Detailing Thread [For Newbies][ARCHIVED]

[supercar10]

Before you do anything to fix those scratches, you should solve your cat problem first. Like it or not, your cat has already designated your innova as its home. Aakyat yan ng aakyat, at mamanchanan at gagasgasin.

If you fix those scratches now, the following day, pwede ka muli magka-scratch because of your cat.

Get a car cover or find another way to dissuade your cat from climbing the car.

Then that's the time you should consider repairing the damage.

problem solved! we made siopao. yummy! no more cat scratches!

can you recommend what car wash products to use to clean and protect our shiny black car pls.?

[madkatz]

hey guys any advices and tips on how to detail flooded cars? lets help those flooded victims of ondoy on how to DIY detail or what to immediately do to prevent further damage to their cars, lets try to make an outline or a list of steps

[madkatz]

here are some advises from my friends in the auto and racing industry

1. remove the battery terminals, although chances are you won't get grounded anymore since your battery is already shorted, still try to wear a glove or use a dry rag to keep your hands insulated when removing the battery, when removing the battery remove the ground cable first, usually the black one

2. Remove any part of the car's interior that can easily be removed and put back, separate the seat covers if you have them, and let them dry out in the sun, the suns UV rays should do the trick in killing molds and most fungal problems, this will also help a lot in removing the awful smell. but if its really flooded all the way to the roof, better get big berts to do it for you.

Also some people suggested rubbing baking soda in your carpet and seats scrubbing it with a soft bristle brush and then spray a little white vinegar with equal parts of water and let it kill whatever fungi, mold or bacteria there is, another one suggested using plain car shampoo diluted with water and for one pail add 2 cap fulls of zonrox (preferably the one thats more gentle on fabrics) I honestly have never tried these stuffs and there are concerns with my friends as to whether these procedures can change the color or remove the color of upholstery and carpets, but since we're left with no choice we're gonna try it tomorrow morning and let you guys know what happens, also it would be nice if someone can confirm if this is a good practice, these are just suggestions from other friends and some car detailing shops we went to a while ago that unfortunately was unable to accomodate us

3. With the battery safely removed, as stated above, clean and hose down the car with running water and dry it with a blower or a clean dry cloth, and then spray the electrical components with contact cleaner, and this is just an added tip i got, you could also try to wipe the rusted dirty and greasy parts ( not painted surfaces! ) with kerosene, this is supposed to be a good cleaning agent at the same time it can provide the car with a small layer of oil to prevent further rusting. You could also use some vacum cleaners with a reverse function where it can be turned to a blower to dry your engine bay.

4. For those flooded to the roof, its always better to have the professional check your car either at home or have it towed, but if your car wasn't flooded all the way to the top or flooded over the engine and air filter and if you are feeling a bit confident that your car can start and is planning to give it a shot, try these things, check your engine oil dipstick, pull it out to see if it has bubbles of water, if it has water, better have it towed to the nearest gas station and chances are you're in at least for a change oil, check your air filter, check if the filters are clogged with dirt and mud especially if you see the lower part of your air filter thats discolored, chances are water has got inside, again have it checked, next find a make shift dipstick to check your fuel, same style with checking your engine oil, if you see water upon checking, have it towed to the nearest gas station and have it professionally changed. if everything looks ok and if you still wanna give it a try, go ahead its your car, although i strongly suggest you have a professional check it, a friends neighbor in talayan tried to start his car and it went from bad to worse, what we did was hire a mechanic and drove him around my friends houses to check each one if we can start it.

5. In the recent surge of customers towards kasa's car shops, and detailing shops, i would strongly recommend that you go to those places that are known for their services, i would personally prefer to spend a little more and wait a little longer and have reputed people to do the services for me rather than some shop which i don't know, chances are there are some opportunistic shops out there that just rush jobs to get a faster customer turn over in short you end up with a "Minadali na trabaho" which could in the worse of scenario's leave you unhappy and worse just waste your money. So its sometimes better to leave it to the really good professionals not just those that get paid for mediocre services

[groucho]

I was told to spray Lysol on the floor and the carpet of the car, on the areas that got wet. That way, you address the problem of mold and mildew, which actually give the bad odor.

[Para Ordenance]

Need comments on my step by step detailing.

1. Wash car w/ shampoo
2. Dry
3. Clay w/ Quick Detailer
4. 3m Imperial Hand Glaze
5. Mother's Showtime

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Ganyan ang ginagawa ko nitong nakaraang mga linggo. Ano po maganda ipang-last step. Mother's pure carnuba or yung mother's top coat?

Ok na ba yung 3m IHG, hindi ko na ba kelangan yung Mother's Sealer/Glaze. Mura lang kasi yung IHG and may sachet sya at satisfied naman ako sa results.

[madkatz]

In my Opinion

1. Wash
2. Dry
3. Clay
4. 3m IHG or Moms Step 2
5. 3m SCLW or Moms Step 3 or any other LSP

You could use either Mothers Step 2 or 3m IHG, i guess it depends on your preference, for me 3m IHG has more shine but a lot harder to remove though especially when left to dry, Mothers Step 2 has a little less shine but has filling properties than can mask and conceal swirls and very light scratches.

What i do is first use Moms Step 2 to hide the swirls, and then if its good i go straight to LSP, if im not happy with the results however ( not enough shine ), i put on IHG or Megs 7. After a month or so, if the swirls are still masked and hidden i skip Moms Step 2 and go straight to IHG or Megs 7.

As for the LSP's, If you're gonna use the 3m IHG i would recommend you also use the 3m Show Car Liquid Wax, since they work quite well together and it also comes in sachets at the same price as the IHG in Ace the last time i bought mine. If you're gonna use Moms Step 2, then better go get the a Moms LSP since its also made to work with each other.

As for your topcoat or carnuba concern. That would depend on how much time you have, how often can you wax your car, and how well pampered your car is being one factor. And for aesthetics, whats your car's color being another factor.

If you have enough time that you can wax your car, 1.) Once every 2 weeks, if its a daily drive without parking area cover, OR 2.) every month if you car is parked in a covered parking area and well maintained since you use Showtime, then i would recommend using Moms Step 3 Pure Carnauba. Moms Carnauba works well in giving a very wet look to your car but the protection it offers is shorter than compared to Top Coat. Works well with yellow-orange, yellow, red and blue cars.

If you have a daily drive without parking area cover and only have time to lets say apply LSP every month especially with the weather nowadays. I would recommend you use Top Coat. Top Coat gives a very clean mirror like crisp shine, but its looks is very synthetic though not as wet as Moms Step 3 (its synthetic anyway). Top Coat works well with very dark paints, especially black and Dark Grey, it will give you that sleek shine especially if its spanking clean in broad daylight. Based on my experience, Top Coat usually lasts about up to 2 weeks longer compared to Moms Step 3.

If you have a preference over Mothers Products, i would also recommend you get a FX Spray Wax (Lighter Colored Car) or a Reflections Advance Spray Wax (Darker Colored Car). Use a little after your weekly wash and dry routine and buff with a MF towel. A bottle of this goes a very long way, i use only 2 sprays per panel 3 on the hood. This would really extend your LSP's protection and durability especially nowadays with our weather, enhance the gloss of your paint and give it that newly waxed feel. And then just use Showtime for quick detailing touch up and clean ups during the week.

Hope this helps.

[Para Ordenance]

Woah, thanks.

My car is bright red in color btw.

Try ko muna yung 3M IHG paired with 3M SCLW combo. Then I'll see if the results satisfy me.

After maubos siguro nung mga sachets, then i'll give a try kay mother's S/G and pure carnuba when my allowance allows me.

I do wax my car at least every 2 or 3 weeks depending on my free time, minsan weekly kapag walang school.

[theveed]

Para, is that your car in your avatar? OEM BMW Red? If so, your car has a single-stage paint, try to achieve depth instead of just gloss. I recommend finishing it up with a rich wax like Meg 26

[Para Ordenance]

Yes, stock paint pa sya ng BMW.

I think I need a simple lecture on this.

What is a single stage paint? Isang lang ang paint nya (1 coat lang) so wala din clear coat?

What's the difference between depth and gloss?

Thanks in advance.

[PareKoy]

Hi mga sirs,

I need your help badly. There are some white stains on my hood and hood only. I'm not sure if this is the paint fading or kung may mantsa lang. Texture is still smooth though not as smooth as other parts of the car. I'm guessing it has something to do with the heat since sa hood lang meron. At first parang nawala lang ang kintab but lately it's gotten worse. Parang may white mantsa na! Halp pls hehe

Here are the pics:





Thanks mga guru!

Edit: I just read the thread on the 1st page about paint oxidation.. Is this the case?

[Para Ordenance]

Naglalagay ka ba ng car cover sa kotse mo?

Kung oo, nababasa ba sya at nauulanan tapos nainitan ng araw habang basa?

[PareKoy]

sa bahay sir, covered parking naman.. kaso sa office, open parking lang

so sa office nga sir nauulanan tapos naarawan sya..

[Chikselog]

Do you guys recommend using Mom's step 1 even for those paints/clearcoats na for maintenance lang, and yung gustong ma-hide lalo ang swirls..? I'm about to detail na kasi at ngayon pa lang gagawin ang claying kaso kulang ko pa yung step 1.. Recommended po ba talaga ang step 1 for maximum results?

[Chikselog]

sorry double post

[j3ffry]

*PareKoy

Sir ganyan din sa N16 ko 3months ago. Due to car cover. Nabasa then natuyo sa araw pagtanggal ko ayun may white stain na rin. Sadly, repaint lang talaga ang solution dyan.

Thanks!

[PareKoy]

*PareKoy

Sir ganyan din sa N16 ko 3months ago. Due to car cover. Nabasa then natuyo sa araw pagtanggal ko ayun may white stain na rin. Sadly, repaint lang talaga ang solution dyan.

Thanks!

ganung ba sir, sorry to hear that.. CF hood na yan!!

Pero in my case, hindi ko naman nilalagyan ng car cover ung car ko..

sa bahay may bubong po pero sa office open parking lang pero hindi ko nilalagyan ng car cover..

[madkatz]

*chikselog: I would recommend Mom's Step 1 for maximum results, but if you are quite happy with your paint right now you can skip this part. On how i understand it Step 1 does not hide swirls, it just cleans your paint with chemical cleaners and very very mild abrasives, Step 2 hides and fills swirls. So for example your paint has scratches and its scratches are dark lines, Step 1 can make the dark lines become lighter towards the color of your paint. Another example would be if you have a dulled paint or a dirty paint where the stains can't be removed by thorough washing and claying, Step 1 usually does the trick in removing these stains. Another thing that i have noticed with Step 1 is that it can really improve shine and depth of neglected paint and make the color pop out more but in the process of cleaning and making your color seem more prevalent it also makes the defects appear more noticeable. And this is where Step 2 comes in.

*parekoy:

It kinda looks like it got applied with a bad batch of paint wax or something, Notice how the white spots are all over the windshield spray nozzle?

1. Do you wax regularly?

If you wax regularly and on the time these stains appeared, your car no longer has wax protection then it might be caused by lack of protection, normally the whole car should be affected if this is caused by water drying rapidly and if its the case of oxidation, but we have to take into consideration that the hood of the car suffers from more heat than any other paint panel so the wax on the hood is basically the first to wear off or wear thin.

2. What items or chemicals have you used so far?
(Shampoo, Polish, Wax, Protectant, Sealant, Glaze, Cleaner?)

I've had an incident where i bought a Waxco Windshield washer fluid and poured a measly amount on my black car's windshield reservioir and after using it, some washer fluids dripped from the nozzle to the front of the hood. It left a really really bad white stain on my black metallic paint. I thought it was time for panel repaint already but i decided to use Mom's Step 1 and it didn't totally remove the stain, tried APC fine liquid polish and worked it in the affected area and i had little improvement, lastly i tried Carlack AIO and it did the job of cleaning out the remaining stains. Another incident was when i used a very old paste version of finish 2001 by turtle wax, this is the very first version of F21 and applied it on my fireball red car and as i was applying it i noticed that the haze won't come off so i discontinued using it and had to have the paint repolished

3. Did you have an overheat a few days before this happened?

My friends Pajero that i worked with yesterday has some white stains too, its on the outside of the hood scoop and from the sides of the hood. What we did was use TW Polishing Compound, APC Super fine Liquid Polish and Moms Step 1, We used all 3 in the same order, applied using a BnD Rotary Polisher with yellow LC Pads and it did a pretty good job of removing a whole lot of it, its no longer noticeable from afar and when a bit close. You could only notice a slightly lighter area in the paint if you look really really close.

4. Just a thought, have you ever run the car for a very long time where the hood was really really hot and it suddenly rained?

5. Have you had your paint recently repainted or sprayed with a protective layer of paint protection? ( those like PPG, Dupont and Armor)

[madkatz]

Oops 2x post, somethings wrong with the forum lately, its kinda hard to send replies nowadays

[PareKoy]

*parekoy:

It kinda looks like it got applied with a bad batch of paint wax or something, Notice how the white spots are all over the windshield spray nozzle?

1. Do you wax regularly?

The car is 18 months old and I think I had it waxed a grand total of 5 times ( my fault for being cheap haha). Twice of which was done by mall carpark washboys and twice was done by denjo carwash at makati. Last one was done by myself personally a couple of weeks ago (wash - wax). The state of the hood was already like this at that time though.

2. What items or chemicals have you used so far?
(Shampoo, Polish, Wax, Protectant, Sealant, Glaze, Cleaner?)

Shampoo and wash only sir.

3. Did you have an overheat a few days before this happened?

Nope.

4. Just a thought, have you ever run the car for a very long time where the hood was really really hot and it suddenly rained?

yes, this has happened a couple of times specially after long drives.

5. Have you had your paint recently repainted or sprayed with a protective layer of paint protection? ( those like PPG, Dupont and Armor)

None sir.

Also, im a bit on a budget crunch. Budget is around 2k for detailing materials (I really want to DIY). Should I get moms claybar + moms step1 + Wax (3M sachet )? Or would moms step 1, 2,3 work better for my case? Also, for moms step 3, should i get liquid or paste?

Thanks very much for you help

[madkatz]

*Parekoy:

1. thats ok, my friends pajero never got washed in a span of 5 years its only car wash is when a heavy rain pours, but try to wax more often, if you plan on DIY then try to get more durable waxes if you can't wax that often, try Dupont Carnuaba Wax and Collinite, they really last a long time. You could check the net and the forums if you are interested, if im not mistaken some people here in the forum sells them, i know someone that sells collinite and i could refer you, but im also on the look out for someone selling Dupont since i ran out of it.

2. thats maam for you hahaha,

4. Have you noticed if the stains gradually get worse everytime you get long drives and suddenly it rains? I've read somewhere about what you call paint failures. One instance is when the engine gets really really hot coupled with a blaring sun and suddenly it rains cooling down the hood rapidly. Paint Failure can damage either clear coat only, color coat only, or both due to the rapid change in temperature, but these instances are very very rare. I've had an overheat accident one time driving to pagudpud the hood was so hot that time and when we were just about to pour water it suddenly rained really hard. My boyfriend thought it would be better to cover the car again and let the hood suffer rather than have the hot engine cool down rapidly and probably get more damage in the engine and radiator, so we covered the engine and waited for the rain to die down before we poured water. When we got to our destination my hood was a bit dull, what we did was buff it off when we got back to manila and it did the job pretty well.

That would depend on what you plan to achieve. At this point we're still not sure if step 1 can indeed totally remove or at least improve those stains on your car. So IMO, if you plan on fixing those stains on your car, Step 1 2 and 3 would make more sense since its like a paint rejuvenation process. Also in getting Step 1 2 and 3 the whole car would benefit from the added shine and gloss. Usually people buy Step 1 2 and 3 first and then buy the clay later on.

But if upon washing your car and while still wet and while it still has some soapy water try to run your hand across the paint panels, if you feel sand like or dust like particles stuck on your paint after washing with a wash mitt then you might be better off with Clay + Step 1 + Sachet Wax, especially if the other parts of your paint aside from those that has stains are still in good condition. If the other paint panels are still in good condition and has very little scratches or swirls, or if you don't consider removing swirls and light scratches immediately then this would also be the way to go.

I would recommend you get a paste wax version of Step 3 for the following reasons, Step 3 paste version creates a thicker layer of wax over your paint due to its chemical density in the process giving you more protection. Paste waxes in general are not easily absorbed by applicators as compared to liquid waxes getting more wax on the paint than inside the applicator. Paste waxes also require a lot less quantity to cover a whole car, and usually with paste waxes a little goes a long way. In my experience i've had more applications from paste waxes as compared to liquid waxes, i know the liquid is also cheaper but for me 1 paste wax is already about enough to compare with 1 and a half to 2 liquid wax bottles saving you more in the long run.

Hope this helps.