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    #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Witcher View Post
    Bukod sa UPS dapat me backup system sila lalo na importante yung equipment. Me budget naman kaso sa iba ata ginamit. [emoji16]

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    I fully agree. Hence, they need a disaster recovery (DR) site.

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    #142
    https://youtu.be/AF9CX6YDp5I

    Proud na proud nga nung na install nung 2018 yung equipment na 2010 pa binili.

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    #143
    Asan na ba si mcsd, leonleon at stigg ma? Parang no comment dito?

    Mukhang natataon sa pivatization moves itong fiasco na ito ah.

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    #144
    Quote Originally Posted by glenn_duke View Post
    https://youtu.be/AF9CX6YDp5I

    Proud na proud nga nung na install nung 2018 yung equipment na 2010 pa binili.
    So it's a case of credit grabbing gone wrong Pala [emoji1787]

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    #145
    Quote Originally Posted by baludoy View Post
    So it's a case of credit grabbing gone wrong Pala [emoji1787]

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    DDS in 2018: Build, build, build yan!

    DDS in 2023: Actually taga-gupit lang si Digong ng ribbon.

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    #146
    Baustista got the job on political merit... c/o of the Kapitan.

    THAT's the tack that President Marcos Jr.'s airport officials, particularly his Transport Secretary Jaime Bautista, are using to explain the unprecedented shutdown of the Philippines' airspace on New Year's Day, which resulted in the cancellation of flights to and from Manila, stranding 60,000 passengers.

    They claimed that the country's Communications, Navigation and Surveillance Systems for Air Traffic Management (CNS/ATM) system conked out because its two power supplies failed, that it was an old system.

    What really happened was an unbelievable howler: airport technicians plugged the 220-volt system to a 380-volt power line, damaging it.

    The reality is Bautista is lying to cover up a colossal bungling of the system by him and his staff in operating the system. Having been PAL president for a decade, he should also have called for extra precautions to ensure the system's operation during the holidays especially on New Year's even and day — which he didn't.

    He should either resign, or at least take a leave until some fact-finding, authoritative body, such as a Senate committee on public service determines what really happened on New Year's Day.

    Following is the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) Director General Manuel Tamayo's verbatim detailed explanation of the boo-boo, as reported by the Manila Bulletin in its January 1 issue. Laugh or cry, I bet you will:

    "Tamayo explained that power supply is not actually the main issue since they have two major sources of electricity to run the operations at NAIA — the commercial electricity from the Meralco and the standby generator which has the capability of operating the equipment 24/7.

    The problem, he said, was that the power outage and the ensuing power surge affected the equipment being used by the NAIA for the CNS/ATM system.

    'The operation of the CNS/ATM primarily depends on the commercial power supply and is backed up by standby generators, which actually form part of the uninterrupted power supply (UPS) design supposedly to ensure that the entire operation would not fail.'

    What happened is that when one of the power sources failed (as a result of the power outage), both the supply from the commercial and standby generator eventually did not power the system,' said Tamayo.

    Blowers

    Tamayo said that troubleshooting had to be done and the initial result revealed that one of the blowers of the UPS gave out a warning and eventually conked out. It happened at 9:49 a.m.

    'Supposedly, there should be no problem because it is supposed to be fail-safe due to two UPS systems. But for one reason or another, the other UPS did not come online so troubleshooting had to be done,' said Tamayo.

    He said CAAP personnel then bypassed the UPS that conked out to reconnect the supply from the standby generator. This resulted in the restoration of the system.

    But at 12:18 p.m., Tamayo said, CAAP personnel monitored an indication of over-voltage: 'So instead of getting 220 volts, what came in was 380 volts so immediately they shut down the system to avoid further damage to the equipment.'

    In short, what happened is what many of us stupidly did when decades ago it was popular to bring home from abroad American appliances. The most impatient in the family plugged these into Meralco's 220-volt outlet, when these required only 110 volts. Appliance busted.

    As Tamayo himself related, in this incident, the technicians in charge of the P11 billion CNS/ATM plugged Meralco's 380-volt power line (which it uses in the so-called three-phase power for heavy electricity users, such as airports with their 24/7 massive air conditioners) to the CNS/ATM system that uses only 220 volts.


    Bautista and Tamayo were using technical language to fool us. It wasn't a power surge but a wrong power line that they plugged the system into.

    Tamayo though didn't get to answer the questions that obviously should have been asked for him to clarify his statements:

    1. Didn't the providers of the P11 billion navigation system emphasize — put a warning label as I do in my US-made gadgets — that it can only use 220 volts, and not 380 volts?

    2. If it was a Meralco line they used to get power, didn't anybody know that Meralco lines use 380 volts for heavy electricity users, and that they should have used that P400 gadget my electrician for instance uses, to determine the voltage of any power outlet before an electric device is plugged into it?

    3. If it was a generator they used to restore power, didn't they use a P800 voltage regulator and surge protector, the kind you can buy at Ace or True Value which I use to protect by P50,000 desktop from power fluctuations?

    4. How can an P11 billion system fail just because of its flawed power suppliers? At that price, shouldn't they have installed an array of power generators, not just two?

    I said you would laugh or cry over this airport disaster.
    Marcos officials blame Duterte administration for colossal airport boo-boo | The Manila Times
    Last edited by Monseratto; January 4th, 2023 at 09:38 PM.

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    #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    Baustista got the job on political merit... c/o of the Kapitan.



    Marcos officials blame Duterte administration for colossal airport boo-boo | The Manila Times
    But the chismax before was that El Kapitan was going to be in hot water because the Marvoses really own the business and will take it from him.j

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    #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    Baustista got the job on political merit... c/o of the Kapitan.



    Marcos officials blame Duterte administration for colossal airport boo-boo | The Manila Times
    Popcorn mode. Its now DDS vs Marcos.

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    #149
    Ang cause daw is yung 220V equipment was plugged to the 380V Meralco line? Parang mag make sense. Wala talagang matinong equipment if human error.
    Tapos si Duterte pa may kasalanan dahil it was upgraded during his time. If hindi dahil kay Duterte, outdated pa rin cguro equipment dyan dahil since 2010 pa plano pero hindi pa rin na execute yung new equipment upgrade until Duterte ordered to expedite the upgrade.
    Parang naghahanap lang ng palusot nakaupo dyan eh.

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    #150
    Common sa gov't to hire incompetent people kaya no gov't corporation succeeds lagi pinprivatize pra iwas sisi.

    Tagal na lotek equipt ng caap from that vsat and low bw coms.ayaw upgrade ayaw ng change.

    Sa mission critical equipt lagi may backup ang backup, may redundancy, hot-standby, at siempre periodic preventive maintenance/inspection.

    Failed UPS fan kung regular inspection dapat nakita na noon pa may vulnerabilities. Normal kung overheated dahil sa failed fan, mag safe mode ang UPS. Kung mali ang input voltage/phase, mag aalarm din-kahit yung 30yrs old data center UPS may ganun safety features na.

    Wala din sa brand-que military-grade aviation telecom equipment, que Mahindra o Toyota kung walang budget allocation sa proper maintenance at puro papogi naka upo dyan, sa basurahan din bagsak nyan.

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    #151
    After the PH, sa US naman... All planes are being forced to land at the nearest airport. US airspace is no fly zone.



    US flight control system hit by technical glitch - BBC News

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    #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    After the PH, sa US naman... All planes are being forced to land at the nearest airport. US airspace is no fly zone.



    US flight control system hit by technical glitch - BBC News
    baka sisihin nila sa russia o china

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    #153
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    baka sisihin nila sa russia o china
    Malamang, ginawang testing ground caap, nung nag work ginawa sa US.

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    #154
    Hindi din marunong magsaksak ng single phase appliance sa 3-phase power mga technician ng FAA?

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    #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Kamiya View Post
    Hindi din marunong magsaksak ng single phase appliance sa 3-phase power mga technician ng FAA?
    Baka pinoy, pirated galing caap.

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    #156
    Ah, reported na pala

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    #157
    Pati sa U.S. rin pala

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastator View Post
    Pati sa U.S. rin pala

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    20 years to launch | Philstar.com

    20 years to launch
    SKETCHES - Ana Marie Pamintuan - The Philippine Star
    January 13, 2023 | 12:00am

    At least we are not alone; Ninoy Aquino International Airport, hindi ka nag-iisa.

    Last Wednesday night (our time), news broke about a “power outage” that prompted the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to ground nearly 10,000 flights in that country.

    The problem, however, was fixed in just 90 minutes and flights, although delayed, gradually resumed.

    Yesterday, the FAA identified the cause of the outage as a “damaged database file” that corrupted both the main system and its backup. The FAA ruled out a cyber attack.

    An FAA official said an engineer had “replaced one file with another” in the NOTAM or Notice to Air Missions system – used to notify pilots and airport ground personnel of special alerts and hazards. The FAA described it as an “honest mistake that cost the country millions.”

    In the case of the Jan. 1 breakdown of the Communications, Navigation and Surveillance system for Air Traffic Management at the NAIA, a defective cooling fan was pinpointed as the cause of the CNS / ATM’s uninterrupted power supply breaking down. Unfortunately, the back-up UPS also failed to kick in.

    It took several days, and viral jokes about the foolishness of plugging a 220-volt line into the 380-volt commercial grid, which fried the CNS / ATM, before authorities pinned the blame not on human error but on a defective circuit breaker.

    Finally taking a direct hand in the mess, President Marcos visited the NAIA, apologized to the public for the national embarrassment, commended the response of the officials concerned, and said emergency procurements were being made for UPS and circuit breakers.

    The “technical issues” that shut down Philippine airspace on the first day of the year, however, keep branching out into other issues.

    * * *
    It looks like there’s more than just politically motivated chismis to the story that P13 billion supposed to be spent for the maintenance of the CNS / ATM instead went to “beautification” of the airport.

    Even before the pandemic in 2019, the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) had reportedly proposed a P139-million project to upgrade four to five CNS / ATM subsystems, to ensure that all data are backed up and protected from corruption.

    When the new administration came in, CAAP reportedly proposed on Aug. 31 last year the installation of an independent backup for the CNS / ATM, to be placed in another location, at a cost of P13 billion.

    There were also initial reports about CAAP personnel muttering under their breath that money for CNS / ATM maintenance went to the pandemic response (P3 billion for the “Bayanihan” fund in pandemic year 2020). According to some reports, CAAP has not yet fully paid for the system, even after the warranty for it has expired. The Turkish maker now reportedly wants full payment first and a fee to resume the regular maintenance work.

    Transport Secretary Jaime Bautista said the CAAP conducts daily inspection of the system. He said the UPS has a battery with a four-year life, which was last changed in 2020.

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    Parang dapat iba power socket ng 220v and 380v.


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