Audi R10 Diesel Race Car Wins Lemans. New Era In Racing?

**BlueBimmer** · June 23rd, 2006 03:36 PM

**niky** · June 23rd, 2006 03:42 PM

Oops... didn't know that one about the 320d, nice info, m2!

**theveed** · June 23rd, 2006 03:49 PM

BB: Was about to say the same thing.

**BlueBimmer** · June 23rd, 2006 04:07 PM

veed: we got ourselves a persistent one.

**BlueBimmer** · June 23rd, 2006 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by niky

Oops... didn't know that one about the 320d, nice info, m2!

98 320d...E36 body? yey!

**midinite** · June 23rd, 2006 05:19 PM

are we losing sight of the title of the thread? are you saying that it is commonplace for a Diesel engine to win a race that has always been run on petrol? Against the likes of porsche et al? Has everyone forgotten the fact that it isn't easy to run 5187 kms at an average of 215 km/h for 24 hours? Plus the fact that the car that came in second was behind by a full lap. Around the length of an entire F1 race.

**midinite** · June 23rd, 2006 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by mazdamazda

CAREFUL with that statement.

There are lots of Tsikoteers (here & stateside) here who drive a MB & BMW.

Does Audi have the balls to compete with the grandaddy of all motorsports? Formula 1?

FYI.

The first production diesel vehicle came from MB.

The first production turbodiesel vehicle came from MB.

The first production turbodiesel w/ direct injection vehicle came from Fiat.

The first diesel vehicle to win ANY kind of racing came from BMW (1998 24 Hours Nurburgring - BMW 320d).

Now tell me... who's pushing the diesel engine technology?

Okay...so i take it an opinion dissenting to that of the majority is not allowed in this forum? is it not supposed to be about discourse? and at least did it not get everyone's engines revving? What is interesting to note is that the passions do run deep and that their are differing opinions out here. That is the good thing about forums...to help us engage in discussions that would enable others to see all sides...

By the way, why didn't BMW continue the campaign on diesel?

I should have re-phrased my statement then to the first diesel to win Le Mans...

The key is to watch how things progress over the years and indeed see if again this is just a fluke or a new era. Hence the question in the beginning.

**theveed** · June 23rd, 2006 05:30 PM

VW has long been running all diesel races... Nakikisakay lang naman Audi sa development ng diesel engines ng VW eh, VW owns Audi and VW sells diesel trucks, commercial vehicles etc... So it's not Audi's fame we're talking about here, it's VW's.

**theveed** · June 23rd, 2006 05:31 PM

Reminds me of the other thread of why BMW isn't making a legitimate Porsche contender thread.

**BlueBimmer** · June 23rd, 2006 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by theveed

VW has long been running all diesel races... Nakikisakay lang naman Audi sa development ng diesel engines ng VW eh, VW owns Audi and VW sells diesel trucks, commercial vehicles etc... So it's not Audi's fame we're talking about here, it's VW's.

un naman pala e

**midinite** · June 23rd, 2006 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by theveed

VW has long been running all diesel races... Nakikisakay lang naman Audi sa development ng diesel engines ng VW eh, VW owns Audi and VW sells diesel trucks, commercial vehicles etc... So it's not Audi's fame we're talking about here, it's VW's.

Point taken...shouldn't the cause be one for Diesel getting its due. To be considered capable of running with or better than petrol, right? Because diesel may sometimes be perceived as being incapable of delivering power? Isn't it for the benefit of all when new in-roads in technology are made? So the driver has a choice?

It is beyond brand of vehicle but rather the fact that their is an alternative fuel that may (and I stress "may") be better?

**mazdamazda** · June 23rd, 2006 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by midinite

are we losing sight of the title of the thread? are you saying that it is commonplace for a Diesel engine to win a race that has always been run on petrol? Against the likes of porsche et al? Has everyone forgotten the fact that it isn't easy to run 5187 kms at an average of 215 km/h for 24 hours? Plus the fact that the car that came in second was behind by a full lap. Around the length of an entire F1 race.

IMO.

It has been done before... what you are saying (from your first post) is as if only Audi is the one into using diesel engine for motorsports / racing. Some examples:

As I've said... a BMW 320d (E36) was the first diesel vehicle to win a race (with other petrol-powered competitors) in the 1998 24 Hours Nurburgring.

BMW has also been making strides by topping the Diesel Class of the past two Dakar Rally (using an X5) and by finishing 2nd (AFAIK) behind the gas powered Pajeros (and outpacing VW's Touareg V10 TDi).

Cummins has a diesel powered dragster than can do an 8 second 1/4 pass. Incidentally, Cummins built the world's first diesel racing car. Another American company, Duramax, is also developing diesel racing engines.

The Opel Eco-Speedster broke 17 international records (monitored by the FIA) with their 1.3L CDTi engine.

Mercedes-Benz even went further by introducing in the market a diesel-powered sports car... the SLK 320d which has three turbos!

Bottomline... diesel engine for racing isn't really a new idea.... the Le Mans win by Audi isn't really surprising and is just waiting to happen.

Originally Posted by midinite

Okay...so i take it an opinion dissenting to that of the majority is not allowed in this forum?

When you start talking about BMW and MB drivers as wannabes... that isn't dissenting anymore... that is just plain NAMECALLING / FLAMING.

**midinite** · June 23rd, 2006 05:56 PM

I think the underlying issue is to see beyond marque loyalty and assess whether or not this is a turning point...like possibly quattro did in the 80s...in fact they featured the first female team to win in the Rally comp.

**theveed** · June 23rd, 2006 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by midinite

Point taken...shouldn't the cause be one for Diesel getting its due. To be considered capable of running with or better than petrol, right? Because diesel may sometimes be perceived as being incapable of delivering power? Isn't it for the benefit of all when new in-roads in technology are made? So the driver has a choice?

It is beyond brand of vehicle but rather the fact that their is an alternative fuel that may (and I stress "may") be better?

Well, I guess it depends on the race type, some race type requires HP availability over torque so a diesel might not be the best option.

In addition, apart from car testing (engine/suspension/chassis etc), sponsors such as fuel and tire companies are in it as well... Maybe there are lesser possible advancement for diesel fuels than petrol so lesser petrol races are setup.

**niky** · June 23rd, 2006 06:12 PM

Yes, it's something beyond marquee loyalty. And i agree, it's the most high-profile diesel win ever because the LMP class is the most technologically advanced anywhere (even compared to F1)...

But we're not the ones who started bashing other brands...

**Bogeyman** · June 23rd, 2006 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by midinite

are we losing sight of the title of the thread?

I suppose that question is best addressed to you, since you yourself had deviated from the topic title as early as your second post...

Originally Posted by midinite

for god's sake BMW can't even complete F1 races. Here you have Audi beating the entire field with an engine no one had the balls to risk racing with. Now it makes you wonder why here everyone is so BMW crazy? Weird that BMW even has ads now for their diesel engined cars that aren't even in the country...wonder why?

And as mazdamazda mentioned, a number of members here own BMW and MB vehicles. You know, the ones you just labelled as 'wannabe' cars? You might want to go easy on your sweeping statements. 'Wannabe'? Gimme a break.

**5Speed** · June 23rd, 2006 06:36 PM

hmmm meron na rin bang diesel powered motorcycle na road legal??

ganda sigurong kabitan ng trycicle yan.... torque baby!!! harharharharhar

**theveed** · June 23rd, 2006 06:41 PM

Di ata kayang gawan ng block na ganyan ka nipis for high compression diesel... unless may new age alloy na pwede...

then again, I googled and these came up...

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bikes.html
http://www.f1engineering.com/diesel%20bike%20specs.html
http://www.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/...2942MWED66.htm
http://www.gizmag.co.uk/go/4273/

hehe...

**mazdamazda** · June 23rd, 2006 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by 5Speed

hmmm meron na rin bang diesel powered motorcycle na road legal??

ganda sigurong kabitan ng trycicle yan.... torque baby!!! harharharharhar

Meron po...

http://www.hdtusa.com/

They are currently producing diesel motorcycles for the US Military... no commercial models yet because: "Due to increased production requirements for our military motorcycles, HDTUSA has had to delay production of our commerical models."

Meron pang isa:

http://www.dieselmotorcycle.co.uk/

Pero Oct 2006 pa ang start of ordering...

**midinite** · June 23rd, 2006 07:28 PM

To the Group,
Apologies...if i offended with the colorful expression.

Again...back to the premise is this the beginning? Has diesel come of age? Is it premature to make such a statement...from the way the forum has developed here are the facts:

Diesel has sporadically won in different races...

Another automobile manufacturer is now campaigning it actively as they enter the American Lemans Series. After the heels of its teutonic counterparts. We cannot negate the fact that it is significant win. Would it be too far fetched that someday soon even F1 may find some diesel entrants if rules would allow? It is more efficient? It has more torque...

The question remains...Is this the dawn of a new era...or just another vainglorious attempt...only time will tell.

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