Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

**jpdm** · November 3rd, 2009 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by niky

And strangely... I actually agree with you... strange that a guy logs in just to bash people, in every single post he's made so far...

Anyway, lets keep this forum positive. Thats why its called the design thread, ideas, theories and concepts are indeed discussed here. If posters can show that their idea was made into reality like an actual products (like turbo and bar's creations), much better.

**ghosthunter** · November 3rd, 2009 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by ehnriko

Sold it already 1999.

Was this based on a stretched chassis of a owner jeep? Some parts look kinda familiar.. hehehe... like the tilted windshield, came from an owner type?

**ehnriko** · November 3rd, 2009 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

Was this based on a stretched chassis of a owner jeep? Some parts look kinda familiar.. hehehe... like the tilted windshield, came from an owner type?

I am amazed with your keen observation GH... I should say - you are a genius.

Actually - the UVX is a concept intended to make use of all the Owner Type Jeepney components and maximize them into something fresh looking. Since it has to be made with only P80K. Thats was the self-limiting condition that was self-imposed to create something different.

:-) Strangely - but I tend to like you more by pointing this out. Galing mo!

**ghosthunter** · November 3rd, 2009 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by ehnriko

Actually - the UVX is a concept intended to make use of all the Owner Type Jeepney components and maximize them into something fresh looking. Since it has to be made with only P80K. Thats was the self-limiting condition that was self-imposed to create something different.

Why didn't you just continue with this "concept" for the PHUV instead of trying to develop a whole new vehicle? Adapting existing parts would make it more affordable than trying to use new parts that will not be adaptable to older vehicles.

I know that modifying the existing design will not be as innovative but it might be better for the local market where the pinoys tend to be conservative bunch in terms of "new" things.

**ehnriko** · November 3rd, 2009 03:12 PM

At that time I was doing this concept... there was no Tsikot group nor any advocacy group I know of.

It was also an idea too early for it's time. The burn in test was about 4 years - it was also serving two purposes... serving for the delivery business and at the same time - it was also a torture test for the formula or approach.

It did served its purpose.

The nice thing about it, LTO also gave me the freehand to register it as a UVX in the model description. They asked what it meant, I told them - Utility Vehicle Experiment... then they registered it.

But there was already a decline for the OTJ market at that time... which lead to the idea of using these items or components to come up with a new one in order to keep those inventory marketable... but I guess it wasn't meant to be.

On the same token,

My thoughts about the MVPMAP was to get their database of slow moving items in their inventory - put it in a 3D warehouse inventory and database and make it available for the design group to play with.

This way - we can estimate how many units can be made of their dormant items.

It's technically platform adaptation technology.

**ehnriko** · November 3rd, 2009 03:19 PM

Overseas - one of my project:

Since materials are cheaper there, there was no obstacle about making a completely new platform from scratch.

The idea was to make a Hummer like LCT.

About 2 months were spent in developing the concept - from ball point pen drawings on tissue over tea and coffee... to 3D modeling, to CAD rendering and structural design and fabrication analysis to project management... the whole 9 yard.

**ghosthunter** · November 3rd, 2009 03:24 PM

Were those stamped sheets for the front cab locally done or imported as is from China?

As it looks right now, I feel it was done locally since I don't really see any curves, just flat sheets.

Am I right?

**ehnriko** · November 3rd, 2009 03:48 PM

Other images of the work in progress in the design studio we built from scratch.

note: the 1:1 drawing guide on the wall - I have imposed 1mm tolerance on all clearances in this build up.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x93/ehnriko/g7b.jpg

Feeling lucky yung client - kaya pati interior pina design lahat - from dashboard to seats and arm rest center console.

About 700+ components each having to undergo the design process... to 3D.

Walang pukpok na ginawa sa mga lata nito. We wanted to make the sheets maximized by making the design as simple as possible.

The interior is specially built for the clients requirement.

A Laptop can be placed on top of the dashboard. The dashboard also doubles as a foot rest.

The feel inside is like sitting in a sofa built for kings. Legroom, Elbowroom, Headroom... more than Isuzu or Mitsubishi specs.

The doors were the first and the last items to be made since this is the most engineering intensive part of all. Even the door handles were carefully chosen.

This approach in building a prototype in 6 months can easily be replicated here in the Philippines.

With our pool of talented and passionate workers - sisiw na sisiw gawin kahit na ano.

**ehnriko** · November 3rd, 2009 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

Were those stamped sheets for the front cab locally done or imported as is from China?

As it looks right now, I feel it was done locally since I don't really see any curves, just flat sheets.

Am I right?

The front cladding is actually semi-cold pressed. We built jigs to act as Male and Female plugs and attached a Hydraulic Floor Jack to press it.

We identified all the possible sections were we can cut the shape so as to minimize fabricating curves.

It was force of circumstances.

The lamps were from Hella, China parts are just the window riser mechanism... which is actually free samples... the cheapest is of that Canter 93 model I think.

**Meister001** · November 3rd, 2009 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by ehnriko

Hindi ko gustong maging maninira pero hindi ba parang kulang sa safety? Parang isang bunggo na konting kalakasan, patay yung mga nakasakay sa loob.

**Phoenix67** · November 3rd, 2009 07:35 PM

^^ yung Peterbilt na truck was featured sa Discovery channel months back... you would be amaze na para lang din isang "bunggo" yung main head niya.

**Phoenix67** · November 3rd, 2009 07:38 PM

http://science.discovery.com/videos/...lt-trucks.html

eto yung link ng peterbilt

**jpdm** · November 4th, 2009 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by ehnriko

Other images of the work in progress in the design studio we built from scratch.

note: the 1:1 drawing guide on the wall - I have imposed 1mm tolerance on all clearances in this build up.

Nice if we can do this here...

Instead of buying those used trucks from Japan and Korea and then rebuild them.

**ocanursjr** · November 4th, 2009 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by ehnriko

Overseas - one of my project:

Since materials are cheaper there, there was no obstacle about making a completely new platform from scratch.

The idea was to make a Hummer like LCT.

About 2 months were spent in developing the concept - from ball point pen drawings on tissue over tea and coffee... to 3D modeling, to CAD rendering and structural design and fabrication analysis to project management... the whole 9 yard.

Something to be proud of...
Nice one Ehnriko

**ghosthunter** · November 4th, 2009 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by jpdm

Nice if we can do this here...

Instead of buying those used trucks from Japan and Korea and then rebuild them.

Here is the thing with buying trucks. Some companies look at buying trucks, they do not limit at looking at the purchase price. They also look at the price and availability of replacement parts.

The company who will be selling these trucks have to give those potential buyers the confidence that the company will be here to stay for the long run. Unfortunately with the way some new vehicle companies have come and gone, it will be a long while before more companies would be buying "alternative" brands outside the usual ISUZU and MITSUBISHI trucks.

BTW, this statement is nothing against enriko's design. This is purely against the chinese truck brand itself.

**niky** · November 4th, 2009 12:20 PM

Are we talking about the "Japanese Quality, Chinese Prices" company? Have heard quite a few horror stories from operators using those...

Like it or not, any locally assembled truck is going to need Isuzu-built diesels for market penetration... and Isuzu charges through the nose for their engine packages.

**kitsons** · November 5th, 2009 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by niky

Are we talking about the "Japanese Quality, Chinese Prices" company? Have heard quite a few horror stories from operators using those...

Like it or not, any locally assembled truck is going to need Isuzu-built diesels for market penetration... and Isuzu charges through the nose for their engine packages.

Out of touch with pricing and am not sure if fromer popular Hino engines still holds true.

Observably, performance of the 4DR% and 4D30 are quite powerful and more silent than their Isuzu counterpart... less clackity calck sound and vibration.