Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

[varga]

hi to all

One may look at the development of the PhUV as either expanding the Filipino design universe, or limiting it. It may all depend on how well we express our present & our future transportation situations. I'm optimistic it will expand our collective design experience.

We call it the AUV in this part of the world, yet this particular design idea remains very present in the minds of car manufacturers. The global car idea is very much in tune with the economics of car manufacturing. So what works in South Africa may also somehow work in New Zealand or Thailand or Latin America. And knowing car manufacturers, they will make it stick. Utility (combined with quality & fuel efficiency) will always remain an excellent & attractive selling point. The AUV concept may have stayed with us for 3 decades now, but if one looks at the situation in another way, this presents us with the opportunity to perfect it, or at least take the concept one notch higher.

To be very conservative, I believe we can present two basic design options: a 4-5 seater tall hatchback, or a 7-seater mini-MPV. But if we peer out our design windows, we will be swallowed up in these two categories by the competition (unless we find a way to sell the car at a ridiculously low price). Basic are utility, quality and fuel efficiency. Also, renewed vigor has been seen in car companies' interest in achieving very high fuel mileage.

The point is we can work around several design concepts. The AUV concept is one of those, and it still has a life to live out in years to come. Whatever design we come up with, my suggestion is to leave some subtle but strong mark that it is Filipino -- in the way we perceive transportation, or in our communication. We can work around the common goal of pointing to the global design community that there is wisdom in the often perceived quiet & dormant personality of the Filipino.

My Swiss chum always relates this story to his friends: In conferences or symposia he's attended, Americans are always eager to network and lead a group. The English are always proper and cautious, and never get things done. The Japanese are always minimal but quick to deliver on time. The Germans are always asking how and why. The Swiss are concerned with costs. The French ask what time is breaktime or dinnertime. The Filipinos are always smiling and nodding, much to the consternation of others. Why? Because he/she can deliver on cue a thesis/dissertation with as little preparation provided, plus the agenda for their next conference or symposium. That's how bilib my foreigner buddies are with us Filipinos.

[architect]

One may look at the development of the PhUV as either expanding the Filipino design universe, or limiting it. It may all depend on how well we express our present & our future transportation situations. I'm optimistic it will expand our collective design experience.

We call it the AUV in this part of the world, yet this particular design idea remains very present in the minds of car manufacturers. The global car idea is very much in tune with the economics of car manufacturing. So what works in South Africa may also somehow work in New Zealand or Thailand or Latin America. And knowing car manufacturers, they will make it stick. Utility (combined with quality & fuel efficiency) will always remain an excellent & attractive selling point. The AUV concept may have stayed with us for 3 decades now, but if one looks at the situation in another way, this presents us with the opportunity to perfect it, or at least take the concept one notch higher.

*Varga - thanks for articulating so efficiently the essence of this thread in so many words!

To be very conservative, I believe we can present two basic design options: a 4-5 seater tall hatchback, or a 7-seater mini-MPV. But if we peer out our design windows, we will be swallowed up in these two categories by the competition (unless we find a way to sell the car at a ridiculously low price). Basic are utility, quality and fuel efficiency. Also, renewed vigor has been seen in car companies' interest in achieving very high fuel mileage.

The point is we can work around several design concepts. The AUV concept is one of those, and it still has a life to live out in years to come. Whatever design we come up with, my suggestion is to leave some subtle but strong mark that it is Filipino -- in the way we perceive transportation, or in our communication. We can work around the common goal of pointing to the global design community that there is wisdom in the often perceived quiet & dormant personality of the Filipino.

From a design approach, the group, being composed of quite a few architects, is partially guided by principles of proxemics re integrating the Filipino character.

From a technological standpoint, we are working within the constraints of common off-the-shelf affordable components. But this is not to say we are not using them in more innovative ways. Similarly, we are availing of other high technology products to futher distinguish the resultant vehicle.

My Swiss chum always relates this story to his friends: In conferences or symposia he's attended, Americans are always eager to network and lead a group. The English are always proper and cautious, and never get things done. The Japanese are always minimal but quick to deliver on time. The Germans are always asking how and why. The Swiss are concerned with costs. The French ask what time is breaktime or dinnertime. The Filipinos are always smiling and nodding, much to the consternation of others. Why? Because he/she can deliver on cue a thesis/dissertation with as little preparation provided, plus the agenda for their next conference or symposium. That's how bilib my foreigner buddies are with us Filipinos.

I think it holds true for a lot of Filipino professionals (and students as well) based overseas. While abroad, I have encountered countless Filipinos who were more than able to hold their own against their colleagues, even in meetings where postgraduate degrees (Masterals and PhDs) were the norm rather than the exception.

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Hello,

When is the next meeting please?

[architect]

*Auto_Xer,

We might have an eb next week. Kindly pm dprox or me your contact details. Thanks.

[OyiL]

source:http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2007/05/22/2653298.htm

[May 22, 2007]

Pinoy-made, anyone? (Auto parts firms, car maker push Philippine

(Business World (Philippines) Via Thomson Dialog NewsEdge) An association of local parts manufacturers, Motor Vehicle Parts Manufacturers Association of the Philippines (MVPMAP) and a local car assembler, Francisco Motors Corp. plan to unveil prototypes of the proposed Philippine Utility Vehicle (PhUV) next month.

"We are planning to show our PhUV prototype to the public and investors by the second week of June just in time for the opening of the next congress," Ferdinand Raquelsantos, director of MVPMAP told BusinessWorld.

"There is a need to revive the country's car industry by launching the car before start of the sessions, we hope to receive government incentives from them," he added.

MVPMAP Director for missions and exhibits Rommel Juan said that the exhibit would hopefully attract investors and car manufacturers since the association has not yet sealed a deal with any manufacturer.

Francisco Motors Corp. President Rosauro Francisco, meanwhile, said the local car maker also plans to launch another version of the PhUV next month.

"I have had my model even before the Philippine car program was revived, whatever the government will help, we'll be glad to receive," Mr. Francisco said.

Asked if this means competing models groups, MVPMAP's Mr. Raquelsantos said they are looking forward to working with Francisco Motors.

"We could be a supplier of the car parts," he said.

Mr. Francisco, meanwhile, said his firm is "open" to possibilities. "We see how the competition will be or if there is even any," he added.

Francisco Motors' version of the PhUV is a multipurpose vehicle based on the Toyota Tamaraw and Mitsubishi L300. It will be powered by a 1.8- liter diesel engine. MVPMAP was more circumspect about its model, only that it would be an Asian Utility Vehicle (AUV) but a bit "rugged." Prices, they said, will be around P350,000.

To gather support for the PhUV, the MVPMAP signed a memorandum of understanding last May 1 with the Philippine Jeepney Operators and Drivers Alliance Foundation (PJODAF).

Based on agreement, the PJODAF will provide inputs in marketing, financing, product specifications, customer support and feedback.

The MVPMAP, meanwhile, will supply the technical know-how, skills, equipment, manpower and mass production capabilities for all the parts and components needed.

Mr. Raquelsantos claimed the PhUV project is "highly" feasible.

"We have all the concerned sectors working together, so there is no stopping us," the MVPMAP exec claimed.

"We are not going to go against the local car manufacturers like Toyota and Honda ... we are going to target those who need cars for cargo business and daily transport business," he added.

The MVPMAP admitted it would be impossible to make the PhUV with 100% local content and said it is in talks with Japanese car manufacturers and Chinese auto parts makers.

"We'll go with 60% local content," Mr. Raquelsantos said.

Francisco Motors" Mr. Francisco, for his part, said the firm is planning to source its engines from India or China.

Copyright 2007 Business World Publishing Corporation, Source: The Financial Times Limited

[OyiL]

[mike01]

source:http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2007/05/22/2653298.htm

[May 22, 2007]

Pinoy-made, anyone? (Auto parts firms, car maker push Philippine

(Business World (Philippines) Via Thomson Dialog NewsEdge) An association of local parts manufacturers, Motor Vehicle Parts Manufacturers Association of the Philippines (MVPMAP) and a local car assembler, Francisco Motors Corp. plan to unveil prototypes of the proposed Philippine Utility Vehicle (PhUV) next month.
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"We are planning to show our PhUV prototype to the public and investors by the second week of June just in time for the opening of the next congress," Ferdinand Raquelsantos, director of MVPMAP told BusinessWorld.

"There is a need to revive the country's car industry by launching the car before start of the sessions, we hope to receive government incentives from them," he added.

MVPMAP Director for missions and exhibits Rommel Juan said that the exhibit would hopefully attract investors and car manufacturers since the association has not yet sealed a deal with any manufacturer.

Francisco Motors Corp. President Rosauro Francisco, meanwhile, said the local car maker also plans to launch another version of the PhUV next month.

"I have had my model even before the Philippine car program was revived, whatever the government will help, we'll be glad to receive," Mr. Francisco said.

Asked if this means competing models groups, MVPMAP's Mr. Raquelsantos said they are looking forward to working with Francisco Motors.

"We could be a supplier of the car parts," he said.

Mr. Francisco, meanwhile, said his firm is "open" to possibilities. "We see how the competition will be or if there is even any," he added.

Francisco Motors' version of the PhUV is a multipurpose vehicle based on the Toyota Tamaraw and Mitsubishi L300. It will be powered by a 1.8- liter diesel engine. MVPMAP was more circumspect about its model, only that it would be an Asian Utility Vehicle (AUV) but a bit "rugged." Prices, they said, will be around P350,000.

To gather support for the PhUV, the MVPMAP signed a memorandum of understanding last May 1 with the Philippine Jeepney Operators and Drivers Alliance Foundation (PJODAF).

Based on agreement, the PJODAF will provide inputs in marketing, financing, product specifications, customer support and feedback.

The MVPMAP, meanwhile, will supply the technical know-how, skills, equipment, manpower and mass production capabilities for all the parts and components needed.

Mr. Raquelsantos claimed the PhUV project is "highly" feasible.

"We have all the concerned sectors working together, so there is no stopping us," the MVPMAP exec claimed.

"We are not going to go against the local car manufacturers like Toyota and Honda ... we are going to target those who need cars for cargo business and daily transport business," he added.

The MVPMAP admitted it would be impossible to make the PhUV with 100% local content and said it is in talks with Japanese car manufacturers and Chinese auto parts makers.

"We'll go with 60% local content," Mr. Raquelsantos said.

Francisco Motors" Mr. Francisco, for his part, said the firm is planning to source its engines from India or China.

Copyright 2007 Business World Publishing Corporation, Source: The Financial Times Limited

can they make another personal type vehicle like that of a norkis legacy but with better quality?

para naman sa mga private owners.. pero dapat gas engine.. sana yung brand new engine ang ilagay nila.. wag naman yung mga gamit na..

[drey]

can they make another personal type vehicle like that of a norkis legacy but with better quality?

para naman sa mga private owners.. pero dapat gas engine.. sana yung brand new engine ang ilagay nila.. wag naman yung mga gamit na..

hello sir mike! glad to see you post... Actually, BNEW po ang diesel engine ng mga ito especially the chassis... May rumor daw na it looks like a Zuk APV - thats still a rumor! Pero got the picture? Wait nalang this June... Malapit na!

[OyiL]

hello sir mike! glad to see you post... Actually, BNEW po ang diesel engine ng mga ito especially the chassis... May rumor daw na it looks like a Zuk APV - thats still a rumor! Pero got the picture? Wait nalang this June... Malapit na!

ZUK = SUZUKI???

[drey]

ZUK = SUZUKI???

Well, thats a rumor... But I guess it is very promising...

[mike01]

hello sir mike! glad to see you post... Actually, BNEW po ang diesel engine ng mga ito especially the chassis... May rumor daw na it looks like a Zuk APV - thats still a rumor! Pero got the picture? Wait nalang this June... Malapit na!

puro naman hanggang announcements at media hype lang ata to..

ibenta na nila agad at bigyan nila mga buyers ng 3 year/100k km warranty at 350k price na sinasabi nila..

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sa warranty magkaka alaman e kung rugged nga ba talaga?

[drey]

puro naman hanggang announcements at media hype lang ata to..

ibenta na nila agad at bigyan nila mga buyers ng 3 year/100k km warranty at 350k price na sinasabi nila..

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sa warranty magkaka alaman e kung rugged nga ba talaga?

sir... grabeh ka naman... Even if puro announcement at media hype atleast they gave the specific date already. Ibenta agad? Thats not really a good business strategy...

Bakit sir? Kayo po ba first buyer if ever na magbibigay sila ng 3yr./100km warranty tapos maganda pagka-design both exterior and interior? If so, I think you have the right to say na ANG TAGAL naman! heheheh...

[drey]

sa warranty magkaka alaman e kung rugged nga ba talaga?

sir, ano kaya mangyayari if they avail a 10 yr. powertrain warranty?

[mike01]

sir... grabeh ka naman... Even if puro announcement at media hype atleast they gave the specific date already. Ibenta agad? Thats not really a good business strategy...

Bakit sir? Kayo po ba first buyer if ever na magbibigay sila ng 3yr./100km warranty tapos maganda pagka-design both exterior and interior? If so, I think you have the right to say na ANG TAGAL naman! heheheh...

yep sureball yan.. 3 year /100,000 km warranty ok ako dyan.. bibili agad ako.. ipang papasada ko.. manila to cavite route..

[rmb]

dapat may easy installment para marami ang maka-afford or
in house financing...

[architect]

dapat may easy installment para marami ang maka-afford or
in house financing...

Yes, this is among the things that we want to offer.

[mike01]

well bago nyo unahin yang easy installment, get this

IBENTA NYO MUNA! OK?

wala pa kayong nilalalabas at binibenta nasa easy installment agad..huwaw!!!

ang galing!

kaya naman ang pinoy hinahangaan sa mundo e..una yung salita bago ang gawa..

ang india andami nang na pro produce na kotse for export at local use.. ang pinas nasan?

ano ba yun MVPMAP? dapat di MOP ang gawin nyan..walis na lang..

[A121]

sana they'd put in a larger engine. duda kasi ako sa 1.8 diesel na makina. yes it has gobs of torque pero baka pagong sya sa highway. or, they put in a turbo. or a 2.5 diesel, pero it would jack up the price. feeling ko ito ang isa sa papalit sa FX.

well bago nyo unahin yang easy installment, get this

IBENTA NYO MUNA! OK?

wala pa kayong nilalalabas at binibenta nasa easy installment agad..huwaw!!!

ang galing!

kaya naman ang pinoy hinahangaan sa mundo e..una yung salita bago ang gawa..

ang india andami nang na pro produce na kotse for export at local use.. ang pinas nasan?

your post doesn't help at all. the other posters, just suggest that there should be easy financing. nothing more.

and, are you aware on the product testing of cars? it is a very long process. please do research first before you say anything else

[architect]

well bago nyo unahin yang easy installment, get this

IBENTA NYO MUNA! OK?

wala pa kayong nilalalabas at binibenta nasa easy installment agad..huwaw!!!

ang galing!

kaya naman ang pinoy hinahangaan sa mundo e..una yung salita bago ang gawa..

ang india andami nang na pro produce na kotse for export at local use.. ang pinas nasan?

ano ba yun MVPMAP? dapat di MOP ang gawin nyan..walis na lang..

I have absolutely no idea where you are going with this post except perhaps to prove to the world your utter lack of understanding of business principles.

In the first place, I never said that we will provide financing first before introducing the product. Even a fool will surely appreciate there is no sense of logic whatsoever in doing so.

Secondly, all I said was that financing is something we hope to offer. And if we indeed hope to offer that we need to start negotiations with the financial institutions. In the real world, project phases are often done concurrently and not sequentially. But quite obviously this fundamental concept is also way beyond your grasp.

[mike01]

I have absolutely no idea where you are going with this post except perhaps to prove to the world your utter lack of understanding of business principles.

In the first place, I never said that we will provide financing first before introducing the product. Even a fool will surely appreciate there is no sense of logic whatsoever in doing so.

Secondly, all I said was that financing is something we hope to offer. And if we indeed hope to offer that we need to start negotiations with the financial institutions. In the real world, project phases are often done concurrently and not sequentially. But quite obviously this fundamental concept is also way beyond your grasp.

easy installment yung mga drawing at media hype? pwede.. kung papayag sana yung bangko..



ano kaya pakiramdam sumakay sa papel??

di naman kase yung easy installment ang issue dito, ang issue dito makakapagbenta ba kayo in the first place?? unahin nyo muna problema bago yung papogi..

ang objective na mura and selling price, mura ang running at maintenanance cost, 3 year warranty, at matibay ang importante, di yung puro drawing at aesthetic..



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itigil na natin to.. we are going to buy suzuki alto na lang.. pero wish ko talaga magawa na nung tata motors yung $2500 car nila.. at umabot dito sa pinas..