2023 Toyota Innova (3rd Gen)

[ice15]

matagal na gusto mag quit daw ni toyota ph dahil mas mura pa sa ibang bansa, na aawa lang siya sa empleyado, example sa 2021 innova namin, 2 months waiting ang replacement front and rear bumper kahit na ba made in sta rosa laguna lang siya, cutting corners na din ang toyota sa mga out of scope warranty items tulad na lang ng hindi pag align at pag balance ng gulong sa sta rosa laguna plant kase di nman siya sakop ng warranty at kung mapapansin ninyo sira na din ang vehicle RFID tag printer ng toyota PH versus sa imported vehicle na maayos ang pag ka print...

versus sa mitsubishi mirage g4 na readily available ang front bumper replacement sa casa

nakita ni toyota siguro na hindi na bababa ang presyo ng diesel kaya stop na muna tulad na lang nung ginawa nila sa gen2 na hininto din nila ang pag labas ng gasoline engine sa innova...

I don't think it has something to do with the price of diesel.

in a global business perspective. I wonder if its worth it to keep a diesel version of a vehicle for a specific country only?
Can Toyota PH still sell 10K units of the current Gen diesel Innova if its sold with the 3rd Gen?

Hi-Ace commuter is only round 1.3M...

[Stigg ma]

I don't think it has something to do with the price of diesel.

in a global business perspective. I wonder if its worth it to keep a diesel version of a vehicle for a specific country only?
Can Toyota PH still sell 10K units of the current Gen diesel Innova if its sold with the 3rd Gen?

Hi-Ace commuter is only round 1.3M...

not price of diesel? eh bakit yung mga ka kumpetesya niya MPV ay puro gasoline?

[thearsenal1205]

This more likely will happen:
Innova Zenix FWD will be imported from Indonesia.
Current Diesel IMV based RWD Innova still assembled in Sta Rosa assembly plant.

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[baludoy]

Would it be significantly cheaper than the now pricey Innova kaya?

At its price Kasi Hindi na din practical maging everyday spartan workhorse Ang innova.

https://twitter.com/Ted_Cordero/stat...tn5BuH24g&s=19

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[papi smith]

I'm not going to touch EVs until they go mainstream. Typical rich Filipino wants an EV to make a statement. It will just be another vehicle parked on the streets logging distance traveled per year like 3k

[dr. d]

I'm not going to touch EVs until they go mainstream. Typical rich Filipino wants an EV to make a statement. It will just be another vehicle parked on the streets logging distance traveled per year like 3k

it is parked on the street because it ran out of juice before it could get home.
heh heh heh.

[thearsenal1205]

Next-gen Toyota Innova could be launched in PH this month with gas, hybrid options - Top Gear PH

It’s not just that bit that we’ve learned about. We were also told that our market is set to get both gasoline and hybrid powertrains with the next-gen model. In addition, Toyota Motor Philippines (TMP) is expected to sell the top-spec Innova as the Zenix, similar to how the range-topping Avanza is sold as the Veloz here.

As for the old diesel engine? Your guess is still as good as ours on what Toyota plans to do with that, but it wouldn’t come as a surprise if TMP decides to keep selling that version the same way it’s still offering the previous-gen Hiace here.

[travajante]

Next-gen Toyota Innova could be launched in PH this month with gas, hybrid options - Top Gear PH

For those seeking, time to get the current Innova before they run out.[emoji4]

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[thearsenal1205]

For those seeking, time to get the current Innova before they run out.[emoji4]

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TMP will not discontinue the production of current diesel powered RWD body on frame 2nd gen Innova. They will sell it alongside with the new Innova Zenix gas/hybrid.

Toyota PH will sell 2023 Innova Zenix hybrid alongside old Innova - Autoindustriya.com

There are two probable reasons for Toyota opting not to phase out the older Innova in the Philippines; at least not yet. The first reason is likely because they are not looking at retooling the local assembly plant for the new model. Going to an entirely new platform (frame-based to monocoque) entails a totally new assembly process, and that takes time and a lot of reinvestment to do. And being a hybrid also means they have to invest in the equipment to assemble that too.

The second reason is that customers would probably want a turbodiesel for a seven (or eight) seater like an Innova, and the non-hybrid variants are using 2.0L gasoline engines. And as it stands, we have yet to see a turbodiesel on the third-generation model as the diesels are rear-drive oriented. And of course, diesels have largely fallen out of favor in many of Toyota’s markets… except the Philippines.

[Akky M]

Is the existing Innova better than the upcoming hybrid?

Lost track of the generation of models.

I got the innova when it was first release in feb/march 2005, its a manual. Wife got tired of switching from manual and automatic (our other car is matic), so we decided to sell it after 3 yrs. first gen manual is solid though.


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[sirkosero]

Is the existing Innova better than the upcoming hybrid?

Lost track of the generation of models.

I got the innova when it was first release in feb/march 2005, its a manual. Wife got tired of switching from manual and automatic (our other car is matic), so we decided to sell it after 3 yrs. first gen manual is solid though.


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New version is a gas or a gas hybrid.

Torque is lower than current model. I assume the gas variant will have the same fuel consumption as the first and second gen innova with gas variant. They ditched the gas variant in 2022 for a reason. Hehe.

The hybrid variant is interesting though. Exempted sa coding for the next 7 years. Hehe. Pano kaya battery noyan

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[17Sphynx17]

New version is a gas or a gas hybrid.

Torque is lower than current model. I assume the gas variant will have the same fuel consumption as the first and second gen innova with gas variant. They ditched the gas variant in 2022 for a reason. Hehe.

The hybrid variant is interesting though. Exempted sa coding for the next 7 years. Hehe. Pano kaya battery noyan

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Well, for comparison on local warranties,

Toyota Hybrids have an 8 year warranty, not sure what the limitations are or if 8 years is exclusively for the hybrid powertrain/system only.

While Nissan Kicks specifically has a 3 year standard warranty and + 2 years additional warranty for Mech'l and Electrical (incl ePower) only. Accessories and Body/Paint are excluded in the extended 2 year warranty.

So I guess if your planning is for the whole duration of the coding exemption period of EVIDA Law, then at least Toyota has your hybrid powertrain covered by Warranty... but you'd most probably have to follow their PMS intervals if quarterly or semi-annual. I don't know what they require for Rav4, Corolla Cross, Camry and Altis HEVs in terms of PMS intervals to maintain warranty coverage.

EDIT: Regarding Toyota PH FAQ for Hybrids

"The battery is designed to last the life of the car. The vehicle itself has a 3-year warranty while the hybrid electric battery has an 8-year warranty.

The hybrid electric battery has an 8-year warranty. Toyota vehicles have a 3-year warranty. Through regular care and maintenance, the hybrid battery can last the same lifespan as the vehicle itself."

[ice15]

I have friends overseas who owns/drives a 10 year old Prius and they never had issues with the car

[dr. d]

"The battery is designed to last the life of the car. The vehicle itself has a 3-year warranty while the hybrid electric battery has an 8-year warranty.

The hybrid electric battery has an 8-year warranty. Toyota vehicles have a 3-year warranty. Through regular care and maintenance, the hybrid battery can last the same lifespan as the vehicle itself."

well, toyota has a slightly different definnition of "life of the car", when compared to the typical filipino car owner's.
heh heh..

i wonder,
what will be the re-sale value of the EV or hybrid car, when the expensive battery is dying and about to be replaced?

and no,
i am not a strong believer in considerably cheaper battery replacement cost by then.

[ice15]

well, toyota has a slightly different definnition of "life of the car", when compared to the typical filipino car owner's.
heh heh..

I just saw news yesterday na the average age of cars in US roads is 12 years na. should be similar to Metro Manila setting
(25 years for specialty vehicles like school buses and garbage trucks)

As for the possible resale value. I have colleagues right now who can't even sell their Territory and other Chinese cars even if super baba na ng presyo nila. Puro tingin tingin lang yung possible buyers.

If both cars are sold at 2M now, 10 years later, which car do you think will have a better value? A hybrid Innova or a Chinese Crossover?

[uls]

many people interested in hybrid

the no coding incentive works

i was at a dinner recently and 2 people there already own hybrids and others are planning to buy

gray market importers are bringing in hybrid sequoia, tundra, highlander...

baka ito na hinihintay ni kagalingan pinoys moving away from diesel

[jigeloh]

Yes Agree in this. Sana makakagawa sila ng 1500km range battery and minimun 30yrs battery life hehhehe. Will gladly replace my 4yr old diesel which still give me a 1000km+ on a full tank in a highway driving.

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