Oh yeah one other thing, if you're planning on getting optimum products from him you might also want to get the claybar since he's sellings it below SRP, as for optimum products, they're really good, they're part of our most recommended products and we won't be investing on the brand if its not that good and economical being its main selling point, at first you would think they're expensive but they are made to be diluted to when you take into consideration that part they are cheap






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