ma'am... kaya lang medyo takot ako na purong kerosene gamitin like baka may kerosene residue akong di matanggal...is it ok lang ba na to dillute it with 50/50 with water?

you mentioned po yung biodegreaser, what brand po would you recommend? and how to use it?

yung sa cleaner wax naman madam, may maliit pa ako nito after applying po ba neto eh pwede na agad sundan ng sealant? ilan oras ang waiting time bago patungan ng sealant...

thanks again madkatz...

well its pretty safe actually if you use it pure, just make sure you pass every part of your car with a washmitt with shampoo and your good to go, well to be honest there's no point in mixing water and kerosene since they actually don't mix hehe it may appear at time that they might mix at some point when you shake it but they really don't so even if you mix water what happens is you still put pure kerosene on the paint so its just a waste of effort, don't think too much about kerosene affecting the paint just concentrate on how you wash your car and all will be fine, try to attend this sunday if all goes well and see how they do it

the biodegreaser we use isn't readily sold in the market yet, but there are better ones out there, one of the famous things we use is simple green orange, just dilute the solution to 1part solution 4 part water and spray on to the kerosened area, leave it to soak a bit before you wash you car, this basically just removes the majority of the kerosene on the paint making washing a lot easier

as for the cleaner wax, once you wipe it really clean and once you're done you can already start applying your sealant, there is no waiting time for that, but if you want to layer your sealants then you would need to wait 24 hours to layer your new layer of sealant with the previous one and thats what we call curing time

[madkatz]

Naku poh! sayang! Try ko po sumama sa after lunch activity.....ubusan na naman ng pera to!

Anyway guys, speaking of ASRP...share ko lang po itong link na ito. It helped me alot in choosing ASRP to fix my paint problem nung nabangga ng motorbike honda city ko. Two thumbs up ako sa product na ito.

Click Here

haha i've actually come across that site before and yeah it does help out a lot in helping you decide which product can yield what results, but if im not mistaken AG SRP has the edge over KSG because AG SRP contains mild polishes where as KAIO is milder towards the paint. and yeah i agree that AG SRP finishes slightly better than KAIO

[madkatz]

Parang neutral yung sagot ni mike walang product na na recommend talaga/ Pero i think para maging fair sa mga suppliers nila since ang dami nilang products na inoofer sa autogeek.

yeah i guess you're right, but he did mention m03 machine glaze and m81 hand glaze, i've already tried both but im still with PB blackhole glaze-wise

[Nik]

salamat mam NXT na po gagamitin ko darker paint need ko kasi haha Bold beige kasi color ng honda city namin... sagwa pag light color eh hehe..

how much yung m21? gano ba sya kamahal?

ano po magandang step1 na meguiars.. mejo nalilito na ako ..

step1 clay step 2 polish step3 wax o mali ba?

[jmpet626]

*rockstar5k

kelan ka kuha polisher? Sabay na tayo punta sa sunday!

[Nik]

salamat mam NXT na po gagamitin ko darker paint need ko kasi haha Bold beige kasi color ng honda city namin... sagwa pag light color eh hehe..

how much yung m21? gano ba sya kamahal?

ano po magandang step1 na meguiars.. mejo nalilito na ako ..

step1 clay step 2 polish step3 wax o mali ba?

after ko mag basa basa ng konti , yung step 1 is mga cleaners? tapos step 2 pang polish?

so bukod sa DC system polish need ko din ng DC paint cleaner as my step 2 and 1??

[madkatz]

salamat mam NXT na po gagamitin ko darker paint need ko kasi haha Bold beige kasi color ng honda city namin... sagwa pag light color eh hehe..

how much yung m21? gano ba sya kamahal?

ano po magandang step1 na meguiars.. mejo nalilito na ako ..

step1 clay step 2 polish step3 wax o mali ba?

hmmm if its beige better just go for a wax thats great for white and light cars like collinite liquid sapphire, it can really make it stand out by making the paint really look clean

the m21 costs up to 1.5 to 2k for the 16 oz

there is such a product as Meguiars Step 1, both mothers and megs step 1 are great products and they're basically the same, megs and mothers step 2 is the one that has a more noticeable difference.

it would be, clay then step 1, then step 2, then wax

[madkatz]

after ko mag basa basa ng konti , yung step 1 is mga cleaners? tapos step 2 pang polish?

so bukod sa DC system polish need ko din ng DC paint cleaner as my step 2 and 1??

step 1 = yes its cleaners that clean the paint of any contaminants making it ready to accept polishes and waxes

step 2 = usually used after step one to bring more gloss to the paint and then followed by wax

so yes its either Megs Step 1 and 2 or Moms Step 1 and 2

[Nik]

mam madkatz gusto ko po sana maging darker pa yung color eh. ayaw ko maging light color sya lalo dami nyo po nabibigay na info.. salamat

question: after mag carwash sa CASA.. bakit mukang dark yung bold beige namin? ano kaya yung nilalagay nila para maging darker yung color.. gusto ko talaga mas maging dark pa... TIA..

[madkatz]

mam madkatz gusto ko po sana maging darker pa yung color eh. ayaw ko maging light color sya lalo dami nyo po nabibigay na info.. salamat

question: after mag carwash sa CASA.. bakit mukang dark yung bold beige namin? ano kaya yung nilalagay nila para maging darker yung color.. gusto ko talaga mas maging dark pa... TIA..

i wouldn't know what the casa did but if you want darker paint try using 915 and 3m IHG to make it a little darker

[Nik]

thanks mam sali ko din sila sa options ko