new NLEX rates: may daya?

[mikaztro]

I don't think the NLEX is privately owned. There is no such thing as a private company owning a public property. NLEX was consigned/leased by the government to a private firm MNTC to maintain & collect toll fees and operate for certain number of years to recoup its investements then transfer back the rights to the government agency. That's what we call BOT(Build Operate Transfer) scheme.

[wowiesy]

baka sabihin na naman ng iba dyan na porque't kaya kong magbayad e hindi na ako nagrereklamo. tama, kaya kong magbayad ng new toll fee at hindi ako nagrereklamo. kagaya ng mga nauna kong posts (dun sa isang NLEX thread), importante sa akin makadating ako on time sa pupuntahan ko. dati rati, kahit maaga akong umalis, nale-late pa rin ako minsan. ngayon, hindi na ako nalelate.

ang puno't dulo nito ay ang inefficiency ng government natin. kung naging maayos lang ang naging pamamalakad ng government agency na humawak sa NLEX nung na-turn over sa government ang NLEX nung time ni Pres. Cory, e di hindi siguro ganito kamahal ang toll fee ngayon. sobrang pinabayaan dati ang NLEX, kaya ibinalik sa PNCC ang pagmanage nito. and FYI, mas mahal po ang pag maintain ng isang expressway kumpara sa ordinary highways (like McArthur Highway). mas mabilis ang mga sasakyan dito, kahit yung mga dambuhalang trailers na puno ng mabibigat na cargo e mabilis tumakbo sa NLEX kaya mas mabilis makasira ng daan. kaya mas kailangan ng regular maintenance ang NLEX, which means talagang kelangan maningil ng toll fee para dito.

ang problema talaga kasi is for industry.. sa mga personal trips, talagang tiis na lang.. pero yung for industry? yung mga residing in MMla but have factories in bulacan / pampanga area? sa industry lang laking bagay na... ang daming mga items na mabibli sa palengke / groceries / supermarket ay nanggagaling sa north.. gulay, pork, chicken... lahat yan expected na tataas... which ang sasalo din ay ang consumer... in a way this is how a capitalist system works... everybody happy sana kung everybody can afford it.. but then hindi nga ma afford in the first place eh...

tama rin na kaya to nagkakaganito ay dahil sa hindi alam ng pamahalaan ang mga priorities nito, kasama din dito ang corruption...

[nicolodeon]

Ni-reset ko trip meter ko last night. From Balintawak to Marilao, 12 kms ang reading ng trip meter to. So, at P 42 , that's about P 3.5 per km. 'Dun sa P 7.00 na old rate, it was about P 0.58/km. A difference of P 2.92. Eh, akala ko ba P 2.49 lang per km. ang increase? So kung, P 2.49 per km lang ang increase, dapat P 36.00 lang from Marilao to Balintawak. Tama po ba?

[mazdamazda]

Ni-reset ko trip meter ko last night. From Balintawak to Marilao, 12 kms ang reading ng trip meter to. So, at P 42 , that's about P 3.5 per km. 'Dun sa P 7.00 na old rate, it was about P 0.58/km. A difference of P 2.92. Eh, akala ko ba P 2.49 lang per km. ang increase? So kung, P 2.49 per km lang ang increase, dapat P 36.00 lang from Marilao to Balintawak. Tama po ba?

ang approved po ng TRB ay:

1. flat rate of P42 from balintawak to bocaue (open system)
2. P2.50 per kilometer from bocaue to sta. ines (closed system)

ang kailangan i scrutinize is yung claimed kilometer coverage nila from bocaue to sta. ines (and all tollgates in between), baka dun kasi may discrepancy

[wowiesy]

ang approved po ng TRB ay:

1. flat rate of P42 from balintawak to bocaue (open system)
2. P2.50 per kilometer from bocaue to sta. ines (closed system)

ang kailangan i scrutinize is yung claimed kilometer coverage nila from bocaue to sta. ines (and all tollgates in between), baka dun kasi may discrepancy

i just wish there is still a way to at least question the basis for the open system... andun na ako na inutang din ng lopez ang ipinaggastos dyan at kailangan makabawi... but then masyado atang magaling ang nag conceptualize nito.. di lang magaling.. slick pa... yung mga exits (from balintawak to bocaue) pa kasi ang mismong pinaka masikip lagi dati dahil sa dami talaga ng mga gumagamit along that portion.. kaya nga puro 4 lanes each way along that stretch eh.. kasi talagang malaki ang volume... tapos dun pa nya ginawa yung open system.. kala ko ba those who use should pay.. if you only use from balintawak to valenzuela... why pay for it up until bocaue then? if you exit from valenzuela and exit at meycauayan, why pay for the whole stretch of balintawak to bocaue? kung sakaling ang idadahilan nila ay kung pagbabayarin ang mga ume-exit within the balintawak to bocaue exits ay babagal ang trapik dahil magkakaroon ng buildup... eh kahit na hindi nya pagbayarin sa exit.. magsisikip pa rin... ang niluwagan nya lang kasi ay yung toll plaza nya eh.. but then the roads after the toll plaza, going to the service roads or main road ng bulacan are all still 2 lanes lang... so how can they guarantee na smooth at walang trapik??

[mazdamazda]

look at it this way.

the rates from balintawak-bocaue from bocaue-sta.ines is different simply because it is a 4-lane highway.

same as with the SLEX. the rates from magallanes-alabang is different from alabang-calamba.

from the POV of bocaue users, it is cheap. for marilao/meycauayan just ok. for valenzuela it is high. my guess is that P42 is the average toll for those tollgates. but IMO, there are more users from bocaue than meyc/valenzuela - so in total it is quite favorable to the consumers.

[FrankDrebin]

meron akong nabasa sa newspaper kanina. yung mga expressways daw sa ibang bansa, nagbibigay ng discounts sa mga residents malapit sa kanilang expressways. siguro ito ang kelangan natin ipa-implement dito. pero sana hindi pagsamantalahan ng mga tao na kahit hindi residente sa tabi ng NLEX, papalabasin na residente sila para lang makakuha ng discount.

Iyan lang ang reklamo ko sa bagong tollfee particularly sa Flat Rate. Unfair sa mga malalapit lang ang exit. Dapat gumawa na lang sila ng service road. :D

[FrankDrebin]

from the POV of bocaue users, it is cheap. for marilao/meycauayan just ok. for valenzuela it is high. my guess is that P42 is the average toll for those tollgates. but IMO, there are more users from bocaue than meyc/valenzuela - so in total it is quite favorable to the consumers.

Much favorable ang flat rate for the Bocaue folks bro. :D (2.54 * 16km(estimated distance from Bal to Boc) = Php40.64 lang) Lugi ang Meyc at Malinta. So its unfair. Well, life is not fair. :D

[wowiesy]

look at it this way.

the rates from balintawak-bocaue from bocaue-sta.ines is different simply because it is a 4-lane highway.

same as with the SLEX. the rates from magallanes-alabang is different from alabang-calamba.

from the POV of bocaue users, it is cheap. for marilao/meycauayan just ok. for valenzuela it is high. my guess is that P42 is the average toll for those tollgates. but IMO, there are more users from bocaue than meyc/valenzuela - so in total it is quite favorable to the consumers.

the logic of the 4-lane sections being more expensive compared to the 2 lane sections is just a very good way for the capitalist / investor of the road maintenance to get a quick buck.. i believe so... the only reason why they make it 4 lanes is to accomodate more vehicles.. which for them means more revenue... but from a road user's point of view, kesa pa 4 lanes yan o 6 lanes o 10 lanes... i'm still driving a vehicle that only uses up 1 lane! so why charge me for 4 lanes?

it's more like this way (i think)... distance from balintawak to bocaue is about 17kms... so kung 2.48php /km then 17 x 2.48 = 42.16... so for the whole stretch of balintawak to bocaue tama lang yung 42... but what about balintawak to marilao and the exits in between? at least for meycauayan hindi na gaanong madami since binuksan ang marilao... but for valenzuela and bocaue exits... heavy talaga dyan.. valenzuela being the exit point for a lot of factories.. puro factory ang naka paligid diyan...

and what about my trip meter clocking 10kms from bocaue to sta. rita, and them charging 36php??? kung 2.48 /km x 10km dapat nasa mga 25php lang... the 11php ay almost 50% agad ng cost of using the 10kms...


whether 42php from balintawak to bocaue is cheap or not, that is up to the pocket of the road user.. but for the consumer, it is way too expensive... yung cost na to kasi ay ipapatong sa cost of commuting, cost of transportation of goods... and eventually ang sasalo dito ay consumers...

regarding discounts naman... last time i inquired, the EC tags are now selling at a discounted price and are slated to be increased sometime march or april... ang sabi din ng CS rep na nakausap ko (although walang written material so suspect din) na EC loads have a rebate of 5 - 10%... and even then they're only allowing EC tags for class1 vehicles... so yung bulk na dapat makinabang which is industry (trucks, vans) ay hindi makikinabang...

bottom line is... this would be another cash cow of the lopezes.. after abs-cbn, meralco...

[nicolodeon]

They say it is "world class" and at par with the freeways in most Asian countries. While I would agree it has vastly improved, I think it is not "that world class". 'Been to other Asian countries that have freeways. In my opinion, Thailand's freeways are a little bit ahead compared to NLEX. Malaysia's freeways are a lot better. Tokyo's freeways are way ahead. 'Nga lang, there are a lot of exit points sa Tokyo freeway na jammed during rush hour. Pero they have this electronic billboard map placed about 3-4kms before each exit that shows kung saan ang traffic. Mayron din sila sa city strees nila nito. It even suggests alternative routes.

[mazdamazda]

so yung bulk na dapat makinabang which is industry (trucks, vans) ay hindi makikinabang...

on the contrary, they offer higher rebates to commercial vehicles.

if am not mistaken, for FX / PUVs, they get a 15%(?) rebate when they accumulate P5000 per month.

for trucks, they get a 15%(?) rebate when they accumulate P15000 per month.

will try to get the exact rebate scheme.

[wowiesy]

on the contrary, they offer higher rebates to commercial vehicles.

if am not mistaken, for FX / PUVs, they get a 15%(?) rebate when they accumulate P5000 per month.

for trucks, they get a 15%(?) rebate when they accumulate P15000 per month.

will try to get the exact rebate scheme.

ow? this would be good... although nakakatakot... they will have access to all (err... limited to those who will still opt to use the expressway) companies that will take advantage of this... ergo? ma pi pinpoint na ng Bureau of Itaas ang Revenuebykillingofallindustriesandcitizensbecauseo fhightaxes ..

[mazdamazda]

ow? this would be good... although nakakatakot... they will have access to all (err... limited to those who will still opt to use the expressway) companies that will take advantage of this... ergo? ma pi pinpoint na ng Bureau of Itaas ang Revenuebykillingofallindustriesandcitizensbecauseo fhightaxes ..

the BIR can already pinpoint using input & output taxes.

[boybi]

They say it is "world class" and at par with the freeways in most Asian countries. While I would agree it has vastly improved, I think it is not "that world class". 'Been to other Asian countries that have freeways. In my opinion, Thailand's freeways are a little bit ahead compared to NLEX. Malaysia's freeways are a lot better. Tokyo's freeways are way ahead. 'Nga lang, there are a lot of exit points sa Tokyo freeway na jammed during rush hour. Pero they have this electronic billboard map placed about 3-4kms before each exit that shows kung saan ang traffic. Mayron din sila sa city strees nila nito. It even suggests alternative routes.

how much naman po ba ang toll fee sa mga yan?

my dad just came back from china last week. sabi nya mas maganda daw ang NLEX ngayon kesa sa tollways dun. less than 5 years palang yung tollways dun, and di hamak na mas mahal ang toll fee, pero wala din daw gaanong gumagamit. and the whole stretch of the tollway walang CR! walang gas stations!

[cutedoc]

ewan ko basta alang traffic ang smooth drive ok na din, e kung pagpasok mo naman ng manila after the last tollgate coming from north traffic din alang kwenta

[yan_168]

oo nga e pag nasa NLEX ka ang ganda at smooth ang daan pero pagpasok mo ng EDSA ay naku ang pangit na ng daan at traffic pa.hehehehe!! wala rin yung less tear and wear sa suspension.

[Elroi]

Kwento ko lang po... From Manila, passed thru the NLEX kagabi around 10pm. nung mga 100 meters na ko sa San Simon exit, nawawala yung tiket ko so huminto ako sandali sa shoulder with hazard lights "ON".. inabot siguro ako ng 5 minutes sa paghahanap, then bigla na lang may huminto na MNTC Patrolcar sa likod ko, bumaba yung passenger, lumapit sa akin and said "Good Evening Sir, me problema ho ba? Ano ho ba maitutulong namin?"... Nung sinabi ko why i stopped, his answer was "ganun ho ba sir, sige ho.. kung okay na ho kayo,tutuloy na ho kami... ingat na lang ho sa driving"...

After that incident, bigla ko naisip na.. "Sulit na nga yata yung increase nila"...