Radiator overflow container not returning water

[wham_10mbps]

Dear fellow tsikoteers - I need your thoughts.

I drive from manila/pampanga to baguio atleast twice a month for the past three years and didn't experience any cooling related problems not until recently. Minsan longer drives pa during holidays, oftenly loaded with 4 to 7 adults including myself.

During my last trip, I noticed my temp exeeding half up to the 3/4 mark. I experience this until now regardless of either uphill or patag after driving for 3+ hours.

Visually checking, laging napupuno yung overflow container at meron traces of water being spilled out from it. Should be normal kasi yun nga ang purpose ng overflow container when internal pressure exceeds its threshold thru the pressure relief valve ng radiator cap. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The problem is that water is not being sucked back to the radiator as water cools down (as water contracts) when slowing down or even when leaving the car parked overnight.

Most recent action I did was to replace the radiator cap with a new one. Federal Mogul yung brand and pressure rating is according to spec (0.9) but problem persisted.

Ride is a 3.1L 4JG2 TDIC Trooper that is religiously maintained. Been using plain distilled water with no coolant eversince and I drain and replace this once to twice a year or soon as I see traces of kalawang.

Any thoughts what could be the problem? What could I have missed maintenance-wise?

[baludoy]

you should also check your water pump & your thermostat bro. maybe there lies the problem if they're already busted

[niky]

Coolant helps prevent the rust formation. If you've been using plain water, it's a good bet that your thermostat is stuck.

[zman]

Could it be that there is a small leak or hole along the hose from the radiator to the overflow containter? If so, it would be like sucking water through a straw with a hole in its side.

[v6dreamer]

A bad radiator cap will cause one to do this,it lets too much of the coolant pass by the cap,and runs the over flow jug over on it. Since replace that already check the thermostat also this may be going bad.

When was the last time you change the coolant? You might as well drain your old coolant for possible contaminant. When draining your radiator you can refill with water, start engine, recirculate the water by turning your heather, drain again. Do this for several times till water are all clear. Then refill with 50/50 coolant and distilled water.

On your reservoir DO NOT overfill. There is a coolant level mark on the plastic, if none, leave at least 1/4. Again donot overfill.

[wham_10mbps]

Hello baludoy, niky, zman and v6dreamer. It was a long weekend for me so I just read your responses. I greatly appreciate them. Long din yung response post ko so please bear with me. sensya na.

Travelled a total of 180+ kms over the weekend and ended up refilling around 800ml of water on the rad when I reached my destination same as when I got back home. Container overflowed again and few very light brown water marks sprinkled on my windshield and bumper. Mukhang galing sa overflow container kasi medyo ganun din kulay ng tubig sa loob ng container. I also have to spill away excess water from the overflow container para nasa full level lang sya. Steady lang naman sa 1/2 yung gauge kasi siguro dahil walang uphil. I just drained and refilled my rad a month ago. Kelangan ko na ata pa overhaul ang rad ...

sarap sana laging mag byahe kasi 21.50 nalang diesel kaso my cooling system is faulty.

I have checked the surrounding objects of the water pump but didn't see any leakages. Water is normally circulating and no foul smell even after a long drive. Fan is also ok.

Checked the small hose connecting the rad to the overflow container for possible micro holes but none.

Wala akong thermostat since then pero dati meron about 3-4 years ago. Not sure pero do you think we would be able to get to the root of this assuming the thermostat will resove the problem?

I am considering using a coolant after I spot the problem. I saw a 50/50 pre dilluted from prestone. Ok ba eto for diesel? and sabi sa intructions is no need to add water ... what if I do? Meron din concentrated from the same brand. which do you suggest?

[1D4LV]

di naman kaya barado yung radiator mo? so hindi nakakacirculate ng maigi yung coolant or water? ang effect nya is bumabalik sya sa reservoir, kaya parating puno yun.

[macsd]

wham, your right on the spot. the brownish water stains is a sign of rust in the the radiator. go and give an overhauling. i suggest you bring back the thermostat. that will help to warm up your engine faster and bring it to optimum running condition coming from a long engine rest.

once the over haul is done, additive coolant will also be a great help.

[wham_10mbps]

1D4LV and macsd, Sirs, thanks for the response. Will go for the overhaul and will post the results after another long drive this coming weekend.

[wham_10mbps]

Just had my radiator overhauled last saturday. Yung ibang fins barado nga ng kalawang at kung ano pang particles yun. After the cleaning, binalik yung top, hininang and chineck for tagas. Then tapped it with 80% disltilled water + 20% coolant. Sabi ok pa naman water pump kasi kitang kita naman na nag cicirculate and coolant at walang leak. So I went for another long drive.

After driving for about 60kms to subic via sctex, sakto doon sa toll gate, pansin ko lumampas sa 1/2 yung temp up to 3/4, so i drove until I reached a safe place to pull over. Nung chineck ko yung radiator, nawalan ulit ng tubig! so I have to tap it with about 800ml of water. Same case when I drove back home, nawalan din ng water yung Radiator for about 500-800ml at napupuno lang yung overflow container at hindi bumabalik. I normally cruise at 80-100kph.

When I used the vehicle yesterday (Sunday) for about 2-3 hours of city driving (stop-and-go, traffic under the heat of the sun, quick accelerations, and speed not over 60kph), pansin ko hindi naman nag babawas. I'm quite puzzled at this point.

other observations:
-no traces of leaks when parked overnight
-no traces of leaks on the hoses
-in less than 2 minutes, temp easily rises to 1/2 mark when at idle during traffics.

Mirco hole on the radiator? Any other possibilities?

[1D4LV]

^^check your radiator cap....mukhang kailangan na ding palitan.

[rmpmla]

check the clutch of the radiator fan - baka loose na. experienced this before, umiikot naman radiator fan pero hindi nagbabago speed kahit i-rev ko yung engine.
The clutch was refilled with silicon afterwhich -OK na.

[wham_10mbps]

Thnx 1D4LV, a week ago, I just changed my radiator cap from 0.9 to 1.1bar. Manual says [SIZE=2]12.8-17 psi so I believe I should be fine. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]Pansin ko nga parang same ang radiator fan speed kahit mag rev ako. Ok leme check on that area. Thnx rmpmla.
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[wham_10mbps]

Update ko lang additional findings and actions ko. Also have few questions.

- Placed the vehicle on an inclined area and bled the radiator for possible air.
- radiator fan speed is ok pero madali lang syang ikutin pag naka stop engine. Is this loose or normal. How do I tighten it?
- After driving, nag lagay ako ng newspaper sa ilalim ng engine to findout kung meron leak ang water pump and etc. Left it to idle for a few minutes - then parked it overnight. End result is negative leaks.
- Next day at idle, I've noticed some bubbles on the radiator top opening after topping up with water. After placing back the radiator cap, the upper radiator hose becomes hard after few minutes of idle. After being driven on a highway for about 15mins or 10-15kms, I've noticed bubble noise coming from the overflow container. When I opened it, it was full of water/coolant and bubbles were visible as if it was boiling. I think there is air pressure coming from the Radiator? Slowly openned the radiator cap, then I've noticed bawas na yung tubig ng close to 1L. Also noticed intermittent light gray smoke during idle on traffics and light to medium Black Smoke on 3000rpm while driving.

Signs of BHG? Top Overhaul?

[zanch]

check rad cap and drain plug paps. Kung ayaw dalin mo na sa iyong suking radiator shop.

[dhoyosel]

bro baka gasket na ng cylinder ang problem mo pa check mo na

[wham_10mbps]

zanch, dhoyosel thanks sa response.

Hanggang third opinion sa mga ibat ibang shops, head gasket ang culprit dahil sa pressure build-up kaya pina top over haul ko na.

Cylinder Head Gasket but wait there's more ang problem.
May micro hole ang isang hose sa bandang likod ng engine malapit sa firewall kaya mahirap makita pag di inalis yung intercooler, may tama din yung 4th cylinder liner OUCH! and best of all may maliit na crack and cylinder head ... OUCH! OUCH!!

2 Days na naka confine sa shop yung sasakyan ko, sana madaan pa sa machine shop ang cylinder head crack habang nag iipon ng pang bagong engine.

Sabado bukas at mababantayan ko sasakyan. Mag lilibot din para sa parts na kelangan.

Update ko thread kung ano magiging progress.

Meantime mga sirs, pa share ng mga experiences nyo ... ie. cost, break-in procedure ... para more or less ma contrast ko sa inputs ng mechanic ...

[zanch]

Sige paps sana maayos na yan. Pag ok yung shop paki post na din for reference and loc. Thanks!

[wham_10mbps]

update ko lang thread.

pumasa sa initial crack test ang cylinder head ko.. so good thing.
yung liners naman, nasa upper tip lang yung defect about 0.5mm na galos ng tubig most probably. Sabi ng mechanic, hindi naman daw umaabot sa area na yun yung piston ring. There'll be another round of crack and leak test after the machine shop works e.g. resurfacing ...

Eto ang gastos ko sa machine shop.

Valve seat reface 680.00
Valve reface 520.00
Replace Valve guide 680.00
Crack test 500.00
Cly head resurfacing 1,200.00

Post ko complete cost pagka tapos lahat.

[treborhon]

Baka may butas yung cap ng resorvoir mo kaya imbes na ang radiator mo ang sumipsip yung resorvoir mo ang kumukuha ng tubig kasi may butas.Ganyan din sakin eh.