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[madkatz]

after i wipe down the IPA 50/50. i will dry the car first then i can apply the AG SRP at once? dami ko na natutunan kay madkatz...thanks you!


nabasa ko din ung RIDS malaking helo yun sa pagdedetail ko...

Okay lets put it this way, lets assume you've just finished polishing your paint lets say you just finished one panel, normally you would remove the polish residues using a MF towel right? just to check if the correction has been made, once you wipe the panel, you then spritz some 50/50 solution on the panel and wipe it with a different clean MF cloth to remove the oils from the polishes to see if its really corrected before you move to the next panel, once the whole car is done you can now apply AG SRP, or if you really want to be sure, mist some 50/50 solution to the paint and let it dry before you apply AG SRP, usually after misting and wiping with a good MF cloth its usually dry already enough to apply AG SRP

you see sometimes when you polish the paint and wipe if off with an MF cloth, you could see a clear paint in front of you, but give it a few washes or mist some 50/50 solution and sometimes it might reveal some swirls again, this is because some of the polish oils actually filled the scratches so they look perfect, the reason why we use the IPA wipedown method is to remove those residues so you could clearly see if you've made the correction not filled by some oils

[Nik]

it depends Megs step 2 can give a clearer and slightly better finish but Moms Step 2 can fill swirls and scratches which Megs Step 2 doesn't have

what do you mean rubbing or system polish? you mean rubbing compound Vs Step 1? if you have a lot of swirls already, step 1 can't really remove those swirls only make them slightly less visible and step 1 can only remove those ultra fine swirls nothing more, for light to moderate and heavier swirls its definitely rubbing compound

no step 1 for me is to be used about only 2 to 4 times a year, step 2 can be used monthly or every other week but regular usage for step 1 is usually twice a year, step 2 quarterly, glaze is monthly and wax is also monthly but in our case i guess every 2 weeks is a good practice, doing step 1 to 3 every week is over kill and in most ways a waste of time

ibig po sabihin ang meguiar's step1 which is deep crystal system paint cleaner ay abrasive? nag babawas talaga sya ng clear coat ?!?!

[madkatz]

yung megs deepcrystal system paint cleaner san po sya sa step 1 to 3 ??

ang pag kaka alam ko lang po kasi step 1 ko yung deep crsytal system paint cleaner para malinis lahat ng dumi.. tapos step 2 yung pang alis ng konting clearcoat para sa swirls mild lang..or kung may ma susugest po kayo ano maganda... tapos step 3 yung wax na like 915

yung pag kakaintindi ko po sa step 1 to 3 nyo ganto step1: UC, step2: polish step3:wax, asan po yung paint cleaner??

it would fall under step 1's category

and yes the paint cleaner will clean the paint

step 2 will just refine the paint to improve the gloss, only ultra fine swirls are removed by this stage so its that safe for the paint

3m ihg would fill in those swirls and scratches left that step 2 didn't cover

and step 3 is the waxing step

using Megs UC as step 1 is overkill, UC is used for moderate to heavy defect removal already, so your step 1 will be the paint cleaner not UC

using UC as step 1 is for step 1 of defect removal not paint maintenance

ok here's how it goes

if you're just maintaining a properly maintained car

then the procedures will be

1. clay
2. step 1-paint cleaner/prewax cleaner
3. step 2
4. glaze - IHG
5. wax - 915

now if you will be doing an exterior detail that entails correcting the paint and removing swirls then the procedure will be

1. clay
2. rubbing compound - UC
3. polish - swirlx
4. step 2
5. glaze
6. wax

[madkatz]

*nik: to be specific yes it does reduce clear coat, but not at all significant, its just a little more aggressive than step 2, but like step 2 its also very safe for the clear coat and is paint safe, its that safe that even if you use it every month for the next 10 years a OEM painted car will still have enough clear coat for exterior details and such, so when we mention the word abrasive don't be alarmed its basically just how we define what cleaners the products uses to clean the paint and in this case its abrasives, think of it like a facial scrub for the paint, it doesn't really peel off the paint but the fine abrasives help scrub out imperfections

[Nik]

thankyou madkatz !!

dami ko nalaman ulit.. pero naiisip ko bakit pa mag step2 kung nilinis na ni step1 ang paint no dirt and grime at malinis na talaga gawa ni step 1.. mas angat ng konti pag ka abrasive ni step 1 so mas linis nga.. ano naman gagawin ni step 2 na mas mild ang pagka abrasive? gagawin nya mirror look yung paint? hindi na ba ginawa ni step1 yun?

hindi ba po pwede alisin ko isa sa dalwa (step1 / step2)??

[weszt]

Okay lets put it this way, lets assume you've just finished polishing your paint lets say you just finished one panel, normally you would remove the polish residues using a MF towel right? just to check if the correction has been made, once you wipe the panel, you then spritz some 50/50 solution on the panel and wipe it with a different clean MF cloth to remove the oils from the polishes to see if its really corrected before you move to the next panel, once the whole car is done you can now apply AG SRP, or if you really want to be sure, mist some 50/50 solution to the paint and let it dry before you apply AG SRP, usually after misting and wiping with a good MF cloth its usually dry already enough to apply AG SRP

you see sometimes when you polish the paint and wipe if off with an MF cloth, you could see a clear paint in front of you, but give it a few washes or mist some 50/50 solution and sometimes it might reveal some swirls again, this is because some of the polish oils actually filled the scratches so they look perfect, the reason why we use the IPA wipedown method is to remove those residues so you could clearly see if you've made the correction not filled by some oils

ah that's the purpose of applying the IPA, its to reveal the swirl that might be still in the paint and oil removal. thanks a lot madkatz....

[madkatz]

thankyou madkatz !!

dami ko nalaman ulit.. pero naiisip ko bakit pa mag step2 kung nilinis na ni step1 ang paint no dirt and grime at malinis na talaga gawa ni step 1.. mas angat ng konti pag ka abrasive ni step 1 so mas linis nga.. ano naman gagawin ni step 2 na mas mild ang pagka abrasive? gagawin nya mirror look yung paint? hindi na ba ginawa ni step1 yun?

hindi ba po pwede alisin ko isa sa dalwa (step1 / step2)??

step 2 will further improve the gloss of the paint, and no step 1 cannot fully improve the paint to the point that step 2 can greatly improve gloss, if you were to remove one and if you have clay then you could remove step 1

[Nik]

step 2 will further improve the gloss of the paint, and no step 1 cannot fully improve the paint to the point that step 2 can greatly improve gloss, if you were to remove one and if you have clay then you could remove step 1

the description of megs step1 says non-abrasive daw sya.. totoo kaya to or abrasive talaga sya? to make things clear (for my head) i may use step1=DeepCrystal Paint Cleaner every month? step2=DeepCrystal Polish every month? 3m IHG and 915 weekly. clay quarterly.

[rico_g]

ONLY 6 CARS will be used...

WASH & LEARN (6 SLOTS ONLY)
1) psi
2) jmpet626
3) Chikselog
4)
5)
6)
+++++++++++++++
WATCH & LEARN
1) azzkkr2600 -- tentative
2)
3)
4)

*madkatz
Yes ma'am I'll bring your glass cleaner .

*all
Hey ano na ba dadalhin ko haha. Civic? Para may guinea pig (doors lang)?

Calling Master PSI, kailangan ba ng guinea pig?

bad trip... d ako makakasama... very keenly interested in these topics pa naman... argh!!!

yung mga newbie jan.. this is a highly recommended session!!! up ko to!

[bombitmd]

ONLY 6 CARS will be used...

WASH & LEARN (6 SLOTS ONLY)
1) psi
2) jmpet626
3) Chikselog
4)
5)
6)
+++++++++++++++
WATCH & LEARN
1) azzkkr2600 -- tentative
2)
3)
4)

Hindi pa ako sure kung makakapunta ko; depende kung pupunta ng divisoria wife ko Kung pupunta siya, punta ako! Wash and Learn ako unless ma-puno before ako makapag confirm.

[indiej]

Hmmm well like i said try to avoid using ONR for now lets see if ONR can really be the culprit regarding 476 losing its beading abilities, although in the US ONR is actually used most of the time to preserve wax but lets just do a real test, try to stay away from ONR for now and use some other QD, except for nanosliq as well ok since it has beading properties

i'd suggest to still use it at least on half or a quarter of the panel you're judging so you'll get a better observation.

[rockstar5k]

well if you ask me, bottomline is if you could dedicate time to learn rotary buffing then just go for BnD since you could get better results and if you get the BnD the price difference with the PC can already buy you the pads and products that you need, learning rotary just really needs time and practice to work.

Thanks miss Madkatz.

[PSI]

*MADKATZ/CHICK.....
the only simmilar thing that Chick and I do is the constant usage of the MICROTEX dust remover.... the altis was only being used to bring and fetch my daughter from her school wich is only 5 minutes drive from the house and thats it.... beading is not that good anymore after 3 days...considering its not raining.... I ALREADY USED FLEET....... so what I did was to waxed it last sunday and have not used the duster since then.. yesterday morning I washed it with shampoo... when my wife used it last night beading was still intact... so I washed it again with shampoo this morning and beading was still intact.....will keep you posted..... I believe there's some oil in the duster that depletes the wax...... let's see.....

*RICO.....HOY UMATEND KA NA>>>>> di ko na nenenok mags mo

[mf051404]

Yung sa casa sa honda spa at sa alabang car wash lang yun eh pag nagpa PMS nga ko hindi ko na pinapa wash kasi nakikita ko yung paraan ng pag wash nila parang mga car wash lang sa kanto yung style.


yung 476s naka sale dati 700 at yung 915 1200 sa may distributor ng collinite sa may laguna.

From collinite website

Pero since monthly naman ako nag wawax mas prefer ko yung 915.

Nakabili din ako dati, P700 lang kasi 50% rainy days discount (buti na lang bumili na ako dalawa, tapos cling wrap ko yung isa para hindi matuyo habang naka-stock)..ngayon wala na nga promo, naging P1900 pa ang isang tub (which is only half the size of 915, 915 costs P2300)...so kung ico-compare parang P3800 ang same size ng 476s...malamang tumaas ang demand for 476s...and I think that would tell the difference..

[makoy_01]

good day po!! tanong ko lang kung anong masdurable sa dalawa dupont wax or mothers wax?

[mf051404]

I just cleaned the lower part of the car dahil maputik siya by using ONR cleaning QD solution after hosing the car down. This is what I did.

While the lower part of the car is still wet, inispray-an ko ng ONR na parang nagperform na rin ako ng waterless wash (maraming sprays), yun nga lang mas mataas na concentration na ONR ang gamit ko. I sprayed on the left doors, and then on the right.

Tapos pinunasan ko na using my cheap but clean MF towel starting from the left doors, I was surprised because di ko inasahan na hindi ganoon ka-dumi yung MF, I mean yes marumi siya pero di ko ineexpect na "ganun kadumi lang". Hehe.

And it's as clean as a newly washed car hehe.

Grabe pala ang Collinite 476S, ngayon ko lang mas lalong naaappreciate beading nya haha. Iba talaga kapag bagong apply, takot na takot ang tubig sa paint.

BTW ma'am madkatz, pansin ko po mabilis maubos 476S ko, in 1 week, the beading is not that good as new na so I wax every week. Is this normal? Mahinhin na rin ako magpunas hehe.

And before I go home from school, I always dust the car off. Kapag umulan, I wipe the hood, roof and trunk dry (not totally dry). Palagi akong napapansin ng mga blockmates ko hehe.

In my case, napansin ko once na wala na beading sa lower part ng doors na mas mabilis dumumi...pero after cleaning the car (without re-applying 476s) then nung naulanan parang bumalik yung beading (so it means nandun pa din 476s?)

[dotnetmatt]

Migz, been using ONR QD with 1:16 dillution on top of 476s for 4 days now. Didnt have any problems, I noticed that it beads better. I applied 476s more than 2 weeks now.

[Nik]

Nakabili din ako dati, P700 lang kasi 50% rainy days discount (buti na lang bumili na ako dalawa, tapos cling wrap ko yung isa para hindi matuyo habang naka-stock)..ngayon wala na nga promo, naging P1900 pa ang isang tub (which is only half the size of 915, 915 costs P2300)...so kung ico-compare parang P3800 ang same size ng 476s...malamang tumaas ang demand for 476s...and I think that would tell the difference..

ano po difference ng 476 sa 915? sabi po halos same beading tapos mas durable si 476. ano pa po pinag kaiba? dami na may gamit ng 476 at tuwang tuwa sila sa result. ganun din kaya ako katuwa pag ginamit ko 915? mas mabuti nang paghandaan kesa bumili agad ako 2.3k pala yun.

915 2,300 petot sure na ba to? san nabibili to?? grabe ang mahal pala nasira mga plano ko. may nagbebenta ba sa inyo ng 915? how much? 476 may nag sabi 900 petot daw so x2 1.8k.. pero gusto ko padin malaman pinag kaiba nila isusugal ko yung money sa 2.3k (915) kung mas maganda 915 sa plans ko.

[madkatz]

i'd suggest to still use it at least on half or a quarter of the panel you're judging so you'll get a better observation.

thats a great suggestion might also consider that thanks

[madkatz]

the description of megs step1 says non-abrasive daw sya.. totoo kaya to or abrasive talaga sya? to make things clear (for my head) i may use step1=DeepCrystal Paint Cleaner every month? step2=DeepCrystal Polish every month? 3m IHG and 915 weekly. clay quarterly.

i think they said its non abrasive to not scare people that they might be removing a lot of clear coat when using this product, you see if they say its abrasive then people would think its on the same level as swirlx or UC which is more than 10 times more aggressive than Step 1, so yes it has abrasives but it just doesn't remove a significant or quantifiable amount of clear coat so thats why they call it non abrasive because again like i said its paint safe, and yes it could be used every month same with step 2, 3m IHG and clay can also be used everyday but its a waste of time so the weekly and monthly thing is just a recommended schedule for usage and maintenance.