Why does Toyota Philippines insist on 5K service interval?

[theveed]

Forgot the issue ng poster nga pala...

Yep, mas mahal PMS sa casa, dun naman sila talaga kumikita eh, sa service and parts, not the sale of the car (maliit lang tubo dun)

[mazdamazda]

right now... am doing 10K PMS (using fully-synth oil) for the Rav4. sabi ng SA ok lang naman daw (sa Toyota Shaw-Ortigas along C5).

[revoGSX]

stated naman yung 10K interval sa owner's manual, basta fully synthetic oil eh pwede ang 10K interval and hindi "severe" .. warranty should not be void with this interval..

negosyo lang talaga ng ibang toyota casa yan, lalo na ngayon nagtaas na sila ng PMS labor rates, yung 5K series na 384php eh nasa 4xxphp na, yung 10K series eh nasa 8xxphp na

[E34touring]

Two things:

1) They made the customer think they care. ie Better service perception.
2) They make more money from parts and/or labour. As you need to do this as per warranty compliance.

Its rather clever , isn't it ?.

[mbt]

imo, it's still better to change every 5k km and use regular oil (unless your engine strictly requires a specific high-grade oil, like exotic BMWs do) than use fully synthetic and change every 10k. (change oil lang ha, not the whole PMS routine with all the inspections and stuff)

mas mura pa nga yata yung labas.

[Karding]

Dalhin mo na lang ang car mo sa dealership every other oil change. Para sa ganon, na-aalagaan pa din ng Toyota dealership ang auto mo. Then, tipid ka pa sa price kung dinadala mo lang sa Toyota every other oil change ang auto mo. Yung Sentra namin every other oil change lang sa dealership.

dealership oil change: $29.99+tax
tony's shop: $15.00 incl tax

Ganun din sana gagawin ko sa Mazda3 ko, pero lifetime FREE oil change four times a year kasama sa deal.

[E34touring]

imo, it's still better to change every 5k km and use regular oil (unless your engine strictly requires a specific high-grade oil, like exotic BMWs do) than use fully synthetic and change every 10k. .

Correct! And very sound approach as most does not redline the car everytime. In fact, rare to redline, so Dino juice or reasonable qualilty for 5K change.

My synthetic in my BMW changes at 15K and I do quality checks on the oil to make sure it does not go below quality, then do the change. Works out cheaper actually.

[niky]

I just change it every 5k, no question, even when I DO use synthetic... para sa akin, better safe then sorry. And it's a way of showing my darling that I DO care. :lol:

[jeremy_pedrena]

This one's from http://www.carbibles.com/engineoil_bible.html saying toyota is vulnerable building up sludge.

There's a snappy new moniker for black death now, and it's called sludge. The cause is the same as black death and it seems to be regardless of maintenance or mileage. The chemical compounds in engine oils break down over time due to prolonged exposure to high temperatures and poor maintenance habits. When the oil oxidises, the additives separate from the oil and begin to chemically break down and solidify, leading to the baked-on oil deposits turning gelatinous, and that nasty compound is what is lovingly referred to nowadays as sludge. It's like black yoghurt. What doesn't help is that modern engines, due to packaging, have smaller sumps than in the "good old days" and so hold less oil. This means that the oil that is present in the engine can't hold as much crap (for want of a better word) and can lead to earlier chemical breakdown.
The most common factor in sludge buildup is mineral oils combined with a lack of maintenance by the car owner combined with harsh driving conditions. But this isn't true in all cases. For some reason, a 2005 Consumer Reports article discovered that some engines from Audi, Chrysler, Saab, Toyota, and Volkswagen appear prone to sludge almost no matter how often the oil is changed.

[jeremy_pedrena]

This one's from http://www.carbibles.com/engineoil_bible.html saying toyota is vulnerable building up sludge.

There's a snappy new moniker for black death now, and it's called sludge. The cause is the same as black death and it seems to be regardless of maintenance or mileage. The chemical compounds in engine oils break down over time due to prolonged exposure to high temperatures and poor maintenance habits. When the oil oxidises, the additives separate from the oil and begin to chemically break down and solidify, leading to the baked-on oil deposits turning gelatinous, and that nasty compound is what is lovingly referred to nowadays as sludge. It's like black yoghurt. What doesn't help is that modern engines, due to packaging, have smaller sumps than in the "good old days" and so hold less oil. This means that the oil that is present in the engine can't hold as much crap (for want of a better word) and can lead to earlier chemical breakdown.
The most common factor in sludge buildup is mineral oils combined with a lack of maintenance by the car owner combined with harsh driving conditions. But this isn't true in all cases. For some reason, a 2005 Consumer Reports article discovered that some engines from Audi, Chrysler, Saab, Toyota, and Volkswagen appear prone to sludge almost no matter how often the oil is changed.

[admiral88]

In my case, there's no problem with 5000km pms, i prefer mineral oil that's why i go to Toyota for change oil/filter. My 10K pms cost me Ph2,944; and 15K pms cost me Ph2,936. For my 20K pms, it cost me only about Ph2,000 because i get rid of that thing they call "Car Care Kit". Also told them that i'll stick to the periodic 10,000km brake inspect/clean/adjust as they recommended to touch the brakes every 5,000km which will cost about Ph800.

[A121]

we follow the 5k km oil change interval in my good old lancer.

The 10 year old with 155K km mileage 4G13 still runs fine up to this date.

[userfriendly]

ano yung "car care kit"?
clean and adjust brakes kada 5000Km, parang sobrang limit ah. Ang alam ko diba kada 10,000km ito, tama ba?

[admiral88]

ano yung "car care kit"?
clean and adjust brakes kada 5000Km, parang sobrang limit ah. Ang alam ko diba kada 10,000km ito, tama ba?

Car care kit? Its this stuff (like Armor All Protectant) that they spray on the rubber mouldings sa doors, hood and trunk, i have nothing against it but the manner they apply it...its all over the place lalo na sa interior panels and body paints, since its sticky, dirt and dust acumulates so im having a hard time cleaning and wiping it off. I wasnt inform of this before until recently, this cost me additional 400pesos every pms. So you see, they're making more money out of this.

Yup its supposed to be every 10,000km, they recommend that every 5,000 km pms they inspect/clean/adjust the brake, kasi daw some customers are complaining about their brakes. Its just their recommendation..so its up to us. Also i wasnt informed of this until recently. Again...more profit d ba?

[mikmik316]

mas gusto ko pang gawin ang 1st 1k, 5k at 10k para siguradong ma-check ang kotse bago ito tuluyang pangharabas...

Mas gusto ko na after 10k e bahala nako kung saan ipapasok yung tsikot for maintenance....