Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

[drey]

hello pobreparin!

hello thread!

btw... * pobreparin? are you an OFW because it seems like your user call sounds like one... curious lang po! hehehe... btw, have fun in this thread!

[dprox]

makikisali lang po sa discussion...
regarding the last sketch posted by sir oyil....it seems to be in the same length as the anfra transporter..isn't it? I think it would be more advisable kung kasing length lang sya ng revo, crosswind..or at the most, ung innova.....this will ensure that mas madali syang i-maneuver especially jan sa manila na very crowded ang mga roads...lalo na ung mga hindi major arteries.....then magkaron na lang ng two models...a 3-door model (targeted for transport groups with seat arrangement similar to jeepneys) and 5-door model(multi-market target with seat arrangement similar to most AUV's or better yet, seat arrangement of the 5-door model will have 2 options).....

Is this layout scheme OK with you? This would be the 5-door model, whose dimensions are basically determined by the plywood requirement.
The red line shows 4x8 laying flat on pickup bed, between wheel wells.
Capacity is driver+14 passengers.

[OyiL]

ahhh....would it be ok if posters come up with their proposals for seating configurations?

as mentioned by architect, the tsikot PhUV might be configurable into different variants......so posters. suggestions please. think of possible user applications with seating and cargo configurations. help to the group yan, will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

[foifoi05]

thanks oyil for inviting me here. Grabe sumakit mata ko reading all the post just to catch up with you guys. Very deep mga usapan, so far ill just share the link of my works(and others) from motioncars.com carchat. These are a little old tinamad nako until meron pala nito, ill try to do some again pag may time:

native concepts(similar to this thread):
http://p083.ezboard.com/fmotioncarsf...cID=3818.topic
*here's a sample from that thread, the "tamaraw FJ" (well assuming co developed with toyota)


concept cars(non-phuv concepts pero i think this can be some of help):
http://p083.ezboard.com/fmotioncarsf...cID=3870.topic
*from the above thread, "fast pickup concept" (fast looking lang)



----- sleepy na, ill try to repost the images here pag sinipag, anyway check the link for now. More power to you guys, gudluck

[OyiL]

source:http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=295

From : Sophia Mirasol <sophiamirasol*yahoo.com.ph>
Sent : Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:43 AM
To : rolando balingit <rombalingit*hotmail.com>
Subject : Re:

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Thank you Rolando!

I will count your suggestion in our discussion for a name.

Your support and positive response will help in achieving our goals. We hope to see you and your friends at [SIZE=5]Market market on June 12-13[/SIZE]. We will introduce the pinoy vehicle there!!

Pia
rolando balingit <rombalingit*hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I was the one who created the phuv car thread in skyscrapercity forum site.
I wish you the success im looking forward to see what the Filipino could offer
in car manufacturing.count on me,this could be my first brand new car,
I prefer the name pagasa,the name of one of our philippine eagles

Good luck,

[dprox]

There are two categories of ART. On one hand, "Fine" art is for the pure expression by an artist and aesthetic reaction by the beholder. On the other, "Practical" art is for some intended use by consumer or user. These threads are eminently geared towards practical art, but do not exclude the fine art of car rendering for art's sake.

foifoi05's first post in http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=51 appears to be a visual concept (fine) for an SUV (practical), that is perfectly adaptable - with some dimensional adjustments - to the OTJ or PhUV.
What's important is that foifoi05 is able to contribute new "visual words" (shapes, forms, configs) - a visual vocabulary that can be used to "describe" (design, style) an original vehicle.

* foifoi05:
Welcome to the Tsikot Auto Design and Research Forum! It's great to have you around. Suggestion lang: Try to read through the forum threads to understand what this new forum is about. It's basically an advocacy forum for OPVs (Original Pilipino Vehicles), and this particular thread is for the PhUV. Once you get the feel of it, you can start your own thread(s), even just for auto art's sake. This forum is also for people who need a repository/art museum for their artistic urges - basta about cars and Pinoy.
If you have friends from art circles with similar interests, please invite them, too!

[dprox]

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Don't miss it!:lolabove:

[pobreparin]

OT:
*drey...
are you referring to my handle(user name) when you said user call?sorry..if its not what you meant but if it is....well....literal yung user name ko eh...ala pa kasi pera even after working for so long na....hehehe...
I think I am not considered as an OFW since my company is still based in the Philippines(IT related). I'm just being assigned in Japan if there are projects....

*dprox
yup...that's how I think a five-door model seat layout should be.
another possible option is to have the second row and the rear seats collapsible...
second row seat: can be folded down(ung sandalan lang) in case of long cargos...
rear seat...similar to fx and revo wherein it can be folded up to accomodate big cargos..
3-door models can also have the arrangement of the rear seats in your layout but it will extend up to the rear of the 1st row seats...similar to tamaraw, fiera style...but still, seats can be folded in case of big cargos(i.e. plywood, boxes,etc..
sorry if I can't provide some pc layouts...di kasi pwedeng mag-install ng ibang software dito sa pc ko eh...(company property kasi...)

suggestion:
maybe we also need to further breakdown working/design groups...
let's say...we can create a separate thread for the interior design and leave this thread for exterior design..para mas maging organized ang ideas...
just a suggestion....

[foifoi05]

There are two categories of ART. On one hand, "Fine" art is for the pure expression by an artist and aesthetic reaction by the beholder. On the other, "Practical" art is for some intended use by consumer or user. These threads are eminently geared towards practical art, but do not exclude the fine art of car rendering for art's sake.

foifoi05's first post in http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=51 appears to be a visual concept (fine) for an SUV (practical), that is perfectly adaptable - with some dimensional adjustments - to the OTJ or PhUV.
What's important is that foifoi05 is able to contribute new "visual words" (shapes, forms, configs) - a visual vocabulary that can be used to "describe" (design, style) an original vehicle.

* foifoi05:
Welcome to the Tsikot Auto Design and Research Forum! It's great to have you around. Suggestion lang: Try to read through the forum threads to understand what this new forum is about. It's basically an advocacy forum for OPVs (Original Pilipino Vehicles), and this particular thread is for the PhUV. Once you get the feel of it, you can start your own thread(s), even just for auto art's sake. This forum is also for people who need a repository/art museum for their artistic urges - basta about cars and Pinoy.
If you have friends from art circles with similar interests, please invite them, too!

thanks a lot sir. Almost done scanning this thread. Glad to see this kind of forum, matagal ko na hinahanap ito. Ive started a topic on motioncars similar to this pero hindi umabot sa ganitong level. thanks to sir Oyil for the invite. I dont do tech and mech car stuff, kaya mejo on the form/aesthetic level ang contribution ko for now.

Apologies to my previous posts. Been very busy lately, but if i got the free time, ill produce some suggestions specifically for the phuv. Perhaps i suggest for a concept art thread for new and established makes (since i dont have the privilege to start a thread here). Anyway, Its nice to hear you guys are up for it i wish you all the luck.

[straker]

My first post in this thread.

Oyil, can you consider having the spare wheel "encased" within the rear door assembly? Assuming we're using regular-jeep sized wheels, such wheels are HEAVY. Walang isyu kung mga maton tayo, pero paano kung nag-iisang girl?

I was thinking of a retractable frame within this assy which allow unloading and loading the spare. If we can afford it, may power assist pa! .

BTW, are we "decided" that the engine is up-front, or in the driver's cabin?

[OyiL]

My first post in this thread.

Oyil, can you consider having the spare wheel "encased" within the rear door assembly? Assuming we're using regular-jeep sized wheels, such wheels are HEAVY. Walang isyu kung mga maton tayo, pero paano kung nag-iisang girl?

I was thinking of a retractable frame within this assy which allow unloading and loading the spare. If we can afford it, may power assist pa! .

BTW, are we "decided" that the engine is up-front, or in the driver's cabin?

all possibilities are considered. thanks for the suggestion.
can you provide us with the door assembly design?

regarding the engine location, we will probably b building a pickup variant, too. kaya we will experiment on the look....via sketches.

[donbuggy]

An engine located at the front will be easier to service and will not heat up the front seat compared to an engine that's under the driver's cabin.

[jpdm]

hopefully we can all work together to reclaim the glory days of the philippine motor vehicle industry

dprox,

Your work is very commendable. I hope CAMPI will look into your AUV prototype.

[OyiL]

sneak peek?

[jpdm]

oyil, dprox, architect,foifoi

Im really amazed with your idea of a PHUV. I think there is no doubt a well-made, well-crafted PHUV will sell in the Philippines. For instance, in our province--one of the fastest growing in terms of population and economic development--the norkis multi-cab, home-made AUVs and jeepneys and even norkis' legacy first are being purchased and utilized by the thousands by the transport groups and private owners here. Together they compete with the brand new vehicles, second-hand cars and the so-called SUV-ic and Korean vans. I believe if people like dprox, oyil, architect etc. will work together, a prototype can be produced and can be offered to local manufacturers ( I doubt if foreign manufacturers will take us Filipinos seriously, and if they will, they will just buy the design and claim it as their own, to kill the competition. Remember what happen to Pop cola and Sarsi, San Miguel (so un-Filipino) bought these rising Filipino brands not to make them as global brands but to kill them by offering them in a silver platter to there main competitor, Coca-Cola. The same thing will happen to any attempt by patriotic and PRACTICAL Filipinos, like the ones who are in this thread, who believe that it is a must to have at least a respectable motor industry.
I love vehicles but I think with our almost dependence on foreign manufacturers, its not practical to be an car enthusiast in the country. Why, because major parts are all imported. The countryis a captive market that relies on the availability of parts from abroad which makes us vulnerable to price fluctuations, practically at the mercy of foreign manufacturers.

Of course, others will say, then I should stay out of the "hobby" if I do not have the money.

The point here is that it will be practical if parts are produced here. It will be easy for those people (like we Filipinos) who wants to " pimp our ride" with body kits, engines, accessories can be immediately produced and purchased here at affordable prices.

What we need in this country, if we cannot build a Filipino car industry from scratch, why not jumpstart it what the Malaysians and practically every country with a up-and-coming car manufacturing industry have done--rebadged existing or old models.

I think Franscisco Motors have done that by coming up with the Anfra AUV--using the platform, parts and powertrain of Mazda.

Its a pity we are look upon by foreigners as mere consumers, and inferior to them--in fact in America, a guy from a radio station, denounced Filipinos in America as pretenders who think they are at par with the Asians (Chinese, Koreans and Japanese) by having the same fancy cars, which they think Filipinos, our race cannot afford. We are perceived as a pathetic bunch of wannabees who cannot even produce a decent vehicle unlike our Asian/ASEAN neighbors.

Its high time and I am happy that there are people like you in this thread to will go beyond these ideas about Filipinos of not having the capability to build and produce its own needs.

Let this be an eye opener to Filipinos who are perpetually afflicted with a complex disease that no doctor can cure--a colonial mentality with crab mentality syndrome--especially those people who post comments in this thread who think the PHUV will not succeed.

No wonder these guys who keeps on throwing all sorts of monkey wretches on efforts to start a PHUV and who are diehard fanatics of anything foreign and imported (xenophobics) will end up being screwed by the same foreigners who screwed us in the past as well as in the present.

This is the epoch known as Globalization! Its time for us Filipinos to rise up just like the Malaysians, Thais, Singaporeans, Koreans, Chinese and even Indonesian and the Taiwanese. I think it will be a terrible embarassment for us if Vietnam will overtake us ( the first vehicle manufacturer who invested there I think was Jose Ch. Alvarez, a Filipino-owner of Vietnam Motors, in the Philippines, owner of Columbian Motors and Asian Carmakers)

My gosh, we almost had Filipino vehicles manufactured by Delta Motors' Toyota mini-cruiser, Francisco Motors' Anfra, Castro/Carter/Atendido AUVs but NO government (our everlasting pathetic government) support came.

More power to Tsikoteers who are working for the the success of a truly Filipino vehicle!!!!!

[OyiL]

[OyiL]

[OyiL]

[OyiL]

galit ako sa papel!

[dprox]

oyil, dprox, architect,foifoi
Im really amazed with your idea of a PHUV. I think there is no doubt a well-made, well-crafted PHUV will sell in the Philippines. For instance, in our province--one of the fastest growing in terms of population and economic development--the norkis multi-cab, home-made AUVs and jeepneys and even norkis' legacy first are being purchased and utilized by the thousands by the transport groups and private owners here. Together they compete with the brand new vehicles, second-hand cars and the so-called SUV-ic and Korean vans. I believe if people like dprox, oyil, architect etc. will work together, a prototype can be produced and can be offered to local manufacturers ( I doubt if foreign manufacturers will take us Filipinos seriously, and if they will, they will just buy the design and claim it as their own, to kill the competition. Remember what happen to Pop cola and Sarsi, San Miguel (so un-Filipino) bought these rising Filipino brands not to make them as global brands but to kill them by offering them in a silver platter to there main competitor, Coca-Cola. The same thing will happen to any attempt by patriotic and PRACTICAL Filipinos, like the ones who are in this thread, who believe that it is a must to have at least a respectable motor industry.
...
Its a pity we are look upon by foreigners as mere consumers, and inferior to them ... We are perceived as a pathetic bunch of wannabees who cannot even produce a decent vehicle unlike our Asian/ASEAN neighbors.
Its high time and I am happy that there are people like you in this thread to will go beyond these ideas about Filipinos of not having the capability to build and produce its own needs.
Let this be an eye opener to Filipinos who are perpetually afflicted with a complex disease that no doctor can cure--a colonial mentality with crab mentality syndrome--especially those people who post comments in this thread who think the PHUV will not succeed.
...
This is the epoch known as Globalization! Its time for us Filipinos to rise up just like the Malaysians, Thais, Singaporeans, Koreans, Chinese and even Indonesian and the Taiwanese. I think it will be a terrible embarassment for us if Vietnam will overtake us ( the first vehicle manufacturer who invested there I think was Jose Ch. Alvarez, a Filipino-owner of Vietnam Motors, in the Philippines, owner of Columbian Motors and Asian Carmakers)
My gosh, we almost had Filipino vehicles manufactured by Delta Motors' Toyota mini-cruiser, Francisco Motors' Anfra, Castro/Carter/Atendido AUVs but NO government (our everlasting pathetic government) support came.
More power to Tsikoteers who are working for the the success of a truly Filipino vehicle!!!!!

Hi jpdm. Welcome to tsikot.
It's a relief to know that there are ordinary people out there who have a better-than-average feel of the industry, and who support the idea of an opensourced Original Pilipino Vehicle (OPV) like the ones we are developing in these forums.
The Philippines could have pulled it off in the 1970s, but we were overtaken by a series of unfortunate political events. And so, it was Mahathir who ended up implementing our PCMP, because he had the political will - and the gumption - to do something for his country before himself.
Like you, we are sick of being divided and conquered. What these forums are surfacing are people with kindred spirits, with real convictions and not a mere craving for small talk and tsismis. That is the first principle: UNITY OF PURPOSE.
In the long run, progress can only be attained if we are unwavering in putting the common good before personal gain, and not be intoxicated along the way. The second principle: COMMON GOOD.
Another operating principle is OPTIMISM. From where we are, the only way to go is up. :thumbup: Stick around, coz the best is yet to come!
I will PM you in case I will be in Cebu (right?). EB with us when you are in Manila.