3 Wheelers

[drey]

Ghost Hunter:

Meron ka na palang Pinoy Three Wheeler!

[ghosthunter]

Thanks ghosthunter. Designing and building that micro car is quite an achievement. Maybe the micro car is in somebody's garage somewhere. It would be a pity if it was lost forever.

Hopefully it's still in someone's garage today but I doubt if its anywhere near running condition given the actual project itself was more than twelve years ago.

The person to look for in regards to the MicroCar's current location & condition would be Mr. Samuel Cruz, formerly a professor and Manufacturing Engineering department chairman in DLSU years ago.

[dprox]

I was part of a research & design team in DLSU back in 1991 to 1994. The plan was to built a concept city car. It was pre-determined that a small engine and two seater car would be used. To save weight, a three wheel layout was chosen. Safety was NOT to be compromised. The design incorporated a passenger survival cell design which included side impact beams for added rigidity in non-frontal impacts.

Looks like DLSU & St Benilde are the places where things like this are happening. Maybe you can invite your former profs to the forums so I can retire and return to making bread and butter.
FYI, there's another proponent in this forum who's a confessed alumnus, and he proposes to build a minicar-people mover (kaya lang 4wheels). Guess who?

[architect]

Another three wheeler -

http://www.fuelvaporcar.com/html/the_car.html

Three wheels better than 4?:

The “alé” features a unique 3-wheeled configuration: 2 in the front, and one in the rear. The front wheels drive and steer the vehicle. This design enables the car to perform at a superb level, particularly in cornering, with the car easily pulling 1.7 g’s in corners during track testing on street tires. The three-wheeled automotive platform also aid in improving fuel efficiency and aerodynamics.

Vapor system:

The car’s key innovation's are the fuel vapor system and it's light weight aerodynamic body. This fuel vapor technology (which is in the patent pending process) allows the engine to run on “fuel vapors” rather than liquid fuel. The majority of gas engines today run 14.7:1 – (14.7 parts air to 1 part gasoline). This proprietary fuel vapor system allows the “alé” to run on a ratio of over 20:1 without compromising performance. According to the textbooks, this ratio is impossible, as a standard engine would not start or run on a air/fuel ratio this low. With a 10 gallon gas tank found on most vehicles, the “alé” can travel from Vancouver BC to San Francisco CA on one tank. Over 15 hours of driving without filling up.

[architect]

Performance:

Not only does the “alé” have extreme mileage capabilities, but its performance is outstanding and better than many high-end sports cars. It accelerates from 0-60 in 5 seconds, and will pull over 1.7 g’s in hard corner's on street tires. Brad Zimmerman, head tech for the company stated during testing at the Mission race track, “I drove it hard for 4 solid hours, throwing it into corners, accelerating and braking hard. The car’s performance is spectacular. After all that hard driving, we only went through $10 in gas.”



Emissions:

The “alé” runs on regular gasoline, and easily achieves the level of “super low” emissions with a 30% reduction in CO2. Even more impressive is the fact that all the data to date has been gathered without a catalytic converter.

Automotive X-Prize
FuelVapor Technologies will be entering the “alé” in the "Automotive X-Prize" competition for the most fuel efficient production vehicle http://xprize.acrobat.com/p92151066/.

The Future:

This is the first time the public have had a chance to view the “alé”. The company is currently seeking investors to take the “alé” into production.

Vehicle Specifications

Body

Hand-layed fiberglass composite

Chassis

Full tube frame with roll cage

Engine

High mileage Honda engine

Turbo Charged 1500cc

2 Stage single cam Vtec

Gasoline vapor fuel management system

180 HP

0-60 MPH in 5 seconds

1/4 mile time of 12.9 seconds

Transmission

5 speed standard, or 4 speed over drive automatic

Front Suspension

Honda CRX with fully adjustable coil over

Rear Suspension

Single sided swing arm with fully adjustable coil over

Steering

Porsche 911 rack and pinion (2.25 turns lock-to-lock)

Front Brakes

Front discs: 12.1" diameter vented and scallopped rotors, 4-piston calipers

Rear Brakes

10" disc brakes

Wheels & Tires

Aluminum 18" X 8" front and rear

Configuration

Two seat tandem. - shoulder seat belts

Dimensions

Wheelbase: 110”

Outside to outside track: 71.5"

Length: 174’’

Height: 50“

Dry Weight: 1400 lbs

Fuel Capacity: 10 gal.

Top speed: Electronically limited to 140 mph.

[ehnriko]

On this Trima vehicle, since it is supposed to work off a motorcycle engine, I'd like to ask a couple of questions...

1. Aren't motorcycle engines much more polluting than your standard auto engine?

ANSWER: There are 2-stroke engined cars (Ex. East German Travant or TRABANT's) and There are 4-stroke engined Motorcycles... (ex. Big Bikes, or the new XRM's with 150cc or 125cc displacements...)... A healthy engine pollutes less than an unhealthy one, but POWER to WEIGHT Ratio plays a vital role in making a less pollutant vehicle. The TRIMA is designed with bigger focus on Material Engineering which leads to better "Power to Weight" Ratios. The engine of choice as the prime mover is a 4-stroke Suzuki Hayabusa or anything similar. If you look around and observe the new model scooters or motorbikes that has a sticker saying - 4 stroke, check their exhaust pipes. These engines do not have a 2T oil lubrication system, which means, it has a similar oil lubrication system to your automobile. the answer is - depending on the engine of choice.


2. Can a motorcycle engine operate an A/C unit's compressor?

ANSWER: Any Internal Combustion Engine can power any AC compressor unit. The TRIMA has a sepparate engine located in the front end of the vehicle to power the the AC compresor and the Alternator... a small 60 or 90cc MC engine (preferrably 4 cycle) will be modified to adopt a Flywheel Pulley to drive the alternator and the AC comp... Therefore, no sacrificial power loss is done to the powertrain to propell the TRIMA, and moreover, you only use it when you need it. this is a pretty basic idea.

3. Seems to me the safety features were more implied than explained. I'd like to know what safety features will keep such a low profile vehicle from being run over by a bus or crashing and sliding under a truck. Just thinking in philippine traffic/road conditions terms....

ANSWER: Implied has it's basis... For presentation purposes, concept vehicles for street use are normally presented with lower stance or profile specially for American use. A mini cooper (the old one) shares the same riding height or even bumper height with the TRIMA... A Mini being ran over by a Bus is kind of a rare occurence. TRIMA in terms of size would fall into a Small Car Category... but Small doesnt necessarily means SLOW or Unresponsive. The idea is to provide above average power and controlability to the Driver, which eventually leads to SAFER road travel. Accidents happen when these situations are present: 1. You'r brakes are not strong enough. 2. You Car isn't fast enough to overtake a Bus or a Long Vehicle or Long Traffic., 3. You Vehicle doesn't seem to stick to the curves during hi speed... and 4. somebody fell asleep.

TRIMA is a dynamic handling Driver-Centric Vehicle. There is minimal Mechanical Loss in its power train... imagine, your normal car has a 1600cc engine and it's driving 2 wheels at the back or the front, power goes through the drive shaft, to the differential and again it passes through the axles and to the wheels. The wheels have rotational weights that consumes energy. Therefore, half of your engine power is literally driving the other wheel which makes it only 800cc per wheel minus power losses on the drive train which can account to about 30% more or less.

The TRIMA doesn't suffer from these power losses since there is no differential to drive to begin with. If we will place a 1000cc engine in it, then we literally have 1000cc on the wheel. since the Rear Wheel is centrally positioned, the vehicle always experience POSITIVE TRACTION. Race Cars use POSITRAK differentials in order to achieve this, but the TRIMA or any 3-wheeled cars are born with it.

STABILITY at high speeds; the wheel layout can be compared to a Hi-Speed Katamaran Power Boat... it has its driving force between the TWIN front Hulls.. this is an efficient and stable layout used for Hi-Speed Application.

HELMET NO MORE; since the cars body is your first line of defense against road hazard, the need for other safety gear becomes minimal to nill. However, Safety Impact Beams are integrated inside the Door Shells and the Internal Subframe acts as a passive safety feature since it is also a roll cage and an internal vehicle skeleton in one.

All in all, the above features creates an over-all experience which will make driving a TRIMA an adventure. This will keep the driver awake. And since TRIMA or any other small cars are painted with lighter colors, the attention it will be getting will also keep the hazard on you away in a passive manner.

There is still more interesting facts about this configuration.... but I hope the above answers your question.

hERE'S a glimpse of the TRIMA GTX CONCEPT... The Full-Racing Version.




Here a variant... a more civilian configuration...



And the Trima UTILI3 Experiment Concept.

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all the best...

[architect]

I still prefer the Trima GTX.

[donbuggy]

Any plans to manufacture the Trima? Or a prototype at least?

What is that on the rear end of the blue Trima, a handle? Is that how you would reverse it - by pulling the vehicle? Motorcycle engines have no reverse gear.

I prefer free-standing headlights and cycle type fenders (front) for three-wheelers rather than having lights and fenders flush with the body. This gives three-wheelers a visual connection to motorcycles. That way, people will think of them as motorcycles with one extra wheel rather than cars missing a wheel.

If the Trima and the Tsikot sports car were to go into production, it would be a good idea for both cars to share front suspension and steering assemblies to lower the cost.

[ehnriko]

Any plans to manufacture the Trima? Or a prototype at least?


What is that on the rear end of the blue Trima, a handle? Is that how you would reverse it - by pulling the vehicle? Motorcycle engines have no reverse gear.

I prefer free-standing headlights and cycle type fenders (front) for three-wheelers rather than having lights and fenders flush with the body. This gives three-wheelers a visual connection to motorcycles. That way, people will think of them as motorcycles with one extra wheel rather than cars missing a wheel.

If the Trima and the Tsikot sports car were to go into production, it would be a good idea for both cars to share front suspension and steering assemblies to lower the cost.

PM the design core group for your first question.

The Rear Pull Bar actually belongs to the rear subframe of a Honda Dio- Scooter, which I didn't remove. since it will have many purpose.

Regarding Reverse... Motorcycles are able to go on reverse... but it will need to shut the engine first and with a reversing switch the starters polarity and crank can go the opposite direction - the engine will go backwards... I haven't tried it yet, but a friend of mine who is into Motorbike Racing told me about this and explained to me how it can be done, I believe it can be done... since I was able to witness a Tricycle going on reverse with a 125cc engine in Cavite City way back in the early eighties. However, the push and pull handle at the Back of the T V.2 will serve its purposes.

Off road 2 seater Full size GoKarts are very popular here in Saudi, as well as in China. Theyre front suspensions are simple strut links, similar to Formula 1's, I believe we wont have any problem in manufacturing this in the Philippines... The strut links are mainly made out of Mild Steel tubular pipes, a holding fixture will be the main engineering work here to cut and weld the tubes and assemble them with available local ball joints and bushings. The wheel spindles can be that of normal motorcycles with disk brakes. Using an automotive (car) type suspension in front will only make this vehicle heavier... not ideal, however, the suzuki carry might have a lighter suspension, this we have to find out.

BMW made a concept car 5 years ago or so, it was built out of motorcycle parts, it has 4 wheels and 2 seats as well. It looked like the Lotus super 7, but a lot smaller and lower. They called it a 4 wheeled motorcycle. In Japan, a Suzuki Hayabusa Engine was fitted to a formula V Race car... this formula of fitting MC engines to automobiles was a practice done in the 1960's by sir John Cooper in England when he fitted honda Engines to his racing Mini's. They all have surprising results. The Formula V in Japan attained a top speed of 120 MPH... If it had only 3 wheels it could've attained more than that.

At any rate, fabricating our own front suspension can and will greatly reduce cost. Any automotive engineer or racing enthusiast locally can easily design a Hi-Performance Front suspension for this concept.

[ehnriko]

Architect,

Here are some GTX's on the West Wing.... White House in the background.



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[ilawod]

Ang ganda ng design nyo sir ehnriko.
Smile. Sa pag search ko sa internet, I have found this site of 3-wheeler. This 3-wheeler vehicle is going around the world starting last june 2007 to promote global warming alternatives. It runs on solar-electric power. One single charge has a distance of 200km. Uphill speed is 60kph. I don't know if it will drop by the Philippines. Sa nakita ko, hindi pwedeng maliitin ang 3-wheeler design.
Kung bigyan ka kaya ng 100,000 pesos na budget para dito sa 3-wheeler car, mabuo kaya ito ng pinoy? I don't know how to attached the pictures of mentioned vehicle. Will somebody help me? Thanks in advance.
Ang site niya ay www.solartaxi.com

[ilawod]

This is the picture. I hope I get it right. Sori po kung mali.

[architect]

*ehnriko,

Any details re the front - headlights, bumper design, etc.? Also, what about the interior?

I have actually convinced one of my junior business partners to consider buying the Trima, too.

[ehnriko]

*ehnriko,

Any details re the front - headlights, bumper design, etc.? Also, what about the interior?

I have actually convinced one of my junior business partners to consider buying the Trima, too.

Hi Architect;Trima prototype will be ready anytime next year 3rd quarter pa siguro... Godwilling.Front will be looking like any other normal car... we dont want it to look too futuristic. I believe the word is conspicuous. Headlamps - projector lamps HID is considered since this is a hi-speed vehicle. Front bumper is energy absorbing and is mounted to the subframe with collapsible brackets.I am still busy here up to December... I have to be there to directly supervise the vehicle construction. GTX and Trima v1.1 will be constructed simultaneously.

[ilawod]

I just found a site where 3 wheels concept was fully explained. It was done by a canadian, Pierre Ethier. Is it possible to use this as pinoy 3-wheel reference design? Attached is the picture and can be found on www.pierre.ethier*clevislauzon.qc.ca

[ghosthunter]

I just found a site where 3 wheels concept was fully explained. It was done by a canadian, Pierre Ethier. Is it possible to use this as pinoy 3-wheel reference design? Attached is the picture and can be found on www.pierre.ethier*clevislauzon.qc.ca

anything is possible but the picture seems to assume the car would be FWD?

[ilawod]

*sir ghosthunter

It is fwd. I am sorry mali ang link na naisulat ko . This should be it.
http://www.clevislauzon.qc.ca/Profes.../3wheels/index.
From mr. ethier comments, fwd is good for commuting and rwd is for sports.

[donbuggy]

I think it has something to do with the type of engine in the three-wheeler. A fwd layout can have a car engine which will be better for everyday driving, especially in stop-and-go traffic. This is because a car engine's torque will peak at lower revs compared to a motorcycle engine. Other advantages of using a car engine: easier to install air-conditioning, reverse gear, less noise.

The 1983-1985 Trihawk is a three-wheeler with a Citroen engine.
http://www.designmassif.com/trihawk/index.html

[ehnriko]

Ang ganda ng design nyo sir ehnriko.
Smile. Sa pag search ko sa internet, I have found this site of 3-wheeler. This 3-wheeler vehicle is going around the world starting last june 2007 to promote global warming alternatives. It runs on solar-electric power. One single charge has a distance of 200km. Uphill speed is 60kph. I don't know if it will drop by the Philippines. Sa nakita ko, hindi pwedeng maliitin ang 3-wheeler design.
Kung bigyan ka kaya ng 100,000 pesos na budget para dito sa 3-wheeler car, mabuo kaya ito ng pinoy? I don't know how to attached the pictures of mentioned vehicle. Will somebody help me? Thanks in advance.
Ang site niya ay www.solartaxi.com

Thank you very much for the compliment! regarding 3-wheeler cars - this is nothing new... the design dates back from the 1950's... in fact the first automobile was a steam powered 3 wheeler - trike configuration by Mercedes Benz.Then there is the Morgan from England - powered by a 2 cylinder engine in the front and it's a rear wheel drive config lay out with 2 wheels up front. In the 1980's - a kit car was introduced sharing the same wheel lay-out... they used a VW platform, with the front suspension of the VW Beetle upfront - they didn't find any difficulty converting the rear end and adopting a the Rear half of a Big bike Motor - it was called the TRI-MAGNUM. The problem was it didn't became so popular - although it was featured in Popular Science a few times... perhaps because of the limitations of the VW front Wheel Geometry... it's hard to adjust the cambers. I raced VW's for years in Slalom Racing.... (refer to my racing stories - http://cvwci.bravehost.com/Purplebug.html)The problem I had was always the understeering traits of the beetle. I managed to conquer it later on by modifying the wheels and suspensions, but - it was still handicapped compared to the negative camber settings of the toyota Starlets. Using a small scooter as the prime mover and donor bike, and some parts from the surplasan to compose the front end.... it will be a really tricky challenge to put up one with P100K budget. Unless, you can source most of your parts from the junk... which we apparently donot have. since the foreign junks are considered surplus in our local setting.Using a 4 stroke motorcycle engine with modified flywheel and modified cooling system can relatively be a environmentally friendly solution. I would also recommend using NewOil... I have tested this myself, mixing it with your engine oil and treating your intake system with this NewOil can dramatically lower the NoX emmission of any ICE engine. It also can significantly increase the compressions back to new levels as if your engine has been newly overhauled. Since it cleans the carbon deposits that sits in the valve seals, the engine regains fuller combustion of it's fuel. I have been using this for more than 15 years already in all my cars, even with my China made compressors that were always overheating before it was treated. But this is the secret why malakas ang loob kong gumamit ng MC engines for the TRIMA. .. I have compensating elements that is not commonly used yet but is highly efficient for industrial applications.Regarding Solar power.... mainly - you can solar power anything whatsoever... but the over-all vehicle dynamics will determine the over-all performance of the vehicle. Power to weight Ratios will play a big role here. If you can get the actual power rating of the engine from a dynanometer and divide it with the total weight of the vehicle... you can get how much HP is alocated per kilogram. The higher power per kilogram - the better for your mileage - whether solar, electric, diesel, ethanol, hydrogen or gas powered.If the vehicle has a dynamic design in terms of materials used, weight and balast engineering, aerodynamics, wheel size selection and correct gear ratios if not cvt is used, then - any power system will be fine, even hybrid.I hope this sheds more light...

[ilawod]

*sir ehnriko
Is NewOil an additive? I have googled NewOil and I have found a drilling liquid additive. I have seen this additive when I was working in drilling rigs 7 years ago. Is this the one you mentioned? Kindly enlightened us. I hope it is available in the Philippines. Is this possible in diesel driven vehicle? They also have an additive for diesel fuel to lessen pollution. I don't remember the name at the moment.