Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

[OyiL]

maryosep parang gagamba. ito na lang pinoy pa. kulet ko no

source:http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...php?p=19324687



can we make a civilian version? para sikat !

[OyiL]

[OyiL]

small car again

[ocanursjr]

oyil,kelan b launching ng PhUV ntin.naiinip n ko,sana ito n ung flag carrier ntin n ipagmamalaki s boung mundo.

[hein]

....sana ito n ung flag carrier ntin n ipagmamalaki s boung mundo.

Don't get your hopes up. 30 years na behind tayo sa technology. Expect a modest AUV-type vehicle using a lot of off-the-shelf parts and a lot of flat panels.

[OyiL]

Is it possible to buy a set(5 pcs ea) of brand new wheels and tires at the price of second hand ones?

remember the 60% local content. 60% means - 60% of total vehicle production cost (no idea if that includes labor). 60% of 250K( itabi na natin yung 50K para sa overhead) -> 150K. Something wrong here...yung engine na brand new e 100K+ na.... maryosep...the other parts should be made of plywood na lang. Boat na lang kaya ang i-design natin. Tama yata yung mga amphibian cars na nasa powerpoint presentation ni dprox.

or what if we use second hand parts...yung tipong pwedeng palitan ng may-ari. like, wheels and tires. ganyan din naman ang wheels and tires ng mga SUVics diba. tapos sila na lang magdagdag ng side mirrors, or rear view mirrors. or third brake light. chicken wire na lang ang gamitin natin sa front grilles. pati seats, second hand na lang. i-upgrade na lang nila. optional na lang yung mga interior sidings. waddya think, people?

[architect]

Don't get your hopes up. 30 years na behind tayo sa technology. Expect a modest AUV-type vehicle using a lot of off-the-shelf parts and a lot of flat panels.

I am just curious. How did you arrive at the belief that we are 30 years behind as opposed to 20 or even 10? And do you mean just automotive technology or technology in general?

30 years ago there was no World Wide Web. Today local public high school students have Internet access, where just about all sorts of the latest technological information is available. Granted implementing them requires funding but truly worthy projects will never lack for investors or sponsors. (The PhUV project of the tsikot group has interested sponsors/investors from the US and the Middle East, not to mention local parties.)

As for local automotive technology specifically, are you aware one of the PhUV core group member holds a patent for a rotary engine? Another had his entire team recruited to the Middle East to build a truck prototype. If we are truly 30 years behind, do you think the rest of the world would bother to hire Filipinos for automotive work?

As for a modest-looking AUV, what is wrong with that? For as long as it truly embodies Filipino characteristics, both aesthetically and functionally, and is both affordable and reliable, there is no reason for us to be ashamed of the resultant PhUV. Having that mindset is akin to being ashamed of your son simply because he is not handsome, notwithstanding whatever positive characteristics he might possess.

That said, aesthetics is the function of the automotive designer, or designers in general. The low budget should not be a hindrance. Instead, it should serve as a challenge. Just as developing an affordable, functional, and reliable PhUV should serve as a challenge for those of us who do not subscribe to the defeatist mindset that sadly seems to be so pervasive these days.

[tsikot]

I am just curious. How did you arrive at the belief that we are 30 years behind as opposed to 20 or even 10? And do you mean just automotive technology or technology in general?

30 years ago there was no World Wide Web. Today local public high school students have Internet access, where just about all sorts of the latest technological information is available. Granted implementing them requires funding but truly worthy projects will never lack for investors or sponsors. (The PhUV project of the tsikot group has interested sponsors/investors from the US and the Middle East, not to mention local parties.)

As for local automotive technology specifically, are you aware one of the PhUV core group member holds a patent for a rotary engine? Another had his entire team recruited to the Middle East to build a truck prototype. If we are truly 30 years behind, do you think the rest of the world would bother to hire Filipinos for automotive work?

As for a modest-looking AUV, what is wrong with that? For as long as it truly embodies Filipino characteristics, both aesthetically and functionally, and is both affordable and reliable, there is no reason for us to be ashamed of the resultant PhUV. Having that mindset is akin to being ashamed of your son simply because he is not handsome, notwithstanding whatever positive characteristics he might possess.

That said, aesthetics is the function of the automotive designer, or designers in general. The low budget should not be a hindrance. Instead, it should serve as a challenge. Just as developing an affordable, functional, and reliable PhUV should serve as a challenge for those of us who do not subscribe to the defeatist mindset that sadly seems to be so pervasive these days.

well said architect. :thumbsup:

i agree with you, absolutely! tsikot.com is fully behind this worthy endeavor and will provide whatever support, help and assistance this community can humbly give.

[OyiL]

what if we just import engine blocks and cylinder head and other engine hard parts tapos assemble na lang natin yung engine locally haluan natin ng ibang parts na ginagawa dito, like the gaskets. or baka may gumagawa na dito ng mga yan. makatipid pa tayo ng 10K.

[hein]

I am just curious. How did you arrive at the belief that we are 30 years behind as opposed to 20 or even 10? And do you mean just automotive technology or technology in general?

30 years ago there was no World Wide Web. Today local public high school students have Internet access, where just about all sorts of the latest technological information is available. Granted implementing them requires funding but truly worthy projects will never lack for investors or sponsors. (The PhUV project of the tsikot group has interested sponsors/investors from the US and the Middle East, not to mention local parties.)

As for local automotive technology specifically, are you aware one of the PhUV core group member holds a patent for a rotary engine? Another had his entire team recruited to the Middle East to build a truck prototype. If we are truly 30 years behind, do you think the rest of the world would bother to hire Filipinos for automotive work?

As for a modest-looking AUV, what is wrong with that? For as long as it truly embodies Filipino characteristics, both aesthetically and functionally, and is both affordable and reliable, there is no reason for us to be ashamed of the resultant PhUV. Having that mindset is akin to being ashamed of your son simply because he is not handsome, notwithstanding whatever positive characteristics he might possess.

That said, aesthetics is the function of the automotive designer, or designers in general. The low budget should not be a hindrance. Instead, it should serve as a challenge. Just as developing an affordable, functional, and reliable PhUV should serve as a challenge for those of us who do not subscribe to the defeatist mindset that sadly seems to be so pervasive these days.

Actually, I was being NICE. The truth is we are more than 30 years behind in automotive building technology. Below is a 30-year old 1977 Ferrari 308GTB that is the state-of-the art during its time. It has a V8 engine that
churns out 255 horsepower and does 0-100kph in about 7 seconds.

Tell me architect, can the Filipinos build one up from scratch in the year 2007?

In fact, the DIESEL engine was invented in 1892 and we still have to use an ISUZU engine to power the PhUV. Until now, I have not seen an entirely Filipino-designed and built automobile engine runing in the streets.

The PhUV will have modest looks because our coachbuilding capabilities does not yet allow us to manufacture the complicated shapes that is commonly seen in cars today.

Of course, we have to start somewhere. but don't expect a breakthrough product. We still have a long way to go before we can be called world-class. Probably in 30 years- because it took the Koreans that long.

[OyiL]

Don't get your hopes up. 30 years na behind tayo sa technology. Expect a modest AUV-type vehicle using a lot of off-the-shelf parts and a lot of flat panels.

ako ..i know how to measure yung mga standard units like inches, meters, millimiters, kilogram, joules, kilo-ohms.......etc, etc.. but "years behind"? How do you measure that accurately?

Alam ko hein, naiinip ka lang....the PhUV prototype models are already built and are probably being tested. Siguro nga yung FMC model ay the one on trial run sa EPZA. yun.go there, take a look at it.. para mawala yung bugnot mo. Yung Dreamco model...meron drowing ako dito na kamukha nun....hanapin mo na lang at para maging busy ka sa pag-babasa.

[hein]

ako ..i know how to measure yung mga standard units like inches, meters, millimiters, kilogram, joules, kilo-ohms.......etc, etc.. but "years behind"? How do you measure that accurately?

If you can't build a car to 1970's standards then you are 30 years behind. Simple as that.


State of the Art Technology during the 1970's

Oyil, kung FMC lang ang gumawa, never mind na lang. I have seen their products. Their workmanship is SHODDY, to say the least. Parang gawang latero. They are not a good representative of quality manufacturing.