Question re: Closed threads

[Galactus]

I'm specifically referring to the LA Cars (Ingat kayo sa LA Cars) and Starbright (Binaboy kotse nya...) threads.

The former was closed, while the latter has remained open. But reading the contents, the posts in the Starbright thread are more...well...Rated R (for lack of a better term).

Both parties were also given the chance to air their respective positions, and both threads have not reached a conclusion. AFAIK, nobody has ever resorted to name-calling, and posters have also been admonished to refrain from doing such.

Methinks the LA Cars thread should be re-opened, inasmuch as LA Cars himself is an active poster, and has not yet presented his so-called evidence. Blue Rhino has dared him to do such, and his silence on the matter is puzzling. Honestly, I am curious as to how the incident will be resolved, considering that LA Cars has a "history" with regards to customer satisfaction (just check the other online car forums).

Maybe the mods/admins can enlighten us on the matter? If a thread is closed, who can re-open it?

[nicolodeon]

I'm not familiar with the threads so I'll just answer your 2nd query: who can re-open threads? Threads can be re-opened by an Administrator or Super Moderator. However, theere has to be good and compeling reasons why the thread should be re-opened. These reasons have to be brought to the attion on of the other Admins and Super Mods for deliberation and subsequent decision. But, there might be times when re-opening threads would be judgement calls from the Senior Admins/Owners of Tsikot. In these cases, best judgements/assumptions are made by co-owners bearing in mind what wouild be good in general for the community.

[LadyRider]

Question din lang po sana. Kapag nasara ba ang isang thread, yung TS po ba ay mawawalan din ng TCash points? Kung ganun po, gaano kalaking points ang mawawala dun sa Thread Starter? Thanks po!

[Flagg]

Minsan lang kami mag-agree ni Galactus. Honga, why closed yung LACars thread?

[jedi]

im still not at home,ill post an answer later

[Horsepower]

I've been longing to ask the same question, but chose to read more because I'm utterly clueless why it was closed when clearly, a lot of complainants are bound to come up.

If the sides vs sides is the premise, then all complaint threads should be closed.

[CEREAL_KILLER]

i HEART L.A. Cars! lolz

[jedi]

there is a valid reason why we closed temporarily the LA cars complaint thread...

I've personally contacted lacars and rey sy, but rey is still out of the country... I will get their final statements and find a way on how to resolve the issue. Lahat naman madadaan sa mabuting usapan.

Regarding the Starbright thread, both parties are already talking to each other, kung medyo napapatagal man maresolve issue nila , maybe because di pa nagkakasundo.

now, before i post all the details and answer all the pending questions... i will still have to wait for rey sy.

We've done this before sa case ng autotechnika, we closed the thread temporarily and opened in again nung nagkaroon ng kasunduan ang both parties.

while sa starbright case, based on their post, may napagkasunduan na yung both parties pero di pa yata naibibigay lahat.

Tsikot wants to give proper judgement sa mga cases na ganito, we dont want trial by publicity... as much as we are always pushing to promote consumers rights, tsikot is also a venue for the defendant to air their side para patas.

there is a rumor going on that La Cars is an advertiser or sponsor of tsikot kaya naclose ang lacars complaint thread, i beg to disagree.. I even closed and deleted the thread of LA Cars na nagamit as their showroom at sa pagpromote ng shop nila... We dont allow self promotion in tsikot... madaming nag nagseselfpromote sa tsikot pero pag labis na, we will then have to delete it.

Now even if LAcars became a sponsor or advertiser of tsikot, yes we will promote them... but it doesnt mean that tsikot will act as their lawyers and defend them kung sakaling may magreklamo sa kanila... it will still be up to them kung pano nila ihahandle ang problem... Tsikot will always be in the middle.

Remember, tsikot members consists of consumers, shop owners, service providers, agents from car dealers, buyers, sellers etc... and as members,,, everyone is entitled to be given time to defend themselves kung sakaling may reklamo sa bawat isa.

sa mga cases na nagiging mainit ang discussion lalo na sa goonsquad... as much as possible, we want to see cases and issues being resolved... lalo na if both parties ay nagpakita ng interest to settle the issue within tsikot forums.

again... ill wait for rey sy to return.

WORLD PEACE

[mazdamazda]

I've been longing to ask the same question, but chose to read more because I'm utterly clueless why it was closed when clearly, a lot of complainants are bound to come up.

If the sides vs sides is the premise, then all complaint threads should be closed.

+1 on this.

There are tons of "complaints" thread here in the forums, like the following:

- certain Toyota casas
- Jell Transport
- Miller West Ave.
- Poorboy's Baguio
- Prowheels Pasig
- Cebu Pacific
- etc.

Should those threads be closed also while we wait for an official statement from those entities?

Now why was my last post as a reaction to Horsepower's post deleted?

:jawdrop:

[suv]

May point nga si mazdamazda....

[jedi]

when theveed closed the thread

I'm closing this thread as both sides told their stories.

Until the ACTUAL complainant and defendant starts a thread about the SPECIFIC issues involved, speculations and hearsays will resolve nothing.

We respected his point... now... para sa ganun eh may maresolve na issue... I will wait for mr sy to talk to me and ask him kung ano gusto nya mangyari... if he wants La cars to apologize sa misunderstanding nila or kung ano pa man... I think Lacars posted an apology na din sa thread na yun, then mr sy replied calling the attention of other people na may reklamo pa againsts lacars...

now kung meron pang complaints for lacars, pwede magopen ng thread ulit... walang problema duon... but that thread is about mr sy and lacars... its about the exchange of text messages between them... if there is another issue that we dont know... it will be for another thread.

now for other topics like

- certain Toyota casas
- Jell Transport
- Miller West Ave.
- Poorboy's Baguio
- Prowheels Pasig
- Cebu Pacific
- etc.

if any representatives from that company attempted to send their statements or settle the issue.. then we will give them a chance to settle it.. if not , wala tayong magagawa but to leave those thread open.

our judgement might be against other members, but if we believe that its the best for the community.. we will do it and make stand for it.

[architect]

Actually the thread’s closure (albeit temporary per jedi) is to the disadvantage of LA Cars insomuch as they are the service provider. Any unresolved doubts, and certainly there are in this case, will invariable affect their sales. After all, LA Cars saw it fit to promote their services via forum posts, acknowledging the fact that Tsikot members are more than likely to be their potential clients. Otherwise they wouldn’t have wasted their time.

As a potential client, of course, I would like to see how this issue is eventually resolved. Of course, no one in his right mind would patronize a shop when there is a potential for him to be physically or verbally abused.

However unlike other cases such as Starbright’s, where physical evidence was presented, this case is trickier to be resolved in the sense that it could easily be a he said, she said matter. (Of course, here is it he said, he said.) Moreover, no sales transaction was completed. Thus whatever damage that may have occurred, perceived or otherwise, is easily contested.

That said, if both parties approach the issue with a positive mindset towards an amicable resolution, I don’t see any reason why it can’t be done. Actually, I am hoping it would be this way.

[eyshmechanic]

my apology but i couldn't help it. reading this arouse my curiosity and looked for the said closed thread. i think you're right in closing it because i my self get annoyed to dplomat and lacars and really tempted to post reply against the two or one? fortunately it's closed.

btw what happened to the broken windshield anyone knows?

peace to all men!

[v22]

i wish it it was'nt closed.. issues like those shoul perenially haunt these establishments... they have reaped the benefits of posting in the forums, they get known customers visit em even if they are OFFLINE. now they should also be responsible with the bad publicity they are getting even if they claim they are out of the country.

The only persons who would be informed of such bad publicities are the one's who were online at the time... me feel that closing/changing the threads tittle is for the benefit of the said shop.. LA cars.

Now i have no beef with that shop, nor have visited or bought anything from em.... these are purely observations on what i happen to come across in this forum and my own opinions.

[jedi]

Sir, yung nagcomplain po ang wala sa pinas during that time, nakausap ko na din si mr ray sy, im just waiting for his final statement.

i wish it it was'nt closed.. issues like those shoul perenially haunt these establishments... they have reaped the benefits of posting in the forums, they get known customers visit em even if they are OFFLINE. now they should also be responsible with the bad publicity they are getting even if they claim they are out of the country.

The only persons who would be informed of such bad publicities are the one's who were online at the time... me feel that closing/changing the threads tittle is for the benefit of the said shop.. LA cars.

Now i have no beef with that shop, nor have visited or bought anything from em.... these are purely observations on what i happen to come across in this forum and my own opinions.

[architect]

The only persons who would be informed of such bad publicities are the one's who were online at the time... me feel that closing/changing the threads tittle is for the benefit of the said shop.. LA cars.

I don't quite understand how closing the thread (temporarily) without the issue being resolved would be advantageous to the shop.

I, for one, as a potential client, have made a decision not to patronize them until the issue has been resolved. In the meantime, if I happen to come across one of their competitors and am satisfied with what I see and feel, chances are I would end up being a client there. That, obviously would be, LA Cars' loss.

[v22]

I don't quite understand how closing the thread (temporarily) without the issue being resolved would be advantageous to the shop.

I, for one, as a potential client, have made a decision not to patronize them until the issue has been resolved. In the meantime, if I happen to come across one of their competitors and am satisfied with what I see and feel, chances are I would end up being a client there. That, obviously would be, LA Cars' loss.

It's like this.. imagine the government is facing a serious scandal.. tabloids are having a fiasco dealing with the HOT issue.. then the issue SUDDENLY fizzles and be outstanded by other issue/topics e.g bombings etc... Just like that, peoples attention will forget about the brouhaha re the government.. saving certain individuals from the "hot seat".tain

i for one got informed on how LA Cars "would/might" treat some potential customers... because i was around when that thread was hot.. now its waay below now, bet some did'nt even notice it anymore.. i did'nt too at first.. since the thread tittle got changed... At least the government resort to some "schemes" to save face or bury certain issues... but the LA cars got away.. swiftly and silently without lifting an eye brow.. In my belief.. if the said shop was bright enough to post threads and introduce their services.. they should be responsible to settle accusations given to them... Something i have'nt seen yet.. just a certain DPLOMAT continuosly posting good feedback for LA cars.. which was clearly an act of deceit for potential customers.

Jedi;

sorry if i got the two parties mixed.

[architect]

Hi v22,

Regardless of whether issues are resolved or not, they will eventually fade from the public's mind, their Warholian 15 minute of fame well used up, so to speak. It is simply the way things are. As to whether there will be lasting damage for not, it would be pretty much left to the mindset of the individual.

In the conventional structure of the forum, threads that are inactive or closed invariably get buried in the back pages. Thus if the LA Car issue were resolved immediately and reactions died down, the thread will soon enough get buried in the back pages, and the whole issue, relegated to the backs of our collective minds.

On the other hand, if the thread were to remain open, then for as long as there are new posts, it will always be bumped up with every new post - and stay in the limelight, so to speak. This gives both parties every opportunity to state their respective cases. In such case, LA Cars could do well to use the opportunity to contain the damage and defend its reputation. Unfortunately it has failed to do so, leaving open a lot of doubts in the minds of, I am sure, quite a few members. That's why I think the closure of the thread is not advantageous to LA Cars. Had they managed to resolve the issue amicably, the closure would have been advantageous since it will effectively kill the thread, contain the damage, and let time take care of the rest as the thread eventually slides into the back pages.

As things stand now, I am sure a lot of members have serious doubts about LA Cars, especially considering its prolonged silence on the issue. It is extremely easy for LA Cars to simply start a new thread and finally defend its case just as it is extremely easy for DPLOMAT to continuously post good feedback.

As to DPLOMAT's motive for continuously posting good feedback on LA Cars, I would say it is his/her every right to do so - just as it is our right, and the right of the rest of the tsikoteers to put those feedback in the context of the whole situation and judge for ourselves.

[v22]

Got your point there architect, so it seems that the closure of the thread brought both positive and negative effects for the said shop.

Can't say much bout the DPLOMAT character though.. simply searching all the posts he did ever since he became a member here were all positive posts for LA cars... as for me, it's enough conclusion that the said shop uses deceiving tactics to lure customers and even try to defend their reputation for them... a tactic utterly disgusting for an establishment who claims to be a PRO..

[architect]

Exactly. Glad you got the point. LA Cars could have made it advantageous for them had they seized the opportunity to defend their position. That they did not made them look bad instead.

And DPLOMAT's continued positive feedback posts only worsen the situation for LA Cars, simply because members like you are smart enough to to do a straightforward search of all of DPLOMAT's posts and make a conclusion from all his/her posts.