Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

[jamesvhong]

Mods baka pwede po i-move yung ibang message from PHUV thead.

Mga peeps dito po tayo post plans for PHUV EB and Planning of the said Prototype.

thanks!

[jamesvhong]

Prototype Phase:

* Marketing people
* Consumer
* Designers (Engineers, Architects, ITs, Businessman, etc.)

Production Phase:

* Investors
* Manufacturing
* Suppliers
* Aftersales Support


add nyo nalang po kung ano pa kailangan for developing PHUV.

[architect]

Pox, OyiL, and I did a chat conference last night. Dprox was in and out due to connection problems. Basically the following were discussed:

1. Models

Proposal is to come up with two models that will share as many components as possible. The first is the proposed AUV that can seat around 7-8 passengers and can be configured as a jeepney, van, pick-up or AUV.

The second is a kei-type car, though the actual size has not been really discussed. Considerations are a 7-passenger type ala Avanza or a really small 2 seater commuter car.

2. Design Philosophy

The models will be modular and will use as much off-the-shelf components, either as plug-in compatible parts or with adapters. However because this will vary the local content composition depending on actual customization of a specific unit, there may be implications re defining it as a PhUV, for tax break purposes.

3. Legal Entity

An entity will have to be set-up to process IPR, accredit third parties; maintain and disseminate compliance standards (website should be fine); provide online list of available service center/dealers/parts; and develop, deploy and maintain an online registry. Actual ownership has not been discussed but presumably, its charter will prevent any one party from owning more than 10% of outstanding stocks.

4. Royalties

No royalties will be charged (a la open source). This is to encourage existing third-party to support the platform. It will also afford smaller mom-and-pop operations to enter the market.

5. Third Party Manufacturers Accreditation

Manufacturers of the core vehicles will be accredited to ensure compliance re compatibility and quality. Conversely, a consortium can also be formed to build the core vehicles.

Third party manufacturers of the add-on or replacement parts will be accredited to ensure compatibility and quality standards.

6. Dealers/Service Centers Accreditation

Dealers/Service Centers will be accredited as well. Dealers are expected to register all transactions with the online database.

Service Centers are expected to upload all repair/maintenance transactions of all registered vehicles. All online registration transactions will be charged a nominal fee which the dealers/centers can pass on to the customers.

7. Online Database

The legal entity will manage the online database. Owners can register their vehicles to discourage theft. Registration is optional.

8. RFID/Zigbee Usage

The use of embedded RFID and/or Zigbee chips on the vehicle (and parts) can be used to automatically determine the rightful owner. Implementation details have not been discussed.

9. ECU/CAN Usage

Technical feasibility or economic viability not yet discussed.

10. LTO Accreditation

Presumably the vehicles will need LTO approval for registration purposes. We need to find out what the requirements are, if any.

11. Buyer Financing

Dealers may optionally offer institutional financing. Needs to be discussed further.

12. Insurance

The vehicles will need to qualify for insurance.

13. Government Incentives

There are several possible government incentives, including tax breaks.

14. Funding/Sponsorship

If we are able to formalize the project, complete with feasibility study, we should be able to get funding. Other ways of generating funding is to get prepaid buyers (kind of purchasing a condo unit that is still being built) or to get corporate sponsors.

This presumes of course that we can assemble a qualified team with sufficient credentials to be credible.

15. Competition

We need to assess present and future competition.

16. Group Members

As often stated in the thread, we need to assemble a complete qualified team or a team with access to pertinent required expertise. We are still lacking core expertise, especially in automotive design and engineering.

17. Tentative EB

March 25, 2006 2pm Figaro Santa Rosa


It goes without saying the above is extremely fluid. We may have even missed out a thing or two. At any rate hopefully at the EB we can complete the requirements and determine just how far we want to take the project – up to the prototype or all the way.

Admittedly, it is a long shot. But that is what makes the project even more challenging. Besides, even if we manage to build just a prototype, wouldn’t that be something already?

[OyiL]

*architect

about the models, parallel dev ba? if not, which one first.

[architect]

I would defer the project development schedule to the core group when it is finally formed although this shouldn't stop you from designing either one right now.

[Pox]

i just had a chat sa friend kong taga DENR, mandatory na daw na i-convert mga diesel engines para gumamit ng biofuels at di pure diesel.

since ang initial na ideas ay gumamit ng diesel engines, affordable ba ung conversions?

[OyiL]

with little or no modification, tatakbo daw.

What is Biodiesel?
Biodiesel is the name of a clean burning alternative fuel, produced from domestic, renewable resources. Biodiesel contains no petroleum, but it can be blended at any level with petroleum diesel to create a biodiesel blend. It can be used in compression-ignition (diesel) engines with little or no modifications. Biodiesel is simple to use, biodegradable, nontoxic, and essentially free of sulfur and aromatics.
.........
Is Biodiesel the same thing as raw vegetable oil?
No! Biodiesel is produced from any fat or oil such as soybean oil, through a refinery process called transesterification. This process is a reaction of the oil with an alcohol to remove the glycerin, which is a by-product of biodiesel production. Fuel-grade biodiesel must be produced to strict industry specifications (ASTM D6751) in order to insure proper performance. Biodiesel is the only alternative fuel to have fully completed the health effects testing requirements of the 1990 Clean Air Act Amendments. Biodiesel that meets ASTM D6751 and is legally registered with the Environmental Protection Agency is a legal motor fuel for sale and distribution. Raw vegetable oil cannot meet biodiesel fuel specifications, it is not registered with the EPA, and it is not a legal motor fuel.
http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/faqs/

[ehnriko]

Hello Everyone!

I wonder if I can join you in this forum. I am particularly interested in your topic... How far has the program or project gone since it started?

Is there any concept drawings already? If it is set to be launched 1st quarter this year, was it already launched?

Prototype Construction - anyone started it yet? Is this an open field where any entity can be a player? or is it limited only for the Philippine Auto Parts and Assemblers Manufacturers Association?

Is Dino Juan, Raymund Tomawan and Jojo Almazora involved here? Who is spearheading?

Please enlighten me. All help and accomodation to me will be much appreciated.

More Power!

P.S.

Lio, I have copied and pasted some vital information already from your threads.. but I could still use more official ones.

[OyiL]

WELCOME henrico!!

The forums, including this particular thread, is open to everybody willing to help in this project. Siyanga pala, it seems you got mixed-up. This project just started.....uh....last night. We don't have anything. Puro ideas pa lang. The official PhUV is the one that's coming out soon - 1st quarter 2007, like what the news mentioned. FMC, Dreamco, MVPMAP and its members are keeping their project top secret. Probably strategy nila yung additional "gulat" factor para malakas ang dating sa news - free publicity.

I dont know who those people you mentioned are, pero if they can and want to help...they too can join the project. OK ba yun? architect?

You mentioned in your email that you are an automotive designer. with your skills we can really move forward.

harinawa.

once again..WELCOME.

[architect]

Whoa - ehnriko is a automotive designer? He SHOULD join.

Actually as we discussed last night, anyone is welcomed. Of course, if they are not tsikot members, by default, they need to register. Otherwise they won't be able to post and contribute.

[OyiL]

I was thinking about the modularity feature thing and the nokia interchangeable covers and off-the-shelf parts. It seems that only the side panels and rear half of the roof ang magiging permanente sa design natin OK na.

[architect]

If we are going to support a pick-up configuration, even the rear half of the roof will have to be modular. Incidentally, for a pick-up, the bed should ideally accommodate the standard 4 x 8 plywood, hardiflex boards. I am not sure though what the repercussions will be re manufacturing costs, etc.

[jamesvhong]

galeng ng sketch mejo na incorporate yung jeep na modern masculine at tough yung dating, headlight po ba incorporated sa mitsubishi adventure?

Ganda nyan pag may step board, bull bar, roof rack at old school na mags.

Paano po pala and parts? Filipino manufactured din po ba?

[Syuryuken]

I was thinking about the modularity feature thing and the nokia interchangeable covers and off-the-shelf parts. It seems that only the side panels and rear half of the roof ang magiging permanente sa design natin OK na.

Ganda tong design mo kaya lang 5 seater lang. Pwede mo bang i-extend ng konti yung puwitan para maging 7-8 seater?

[OyiL]

galeng ng sketch mejo na incorporate yung jeep na modern masculine at tough yung dating, headlight po ba incorporated sa mitsubishi adventure?

Ganda nyan pag may step board, bull bar, roof rack at old school na mags.

Paano po pala and parts? Filipino manufactured din po ba?

thanks james!
we are planning to make it modular. which means..if the owner of the vehicle gets tired of the original factory installed parts(lalo na those that affect aesthetics), they can replace it with other styles from third party manufacturers. parang housing ng cellphone. the bumpers with its matching headlights, grilles and hood can be replaced. prug and pray

[OyiL]

If we are going to support a pick-up configuration, even the rear half of the roof will have to be modular. Incidentally, for a pick-up, the bed should ideally accommodate the standard 4 x 8 plywood, hardiflex boards. I am not sure though what the repercussions will be re manufacturing costs, etc.

kung mag-offer tayo ng chassis variant, para sila na lang magpagawa ng pick-up bed. o kaya jeepney passenger cabin. o kaya aluminum enclosure.

[OyiL]

Ganda tong design mo kaya lang 5 seater lang. Pwede mo bang i-extend ng konti yung puwitan para maging 7-8 seater?

pwedeng pwede!!
nakakatuwa ang mga comments nyo. ginaganahan tuloy akong ipakita yung mga iba luma kong gawa

[architect]

kung mag-offer tayo ng chassis variant, para sila na lang magpagawa ng pick-up bed. o kaya jeepney passenger cabin. o kaya aluminum enclosure.

As proposed, it would be the third party manufacturers who will provide these. But before we get into details, I think we need to organize the team first and make sure we have all the requisite expertise, either inhouse or access to.

*Syuryuken, jamesvhong, ehnrilko

Dprox has proposed an eb Sunday Mar 25, 2007 2pm at Figaro, Santa Rosa. Are you guys available?

[architect]

*Dprox,

I think you are one of the more experienced guys as far as building cars is concerned as you have actually built one. Perhaps, you can list down all the required expertise so that we can determine if we have everything within the core group we are forming, if that is okay with you?

I think I should be able to handle listing all the other requirements - IT, dealership networks, etc. Of course, any help/suggestion/comment is more than welcome.

[OyiL]

*architect
dprox mentioned something about industrial espionage in one of his posts. aren't you bothered by this.

BTW, do you have a copy of the chat we had? i do, if you need it just let me know.