R & D (Research and Duplicate) - Why don't we do it?

[piscesboy]

Happy toothpaste bro.

MCX din bro

[Monseratto]

Hanabishi, Asahi, Camel are local brands of electric fan (correct me if i'm wrong)

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o nga pala... magaling ang Pinas sa airconditioning and refrigeration

Standard, Imarflex, Fujidenso...daming electric fan makers...

Yep Concepcion Industries comes into mind, they used to monopolise the aircon market with Carrier. But maraming competition sila ngayon...few consider a carrier on top of their aircon list.

[ghosthunter]

Having read some national innovation systems paper, it was quite clear that what China is doing today (copying and reverse engineering technologies or "R & D") is not new. Japan, Korea and Taiwan did the same before they became an technological and economic powerhouse.

I know IPR regulations are stricter today but I also assume that Research and Duplicate is still possible.
Why are Filipinos not into this?
Are we too proud?
Are we too kind and generous not to copy someone else's work?

Are we afraid of criticisms of our own work (original or otherwise)?

I am just curious.

Honestly speaking, we do not have the equipment to reverse engineer and then mass produce modern stuff at competitive levels.

And why would a businessman would invest millions of pesos in a R&D laboratory and factory with a uncertain future when you can use the same money to import finished goods ready to sell into the local market?

[ghosthunter]

Only thing at home that comes into mind that's truly Philippines-made beside food stuff are electric fans...everything else has a korean, japanese or chinese origin...

Can anyone name one large local company that's into manufacturing other than foodstuff?

Cigarettes?

Well, we used to make lot of microchips. Motorola and Intel were the leading companies of the time.

And before the boom in China, we used to export a lot of textiles and RTW clothing.

[Walter]

^^^ Add to that militant labor, inconsistent economic policies (win a project now, get sued by next administration), unstable politics, etc.

[ghosthunter]

^^^ Add to that militant labor, inconsistent economic policies (win a project now, get sued by next administration), unstable politics, etc.

Yup, add all that too.

I knew someone who had a local furniture making and assembly business and one day he had a worker's strike which stopped all operations. After sometime, he decided to closed up the factory and sell off all the equipment. In the end, all the workers got laid off.

Later, he re-opened his business by importing all his stuff from China (in a semi-knocked down condition to save space in the shipping container) and just hired a few people for assembly and delivery. Less headaches (from managing dozens of unionized workers), less overheads (no big expensive machines to maintain, less space since no need for factory, less power requirements) and more profits.

[randybm]

electric fans are also japanese... national - panasonic....

sarao???

sarao,,,, db bankrupt na yan ?hehehe

[uls]

Alam ko maraming henyong pinoy, mayroon tayong research pero kulang sa development.

Wala kasing mag-finance lalo na yung manggagaling sa gobyerno. Kaya ang mga scientist sa atin e nauuwi sa "sayangtist".

yup like i said sa page 1

lack of investment in Research and Duplicate...

and it's the culture

unlike Japan, SK, China, pinoys prefer to consume than produce

not a lot of businessmen here want to invest in manufacturing when importing finished products is a lot less hassle

and R&D/labor is expensive. who would want to invest money in R&D (and hope the make back the money years later) when you can make money now by importing and selling finished goods?

dito sa atin, capital just doesnt go to R&D

i'm sure there's skill here to make copies of stuff. but nobody's investing in that area

[uls]

kasi we are trained and educated to become technicians, mechanics, electricians instead of becoming inventors or designers. IMO may kulang ang educational system kasi di nabibigyan ng emphasis ang research and development.

yup. we're trained to fix what others create

we're not trained to create

[yapoy86]

Cigarettes?

Well, we used to make lot of microchips. Motorola and Intel were the leading companies of the time.

And before the boom in China, we used to export a lot of textiles and RTW clothing.

microchip industry here are all international investment, hindi sila pure pinoy..

ang tinatanong eh kung meron ba industry na pure pinoy like microchip assembly na pinoy technology..

dun nga sa korean company (na famous sa TV), more than 10 years na sila in operation sa calamba, up to now hindi pa nila pinapaubaya sa mga pinoy ang pag manage ng planta...

yung naman isang known microchip assembly (subcon) dyan sa may sucat eh hawak ng mga kano at koreano... pero up to now wala pang pinoy ang nag lakas ng loob na magtayo ng sariling microchip assembly factory...

kahit ata DOST walang facility for reverse engineering.. yung tipong nag aaral on how things work... tingnan nyo DOST ang support puro nasa food processing din...

[boydapa]

Simple lang ang sagot dyan 3 reasons:

1. Lahat tayo magaling---kahit pagsamasamahin mo pa ang 10 idiot na hapon tapos 10 puro magagaling na pinoy tapos na sila gumawa ng produkto tayo nagtatalo pa!

2. We cant work together--- admit it galing ba naman sa tribo/sultanate na lahi galit galit tayo sa isat isa parang probiprobinsya.

3. Orientation/character--- bilang pinoy ang priority natin sa buhay ay 1. Family 2. MOney. 3God 4, frends etc etc Last COuntry

So therefore wala talaga tayo mararating gnun lang yun!


no need to look further just look at tsikot lahat magaling o diba hehe peace

[uls]

kahit ata DOST walang facility for reverse engineering.. yung tipong nag aaral on how things work... tingnan nyo DOST ang support puro nasa food processing din...

kasi mas madali gumawa ng salted eggs kesa microchips hehe

[boydapa]

^ gaya nyan ni idol uls parang laging nikikibaka sa kanyang mga argumento hindi nagpapatalo( mukang pareho pa kami ng pinangalingan iskwelahan neto) hehe

imagine try to put together in R n D the Dream Team of Tsikot... mga idols pasensyahan na muna ah...

unahin na natin si ob, ghosthunter, niky, uls, shadow, starex, .... etc etc...

what do you think will be the product

peace sample lang hehe

[uls]

hahaha

reality TV show ba?

[boydapa]

hindi. parang miami... hehe

you got a bunch of really talented people who cant even work together

alanganin pa manalo sa oklahoma

[yapoy86]

kasi mas madali gumawa ng salted eggs kesa microchips hehe

haha reverse engineering daw ng salted eggs... paano gagawin unsalted yung salted egg... pwede...

[Boy Bastos]

^ gaya nyan ni idol uls parang laging nikikibaka sa kanyang mga argumento hindi nagpapatalo( mukang pareho pa kami ng pinangalingan iskwelahan neto) hehe

imagine try to put together in R n D the Dream Team of Tsikot... mga idols pasensyahan na muna ah...

unahin na natin si ob, ghosthunter, niky, uls, shadow, starex, .... etc etc...

what do you think will be the product

peace sample lang hehe

Hybrid ng Honda at Hyundai ang result.

:D

[niky]

yup. we're trained to fix what others create

we're not trained to create

To be fair, there's no Bachelor of Science Invention and Innovation...

Most of the great entrepreneurs and innovators both here and abroad are college drop-outs.

[light2light]

^ gaya nyan ni idol uls parang laging nikikibaka sa kanyang mga argumento hindi nagpapatalo( mukang pareho pa kami ng pinangalingan iskwelahan neto) hehe
imagine try to put together in R n D the Dream Team of Tsikot... mga idols pasensyahan na muna ah...
unahin na natin si ob, ghosthunter, niky, uls, shadow, starex, .... etc etc...
what do you think will be the product
peace sample lang hehe

boydapa, you made my day. ngayon, alam ko na kung bakit.........grin. peace!

[fourtheboys96]

haba na pala nitong thread eh di man lang pumasok sa email ko yung updates hehehe
magagandang puntos mga tol hehehe

ipadala mo sa ibang bansa mga pinoy magaling naman - mapa DH, estudyante, engineer, professionals, etc.

pag dating sa Pinas wala na. meron sa kultura natin na pumipigil sa pag-asenso. hindi corruption dahil sa ibang mayayaman na bansa eh meron din niyan.

takot ba tayo? masyado ba tayo magaling hehehe? mareklamo masyado? masyadong malaya?