4AGE Black Top Engine! Your thoughts....

[alfalax88]

I was told that this engine is great, power in less fuel consumption. Please post a reply about your experience with the engine and please clarify if this engine really do have vvti. thanks

[JCBalunsat]

My neighbor has one in his small body corolla. He has a jasma 4-1 headers connected to it and all stock internals. Here are some points that I've noticed.

1. At stock, it is fast but nevertheless it's not as good as a B16. It has torque thou not like the b16.
2. Yes it does have Vvti. I know how vtec works but I don't know how Vvti works. I assume it's the same thing.
3. It get's hot easily.
4. Throttle position is a little bit off if it's on a FF. It would be better if it's on RWD.

Rating 8/10

[redorange]

My neighbor has one in his small body corolla. He has a jasma 4-1 headers connected to it and all stock internals. Here are some points that I've noticed.

1. At stock, it is fast but nevertheless it's not as good as a B16. It has torque thou not like the b16.
2. Yes it does have Vvti. I know how vtec works but I don't know how Vvti works. I assume it's the same thing.
3. It get's hot easily.
4. Throttle position is a little bit off if it's on a FF. It would be better if it's on RWD.

Rating 8/10

It has VVT not VVTi. VVT is similar to Honda's VTEC and VVTi is similar to Honda's i-VTEC. VVT is what Toyota used prior to 1996 when VVTi was introduced.

[datsunrdster67]

We use 20Valves here in the states, It works great with the stock parts as far as putting it on a Corolla either you need to punch a hole on the firewall or get the mod parts to route the Dizzy to the front. since the motor was made for a Front Wheel Set-up. You can check a really good site: www.club4ag.com for more info on this motor and im sure you'll find whatever you want to know about this motor and other mods.

Hope this helps,

I need a contact for old school parts, Side Drafts for an 18RG Set-Up and 4AGE. Supercharger for a 4AGE.

Thanks all
Mike Ibarra

[ghosthunter]

I was told that this engine is great, power in less fuel consumption. Please post a reply about your experience with the engine and please clarify if this engine really do have vvti. thanks

I was able to ride in a AE89 Corolla with a 4AGE 20v blacktop with 6 speed M/T. Smooth to drive at low speed but accelerates like a devil when the accelerator is floored. Keep the engine stock and it should provide lots of performance with just regular maintenance.

[KBR]

I was told that this engine is great, power in less fuel consumption. Please post a reply about your experience with the engine and please clarify if this engine really do have vvti. thanks

hey bro, well the 4AGE 20Valve "black top" is a pretty stout engine (aluminum head / cast-iron block) so it can take alot of beating. also, the 20 valve is a very good "high-revving" engine and it has a good amount of Horsepower and Torque, considering its a 1.6L engine. plus the 20 valve is easy to maintain and there are still some aftermarket support for it.

anywayz, here some other things that I like about the 4AGE 20 Valve engine (wether if its a Silver or Black top):

-inexpensive.
-engine is strong and easy to maintain.
-non-interference engine.
-Aluminum Head & Cast Iron Block design (which is stout and can handle forced-induction applications.. with internal mods of course.)
-has ITB's (Independent Throttle Bodies) and is simple to tune.
-high-rev engine w/ low-mid end torque (these engines like to be driven hard)
-good availability of OEM and Aftermarket parts.
-can be put on literally any generation of Toyota Corolla's (TE27, AE86, AE92, AE101, AE111).. you can even put this engine on a KP61 Starlet!


aite, peace.

[JCBalunsat]

Ayun. VVT pala not VVTi. Thanks for the correction. Yup the engine likes to be driven hard.

[cyrusblutrooper]

hey bro, well the 4AGE 20Valve "black top" is a pretty stout engine (aluminum head / cast-iron block) so it can take alot of beating. also, the 20 valve is a very good "high-revving" engine and it has a good amount of Horsepower and Torque, considering its a 1.6L engine. plus the 20 valve is easy to maintain and there are still some aftermarket support for it.

anywayz, here some other things that I like about the 4AGE 20 Valve engine (wether if its a Silver or Black top):

-inexpensive.
-engine is strong and easy to maintain.
-non-interference engine.
-Aluminum Head & Cast Iron Block design (which is stout and can handle forced-induction applications.. with internal mods of course.)
-has ITB's (Independent Throttle Bodies) and is simple to tune.
-high-rev engine w/ low-mid end torque (these engines like to be driven hard)
-good availability of OEM and Aftermarket parts.
-can be put on literally any generation of Toyota Corolla's (TE27, AE86, AE92, AE101, AE111).. you can even put this engine on a KP61 Starlet!


aite, peace.

my friend put this engine to his liteace...

[KBR]

my friend put this engine to his liteace...

shiet!? damn, yan ang ASTIG!! lolz!

pero para sa akin, ok din isalpak ang 4AGE 20 Valve sa isang Owner Type Jeep (kung pede lang, yung Skeleton type pa!.. lol!! suicidal ka na nun!!)


aite, peace.

[m777]

ive heard na its a good engine and easy to maintain. im thinking of putting one in my AE111. Mga bros, san makakakita and how much ang 4AGE? anong difference ng black and silver top?

peace!

[niky]

The Silver top has a silver cover... it's less tuneable. There are differences in tuning and sensors... and the not so small aspect of the Blacktop's 6-speed LSD-equipped MT.

Great little engine. Very smooth powerband... actually, deceptively smooth... as it doesn't quite "kick" like a B16 does when it enters the high cam... but it makes as much power.

Ghosthunter's engine is still faster...

[Ravenmark]

Mga Pipol,

What ever your discussions BT or ST .Iam an owner of red Top -A4GE engine for me the best 4AGE engine is 4AGZE ..one of the best talaga can beat B16 A Type Engine.

Wanna bet

Rich

[bruticus_77]

I was told that this engine is great, power in less fuel consumption. Please post a reply about your experience with the engine and please clarify if this engine really do have vvti. thanks

The BT engine came from the chassis of the sprinter trueno pro(troo no) coupe AE111 chassis. It has 5 valves per cylinder, 3 intake, 2 exhaust. very efficient in design.. It has 165Hp but has 138hp * the wheels. The consistency of this engine has a smooth torque transfer because the VVT-i(Variable Valve Timing Intelligent) Retards or Advances the cam timing of the engine at Mid/Low/High Revs making it economical. Unlike the VTEC system which slips into a different cam lobe to make more power. Thus making it a gas guzzler * very high RPM's..Power without efficiency is USELESS!

[niky]

But power itself ain't useless.

The advantage of the Honda system is that you can stuff huge amounts of cam lift and duration onto the secondary lobes while the primary lobes will still give you a proper idle and low-speed running. It won't be as fuel efficient at high rpms... but power is power, right?

On the dyno, I've seen the BT and the B16A make about the same amount of power with the same level of mods... the 20V has a theoretically superior design, since the 5-valve head can flow more air than a 4-valve head, but I've seen B16As pushing out huge numbers with very little in terms of radical mods.

Only gripe I have with either engine is the lack of torque... one interesting swap to address this is the 3SGE swap... granted, it's a heavier engine, but it gives more torque, is available in versions of up to 170+ hp, and the slanted mounting of the engine and relatively centered position in the engine bay means that the dynamic shortcomings such a heavy piece may bring with it are lessened.

[niky]

But power itself ain't useless.

The advantage of the Honda system is that you can stuff huge amounts of cam lift and duration onto the secondary lobes while the primary lobes will still give you a proper idle and low-speed running. It won't be as fuel efficient at high rpms... but power is power, right?

On the dyno, I've seen the BT and the B16A make about the same amount of power with the same level of mods... the 20V has a theoretically superior design, since the 5-valve head can flow more air than a 4-valve head, but I've seen B16As pushing out huge numbers with very little in terms of radical mods.

Only gripe I have with either engine is the lack of torque... one interesting swap to address this is the 3SGE swap... granted, it's a heavier engine, but it gives more torque, is available in versions of up to 170+ hp, and the slanted mounting of the engine and relatively centered position in the engine bay means that the dynamic shortcomings such a heavy piece may bring with it are lessened.

[ellerboy]

Mga sirs, ano ang fuel consumption ng BT / ST? Thanks in advance sa inyong mga sagot!

[toyotacorona92]

oo nga po ano po fuel consumption ng BT? gusto ko pa yun mas matipid sa makina ng corona ko

pwede kaya kabitan BT engine sa toyota corona92?
may napag try naba?

[ghosthunter]

oo nga po ano po fuel consumption ng BT? gusto ko pa yun mas matipid sa makina ng corona ko

pwede kaya kabitan BT engine sa toyota corona92?
may napag try naba?

The 4AGE BT will not have enough torque to properly power the Corona. In the end you will use even more fuel to move the heavy chassis.

If you want to reduce your Corona's fuel bill, best to find ways to lighten the car's total weight. Example you can remove the full size spare and have a donut spare, heavy metal hazard warning triangles replaced by lightweight plastic collapsing orange traffic cones.

Or you can convert your car to LPG.

[lhance evo]

I was told that this engine is great, power in less fuel consumption. Please post a reply about your experience with the engine and please clarify if this engine really do have vvti. thanks

....
sir bago lang po ako d2 any advise nman sir regarding sa engine swap..my car is also xl bigbody but silvertop lng po yun gusto ko ipalit kc medyo mabigat yata yun blacktop according to you when it comes spending money...more or less magkano yun ilalabas kong pera not included yun modification cguro after n lng yun basta tumakbo lng muna ng maayos yun oto..w/o modification...saka nga pala sir advise din po between blocktop and silvertop when it comes po sa horse power nya and fuel consumption..thnks po sir!

[alwayz_yummy]

tanong ko lang kung pwede yan sa vios (although i dont own one)? ask ko din ano Fuel Consumption nito.

luma na ang black top....2zz-ge na palit mo dyan...6MT or 5AT... kung sswertihan ka--supercharged 2zz-ge