Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

[AC]

ang india po kaya nakakagawa ng engine.. dahil.. maganda po ang steel industry nila... in order to make engines.. kelangan meron tayo.. magandang steel/other industries to support the product.. madami naman na parts diyan... hindi naman talaga engine manufacturers gumagawa.. halos assembly lang..

konting steel products nalang.. natitirang meron factory ang pilipinas.. sa alam ko.. deformed bar lang kaya gawin dito.. dahil.. hindi kelangan ng precision sa pag gawa nito.. melt shape and pull lang..
yung iba... wirants... sheets... squarebars puros imported...

madami tayong factory.. sa pilipinas but alot of them do not manufacture anymore. ginagamit nalang nila factories nila as front para makapag parating ng china and makabenta ng hindi hinuhuling anti-dumping..

[lgp]

Gandang araw po sa lahat. While it is true that we are not at par with our neighboring countries when it comes to building our own engine, we still have some skills and the capabilities to do some parts of car building ourselves -yun nga lang most of it the bodywork.

My idea of designing a pinoy uv would have it start by analyzing the economics of the project first. Di ba the main reason why the design of the puj has gone unchanged for decades (malapit na maging century :D ) is because of the way they try to maximize the sheets? Then it is here that economists and designers should sit down together (preferably over a beer or two) and discuss feasibility of design.

Only when a feasible balance on paper has been achieved should the actual work progress, that way we wouldn't be wasting a lot of funds.

0.02 worth (or less maybe).

[victorevolution]

ang india po kaya nakakagawa ng engine.. dahil.. maganda po ang steel industry nila... in order to make engines.. kelangan meron tayo.. magandang steel/other industries to support the product.. madami naman na parts diyan... hindi naman talaga engine manufacturers gumagawa.. halos assembly lang..

konting steel products nalang.. natitirang meron factory ang pilipinas.. sa alam ko.. deformed bar lang kaya gawin dito.. dahil.. hindi kelangan ng precision sa pag gawa nito.. melt shape and pull lang..
yung iba... wirants... sheets... squarebars puros imported...

madami tayong factory.. sa pilipinas but alot of them do not manufacture anymore. ginagamit nalang nila factories nila as front para makapag parating ng china and makabenta ng hindi hinuhuling anti-dumping..

i strongly disagree with you 1 million percent! it would give us a footing kung meron tayong steel idustry but economic 101 - japan doesnt have a steel industry yet they were able to produce a better engine, heck wala nga raw material sa japan eh kaya nga napreserve nila yung ganda ng environment nila kasi walang mga minahan kasi walang raw material, as a matter of fact lahat inimport nila since late 1800 to this day! kaya nga sumali mga hapon sa world war 2 para ma monopolize and makuha niya lahat ng raw material sa asia kasi nag embargo u.s. sa kanila.

and yung steel industry ng india ngayon lang gumanda ng ma aquire ni mittal yung mga steel mills sa euorpe, pero in thier local india eh tagaputol at recylce lang ng mga lumang barko source nila ng steel na mura kasi mura labor and mura and madali ma bypass toxic laws sa kanila.

[victorevolution]

if we can make freaking fake guns with crude machineries(maganda baril ng danao hehehehehehe ang kulang lang ay grooves para straight yung tragectory ng bala) paano pa kaya kung meron tayong matinong machineries para gumawa ng engine.

kailangan natin national will! we can get the raw materials madali na yun!

[victorevolution]

i strongly disagree with you 1 million percent! it would give us a footing kung meron tayong steel idustry but economic 101 - japan doesnt have a steel industry yet they were able to produce a better engine, heck wala nga raw material sa japan eh kaya nga napreserve nila yung ganda ng environment nila kasi walang mga minahan kasi walang raw material, as a matter of fact lahat inimport nila since late 1800 to this day! kaya nga sumali mga hapon sa world war 2 para ma monopolize and makuha niya lahat ng raw material sa asia kasi nag embargo u.s. sa kanila.

and yung steel industry ng india ngayon lang gumanda ng ma aquire ni mittal yung mga steel mills sa euorpe, pero in thier local india eh tagaputol at recylce lang ng mga lumang barko source nila ng steel na mura kasi mura labor and mura and madali ma bypass toxic laws sa kanila.

we are more at par with the, we even excel, fyi karamihan ng mga engineers natin sila naghihire and madami pang professionals, yung oilfields sa saudi arabia mga filipino contractor gumawa noon, yung palasyo ng sultan ng brunei pilipino nag design and nagconstruct!

yung mga old rich lang kasi dito satin yung mga spanish na ayala, mga intsik na tan and coujangco or yuchengco ay ayaw mag pondo kasi sila mga franchiser ng mga honda ford and etc.. gusto lang ng mga hinayupak na yan ay pagkakitaan ang bansa natin, pag nagkagera baka mga hayop na yan una pang umalis sa bansa natin sila nagpapabagsak ng sarili natin auto industry, tingnan niyo ginawa ng toyota sa sarao binanatan nila by producing a tamaraw f.x. with almost the same price plus aircon pa. sarao naman di nakaganti ayun bagsak.

[AC]

sir.. wala po tayo talaga steel industry.. wala tayo hi grade streels sa pinas.. i am in steel industry po.. madami pong grade ang steel.. may mga sikreto pagtimpla.. and madaming makina kailangan.. i dont know saan nakukuha ng japan steel nila... but hi grade steel in philippines are from japan.. including seamless pipes po.. now not all are made in japan... some hi grade steel is already made in china but japanese owned ang factories.. iba po sir steel natin...

yes meron tayo gumagawa parts ng baril.. sa mirdc.. in bicutan..

pasensya na sa pics.. phonecam lang..
yan yung gawa natin... mga non-important parts lang.. mga handle mga kung ano ano lang na hindi kailangan hi quality ang bakal..
well maganda din naman foundry equipment natin to make these.. pero.. wala po tayo pang gawa pang timple pang cut ng hard steel... hi tensile steel..

pag pinilit natin gumawa ng makinang hindi up to spec.. guns na parang galing danao ang kalalabasan nun.. ikaw ba lulusob sa gera using danao guns?

i like filipino goods... but.. sinasabi ko lang po wala tayong kakayahan sa ngayon para makagawa ng.. buong engine..

like sa japan... kunwari ikaw ay gagawa ng... makina.. gawa ka lang ng model.. and design... . diyan magaling tayo.. design design.. hehe drawing drawing.. pag tapos mabuo ang design... block lang siguro gagawin nila.. or baka may contractor pang gagawa ng block for them... well.. most car manufacturers make their blocks since... simple lang naman.. mag foundry..then order na ng parts yan.. like valves... arms.. etc.. tatawag lang yan dun sa gumagawa.. kailangan namin ito specs.. ganito haba.. ito design.. para ilagay dito.. etc etc... then darating na sakanila yun.. then assemble lang nila.. dito saatin.. medyo wala pong ganun..

walang kwenta ang mines natin kung hindi din natin kaya iprocess into goods..
mga bakal natin.. specially last year.. alam naman ng lahat yan.. binibili papuntang china.. dahil tumaas presyo ng bakal.. and nagka demand..

btw.. hindi po proper gamitin intsik to refer to chinese people... rude po ang dating ng salitang yan sa mga chinese.. or tsino..

[ghosthunter]

I've been saying the same thing but who listens to me, right?

They think I am just a negative-thinking know-it-all.

But deep inside, they know what I said is what is real.

No matter how much they repeat the words "the Filipino can", it will not change the situation we are in nor the nature of the problem.

[marg]

tingnan niyo ginawa ng toyota sa sarao binanatan nila by producing a tamaraw f.x. with almost the same price plus aircon pa. sarao naman di nakaganti ayun bagsak.

That is the beauty of the Free Enterprise system. Competition improves products and services. Those who refuse to change like Sarao (and many Jeepney-makers).....Die.

[victorevolution]

sir.. wala po tayo talaga steel industry.. wala tayo hi grade streels sa pinas.. i am in steel industry po.. madami pong grade ang steel.. may mga sikreto pagtimpla.. and madaming makina kailangan.. i dont know saan nakukuha ng japan steel nila... but hi grade steel in philippines are from japan.. including seamless pipes po.. now not all are made in japan... some hi grade steel is already made in china but japanese owned ang factories.. iba po sir steel natin...

yes meron tayo gumagawa parts ng baril.. sa mirdc.. in bicutan..

pasensya na sa pics.. phonecam lang..
yan yung gawa natin... mga non-important parts lang.. mga handle mga kung ano ano lang na hindi kailangan hi quality ang bakal..
well maganda din naman foundry equipment natin to make these.. pero.. wala po tayo pang gawa pang timple pang cut ng hard steel... hi tensile steel..

pag pinilit natin gumawa ng makinang hindi up to spec.. guns na parang galing danao ang kalalabasan nun.. ikaw ba lulusob sa gera using danao guns?

i like filipino goods... but.. sinasabi ko lang po wala tayong kakayahan sa ngayon para makagawa ng.. buong engine..

like sa japan... kunwari ikaw ay gagawa ng... makina.. gawa ka lang ng model.. and design... . diyan magaling tayo.. design design.. hehe drawing drawing.. pag tapos mabuo ang design... block lang siguro gagawin nila.. or baka may contractor pang gagawa ng block for them... well.. most car manufacturers make their blocks since... simple lang naman.. mag foundry..then order na ng parts yan.. like valves... arms.. etc.. tatawag lang yan dun sa gumagawa.. kailangan namin ito specs.. ganito haba.. ito design.. para ilagay dito.. etc etc... then darating na sakanila yun.. then assemble lang nila.. dito saatin.. medyo wala pong ganun..

walang kwenta ang mines natin kung hindi din natin kaya iprocess into goods..
mga bakal natin.. specially last year.. alam naman ng lahat yan.. binibili papuntang china.. dahil tumaas presyo ng bakal.. and nagka demand..

btw.. hindi po proper gamitin intsik to refer to chinese people... rude po ang dating ng salitang yan sa mga chinese.. or tsino..

again, i strongly disagree with you thre billion percent, again uulitin ko lang ang japan walang steel industry they just import again import steel of all grades, kahit yung pang gawa ng kitana (some called this samaurai blade) nila imported iron ore yun from china! yung mga gawa sa danao recycled iron yun worst mga water pipes yung mga yun i just made it a point na kung kaya natin gumawa ng fake, that almost looks like the original it means we could do better! we can import raw matrials or better yet make a synthetic one.

[victorevolution]

* AC ang ginagawa ng japan is the import the raw material which is the iron ore na mura nilang nabibili then they process it na binebenta nila ng mas mahal at iba ibang grade.

[victorevolution]

btw.. hindi po proper gamitin intsik to refer to chinese people... rude po ang dating ng salitang yan sa mga chinese.. or tsino..

tell that to the intsik who's occyupying the spartly islands, tell that to the instsik who destroys our natural resources in bohol (pinakita sa t.v.) kung gusto mo silang kampiha eh di doon ka!

ikaw lang ata tinamaan sa word na intsik magahanap at bumili ka ng pilipino dictionary andoon word na intsik.

[victorevolution]

That is the beauty of the Free Enterprise system. Competition improves products and services. Those who refuse to change like Sarao (and many Jeepney-makers).....Die.

yup, the problem with sarao is that they depend on surplus engine parts from japan...

[kitsons]

* AC ang ginagawa ng japan is the import the raw material which is the iron ore na mura nilang nabibili then they process it na binebenta nila ng mas mahal at iba ibang grade.

My cousin used to work for Mitsubishi here in our country. He was one of the guys ijnvolved in the production of engine blocks for all sort of Mitsubishi combustion engines.

As he described what they did, I was surprised to find out that producing an engine was actually a simple process.

First they form a mold made out of sand... then they pour in the melted metal alloy... then they bore the holes for the piston, valves, water and oil... tapos.

The problem is that alloys are normally patented. The dies for the moulds in making IC's is a monopoly of Hitachi Metal Industries. Hitachi is the only company that supplies these metals for the IVC molds just as formerly, it was Germany who monopolized the LCD's that Korea broke into with a slight modification in making thier own LCD complnents.

Perhaps, we can do as Taiwan has bee doing which is buying all the scrap metal all around South East Asia at a price that the British Commonwealth could not undercut.

Mga machinery grade metals lang ating bilhin and create our own engine blocks... marami naman tayong magagaling na metalurgist na Pinoy.

Ang ating machinist are one of the best in the world if not the best... kaya lang nanduon sila sa Singapore, Japan, Australia, Taiwan, the US at iba pang mga developed countries.

Mayroon pa rin though tayong magagaling na precision machinist still here at madaming mga nakatiwangwang na mga kung anu-anong lathe machine around. May nakita nga akong machine shop na kumpleto sa Pque sa may Sucat road na puwedeng makagawa ng kahjit ano, malaki man o maliit... lying idle at sinusubakn ibentang scrap. Kung may pera lang ako'y binili ko na't nakalalaway ang mga computerize precision lathes doon talaga.

[ghosthunter]

Kung may pera lang ako'y binili ko na't nakalalaway ang mga computerize precision lathes doon talaga.

And there we have the problem.

We don't have the money.

And those who have the money & the public position to help would prefer to steal more of it for themselves.

[AC]

sir evo..
i dont think you did understand.. we dont have the technology to make hi quality steel..

madaming chinese sa mundo... si lucio tan ba sumakop sa spratley? si cojuangco ba ang sumira sa bohol? honestly.. sinasabi ko lang sayo the chinese dont like being called intsik.. naririnig ko lang madalas nagagamit ang word na intsik ng mga less educated people
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...3031230AAVdH3h

how did you feel when the webster dictionary described the word filipina as domestic helper?..

sir kitson..
yes i agree.. madali lang sobra gumawa ng blocks.. foundry lang.. kayalang technology lang talaga nila ay sekreto

it is the same process for the gun handles they make in bicutan..

the fittings we use dati.. puros local yan.. same process... kayalang nagsara na lahat.. completely wala nang gumagawa ng fittings sa pilipinas.. lahat galing nang china thailand indonesia japan.. the factories andyan pa.. they dont make anymore but rather import nalang..

meron parin tayong foundry shops dito.. they make water valves and other made to order stuff.. but madami talaga threatened na ng ibang bansang manufacturers

doing foundry is very simple.. kaya po natin yan actually gawin sa backyard.. the thing is.. sa blocks kelangan talaga.. perfect ang buhos.. walang impurities walang airholes etc..

sir ghosthunter..
completely agree.. sana what we can do right now is not dream building an engine agad.. sana the government improves... para hindi masyado natatakot investors saatin.. dahil nagaalisan na madaming factory sa pilipinas.. these factories na umaalis ang bumubuhay po sa steel industry.. that we need for our dream of having our own auto industry..

bro evo.. remind ko lang po... we're just being real... gusto ko din tumaas ekonomiya natin sa pilipinas.. sino paba makikinabang pag nagkaroon tayo ng sariling auto industry kung hindi mga taga pilipinas din.. but sinasabi ko lang.. malabo yan sa ngayon..
paalala ko din lang po... degrading the chinese calling them intsik will not improve our economy or improve our lives...
peace..

[uls]

all those pinoy engine/car dreamers run into the same thing

they all run into a WALL

that WALL is LACK OF CAPITAL

when they hit that wall, there's nothing more they can do but rant

[ehnriko]

all those pinoy engine/car dreamers run into the same thing

they all run into a WALL

that WALL is LACK OF CAPITAL

when they hit that wall, there's nothing more they can do but rant

I couldn't agree more.

But, like one of my old Dutch buddy always say... "Keep Dreaming". I wonder if he meant it like an insult or an encouragement. And I always replied..."Well, Never say Never ....again."

[uls]

libre naman mangarap hehe

dami dreamers dito sa Pinas

just gather a group of people together... when the topic goes to "galing ng pinoy", there will always be someone in the group who will say "kaya ng Pinas ang nagawa ng mga Japan, Korea, China"

it's always "KAYA"

Skill/talent

they always look at "kakayahan"

di naman pinagtatalunan ang kakayahan eh

magaling ang pinoy

skilled and talented ang pinoy

they always cite examples of pinoys working in foreign companies making world class products, building world class structures

we get it already

magaling ang pinoy

but they never bring up CAPITAL

it's like capital is just an optional side dish

any project... even a pathetic high school project... needs funding

kung gagawa ka lang ng parol, kelangan mo ng pambili ng materyales

ganito ang mga dreamers ---

they gather around and talk about how big and beautiful a parol (or engine, car) they can create

they come up with drawings and computer 3D designs of the parol (or engine, car) and everyone is really happy, enthusiastic, and full of energy

then someone raises the question -- magkano?

magkano contribution ng bawat isa?

who is gonna fund the project?

all of a sudden, the energy is gone

wala gusto bumunot ng wallet

wala gusto maglabas ng check book

they always hit a wall

[EMDFrancisco]

Guys, how could I join this group?

We have the experience and background, but everybody knows by now that we lack on the financial side and political support.

But I would love to contribute ideas, expertise, etc. to the group.

[victorevolution]

My cousin used to work for Mitsubishi here in our country. He was one of the guys ijnvolved in the production of engine blocks for all sort of Mitsubishi combustion engines.

As he described what they did, I was surprised to find out that producing an engine was actually a simple process.

First they form a mold made out of sand... then they pour in the melted metal alloy... then they bore the holes for the piston, valves, water and oil... tapos.

The problem is that alloys are normally patented. The dies for the moulds in making IC's is a monopoly of Hitachi Metal Industries. Hitachi is the only company that supplies these metals for the IVC molds just as formerly, it was Germany who monopolized the LCD's that Korea broke into with a slight modification in making thier own LCD complnents.

Perhaps, we can do as Taiwan has bee doing which is buying all the scrap metal all around South East Asia at a price that the British Commonwealth could not undercut.

Mga machinery grade metals lang ating bilhin and create our own engine blocks... marami naman tayong magagaling na metalurgist na Pinoy.

Ang ating machinist are one of the best in the world if not the best... kaya lang nanduon sila sa Singapore, Japan, Australia, Taiwan, the US at iba pang mga developed countries.

Mayroon pa rin though tayong magagaling na precision machinist still here at madaming mga nakatiwangwang na mga kung anu-anong lathe machine around. May nakita nga akong machine shop na kumpleto sa Pque sa may Sucat road na puwedeng makagawa ng kahjit ano, malaki man o maliit... lying idle at sinusubakn ibentang scrap. Kung may pera lang ako'y binili ko na't nakalalaway ang mga computerize precision lathes doon talaga.

tama ka pero dito pa lang sa thread nito with the likes of uls di pa tayo nagsisimula eh binabagsak na tayo! usual crab mentality na tinanim ng spanish ang alam nitong mokong na ito- to all f.y.i. we did it before! we even developed a fighter plane back then and even japan recognize us a the next industrial power in asia, the indonesians agrees as well as the malaysians, ang nangyari ay bumagsak tayo dahil yung mga advisers ni marcos naging garapaL since they had franchise of foreign brand like ford kaya dati uso mga laser(lynx) and min cars lile colt(yun nga ang isang reason kung bakit nawala ang toyota sa bansa natin dati) tsk tsk tsk, death to crab mentality!!!!!

INTSIK - MEANING OF TAGALOG NG CHINESE WALA NG IBA!
KUNG MERON MANG MAPIKON EH BAKA NG BATA SILA AY PINAG AASAR SILA NG INTSIK BEHO OR MABAHONG INTSIK HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BEHO IS NOT EVEN A PART OF INTSIK HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

and yes lucio tan na nagnakaw sa cavan ng bayan during the marcos time!
and yes the coujuangco by the likes of cory na pinalitan ang dictator pero 40 thieves ang nagtake over na puro kamaganak niya worst is wala pa siyang ginawa! and her brothers and cousins by the likes of danding na inovertake ang sdan miguel using coco levy fund - siya pa nag advise kay marcos na buwisan ang mga coco farmer for that fund na wala na nga halos kinita eh- and andiyan pa si tonyboy na monopoly ang telecommunication business dati - wala man sila sa spartly natural resources natin ginagamit ng mga intsik na yan- abugado ka ata ng mga intsik na ito eh- fight for your country be patriotic and natinalistic learn your history! to add para malaman ng iba eto ha alam niyo ba ang catholic church ay stock holder sa mga no. 1 business sa bansa natin, check out mga stock holders meeting ng pldt, san miguel and ayala's parating may pari! i am a roman catholic pero dapat reform

- no time to check for spelling bare with me, mamayang gabi ko na aayusin spelling and grammar ko.