LTFRB to reduce buses in EDSA by 1,000

**Altis6453** · July 20th, 2009 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by BratPAQ

di yata pede sa pinoy to, mautak pinoy aandar lang ng aandar yang bus at di na pipickup ng pasahero para makarami ng km. :D

sa ibang bansa naman may mga government route at mga driver dito eh fixed ang salary, at scheduled ang bus every 30 minutes, hirap nga lang pag dating mo at kaalis pa lang ng bus, maghihintay ka pa ng 30 minutes.

Ginagawang commission basis dito kasi ayaw gawing regular employee ng mga bus company/operator ang mga driver at konduktor.

**Galactus** · July 20th, 2009 10:30 AM

IMO, the solution lies in building a subway. Para walang traffic since construction is generally underground. And it doubles as an air raid shelter in times of war (hehehe).

But seriously, I think that's the key. Makes me wonder how come nobody in government (or private contractors) has thought of the idea, under a BOT scheme. There are no obstacles that modern engineering and technology can overcome (I heard kasi before na malambot daw ang lupa sa MM).

Pero, baka nga namang gawing cash cow ni Draco Miguel Arroyo yung mga contractors.

**Galactus** · July 20th, 2009 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Altis6453

Ginagawang commission basis dito kasi ayaw gawing regular employee ng mga bus company/operator ang mga driver at konduktor.

I remember yung Mina's Transit when it was still actively plying MM routes several years ago. Hindi naman kagandahan yung mga bus nila, pero I made it a point na yun ang sakyan ko dahil malakas yung aircon, at hindi gahaman sa pag-pick up ng pasahero. Also, they usually take the flyover sa Ortigas at Ilalim naman sila sa Megamall at Cubao, kaya iwas trapik. It was always a pleasurable riding experience for me.

I learned later from their conductors na regular employees sila (pero may konting commission pa din), so kahit konti lang sakay nila, may sahod sila.

**niky** · July 20th, 2009 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by BratPAQ

while i agree that bus are over crowded on edsa, but they are not the only one overcrowding that street. heres a picture.

That's true... but a static display doesn't show how they utilize the roadway. A car, with no other traffic, will only spend about 15-20 minutes on EDSA.

A bus will stop at every intersection, sometimes taking up two or three lanes, doing so, will accelerate and brake countless times and perform many more lane changes. This movement through traffic has a cascading effect. When a vehicle stops or changes lane, the car behind it must brake, for safety reasons. The vehicle behind that brakes, then the vehicle behind that... this is how traffic builds up on highways and roadways like EDSA, which has traffic-light-free overpasses and underpasses.

The same thing happens with cars, but each car contributes (when driven properly) only one stop or swerve event to the traffic flow.

And this isn't counting the congestion build-up when a bus stops for more than ten seconds to wait for passengers... a practice which should really be outlawed.

Motorcycles are the best solution for flexibility, but not economy... vans and buses are still the best for economy... but only when they're full. When they're over half empty, as many buses on EDSA are, most of the time, you're spending more fuel to transport each passenger than a carpool will. This is why the "colorum" FX-Vans make more sense than buses. They have a specifc start-stop point, and only travel when full.

You're right about the carpooling law, though... a carpooling lane is something that's direly needed on EDSA... but implementing it would be a pain in the butt.

**BratPAQ** · July 20th, 2009 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by niky

That's true... but a static display doesn't show how they utilize the roadway. A car, with no other traffic, will only spend about 15-20 minutes on EDSA.

A bus will stop at every intersection, sometimes taking up two or three lanes, doing so, will accelerate and brake countless times and perform many more lane changes. This movement through traffic has a cascading effect. When a vehicle stops or changes lane, the car behind it must brake, for safety reasons. The vehicle behind that brakes, then the vehicle behind that... this is how traffic builds up on highways and roadways like EDSA, which has traffic-light-free overpasses and underpasses.

The same thing happens with cars, but each car contributes (when driven properly) only one stop or swerve event to the traffic flow.

And this isn't counting the congestion build-up when a bus stops for more than ten seconds to wait for passengers... a practice which should really be outlawed.

Motorcycles are the best solution for flexibility, but not economy... vans and buses are still the best for economy... but only when they're full. When they're over half empty, as many buses on EDSA are, most of the time, you're spending more fuel to transport each passenger than a carpool will. This is why the "colorum" FX-Vans make more sense than buses. They have a specifc start-stop point, and only travel when full.

You're right about the carpooling law, though... a carpooling lane is something that's direly needed on EDSA... but implementing it would be a pain in the butt.

thats why BF build those fenced terminal on edsa, though its not 100% effective, it still somehow eliminate some traffic. and MMDA also implimented that 30 seconds wait per bus, though its not being strictly enforced kasi nga "mga bus driver lang sila" "kawawa naman" (leche!).

but i think we should also acknowledge that traffic are also caused by the sheer volume of vehicles on the road. on that picture alone, you can estimate how many cycles of traffic lights it would take to let all those vehicle pass vs 1 bus.

*trivia, may study na nagcompute na mas maraming kotse ang makakalampas sa intersection kung ang ito eh sabay sabay mag a-accelerate pag labas ng GO signal. thats why its more efficient to leave at least 1 vehicle space between you and the car in front of you, so pag GO, pede mong sabayan ang acceleration ng vehicle in front of you, di tulad ng bumper to bumper where you have to wait a couple of seconds to get a clearing before you can accelerate. source is readers digest.

**Altis6453** · July 21st, 2009 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by BratPAQ

thats why BF build those fenced terminal on edsa, though its not 100% effective, it still somehow eliminate some traffic. and MMDA also implimented that 30 seconds wait per bus, though its not being strictly enforced kasi nga "mga bus driver lang sila" "kawawa naman" (leche!).

but i think we should also acknowledge that traffic are also caused by the sheer volume of vehicles on the road. on that picture alone, you can estimate how many cycles of traffic lights it would take to let all those vehicle pass vs 1 bus.

*trivia, may study na nagcompute na mas maraming kotse ang makakalampas sa intersection kung ang ito eh sabay sabay mag a-accelerate pag labas ng GO signal. thats why its more efficient to leave at least 1 vehicle space between you and the car in front of you, so pag GO, pede mong sabayan ang acceleration ng vehicle in front of you, di tulad ng bumper to bumper where you have to wait a couple of seconds to get a clearing before you can accelerate. source is readers digest.

No one's discounting the volume of vehicles as one contributing factor of traffic. But then again, Niky is quite correct in pointing out that the driving habits of PUVs in general, together with their sheer number are MOSTLY TO BLAME. It would be quite different if the people who drive these vehicles don't cut into lanes or stop abruptly in the middle of the road, or race each other like maniacs in the highways.

**innoBOB[09JmtG]** · July 21st, 2009 11:16 AM

kulang pa nga yan.. kung ako lang..

dapat may sariling mundo ang mga bus, tryk, motor

pag mawala ang traffic, eto na ang simula ng pagunlad natin..

no traffic means fast tansportation, more in quantity.. hehe

pero sa SLEX trapik pa din, kung pwede lang ma boycott, la na kasi alternate routes.. alternate routes, mas malayo at matrapik din

**innoBOB[09JmtG]** · July 21st, 2009 11:16 AM

teka, kita na ba ang epekto ng pagbawas ng bus sa EDSA? or parang ganun pa din?

**innoBOB[09JmtG]** · July 21st, 2009 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BratPAQ

while i agree that bus are over crowded on edsa, but they are not the only one overcrowding that street. heres a picture. This image has been resized. Click this bar to view the full image. The original image is sized 753x423 and weights 111KB.
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pwede ito sa SLEX

**niky** · July 21st, 2009 11:33 AM

Actually... some countries have come to the conclusion that giving bus drivers their "sariling mundo"

is the porper way to go. Like Ghosthunter posted a few months ago, many progressive cities have separate roads built solely for bus services. This is so that the buses don't waste time (and diesel) sitting in traffic (yes, this is a big deal... a bus can go through 5000 pesos of diesel in just two or three hours)... and so they don't interrupt the flow of traffic.

So... why not build rails, instead? The cost of upkeep of a rail system is enormous... and despite a light rail system using electricity, the government actually has to subisidize it to make it cost-competitive with buses.

if the government subsidizes a sealed-route bus system instead, they can probably charge even lower ticket prices than with the MRT. And, as a bonus, bus breakdown or power outages won't shut down the system.