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    #41
    Quote Originally Posted by zix888 View Post
    V6 over 4cylinder? Wala yata comparison
    Sadyang wala talaga comparison sir (following are of all Philippine-issue 3.0 to 3.2-litre diesel CRDi's):

    1. 3.2-litre Mitsuboshi Pajero, 4-inline - 165 ps and 373 Nm from 2000 rpm to approx. 2500 rpm (c/o Mitsu Phil. website)

    2. 3.0-litre Toyota Prado, 4-inline - 172 ps and 410 Nm from 1600 rpm to 2800 rpm

    3. 3.0-litre Hyundai Veracruz eVGT, V6 - 243 ps and 451 Nm from 1750 rpm to 3500 rpm ;)


    Maging sa price din sir walang comparison:

    1. Pajero - PhP2.75 M (baka nga sir mas mahal pa yung 200 ps 4M41 VGT sakali dumating dito sa Pinas)

    2. Prado - PhP3.50 M

    3. Veracruz - PhP2.80 M


    BUT, between the 1KD-FTV 3.0-litre Fortuner D4-D vs. the 4D56 2.5-litre Montysport GTV, i would still choose the Toyota 3.0-litre for its NOTABLE responsive peak flat torque of 343 Nm distributed from 1400 rpm to 3200 rpm as against the upper rpm-powered only Monty GTV that makes ONLY 250 Nm at 1800 rpm reaching 350 Nm once only at a high-rev of 3500 rpm.




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    Quote Originally Posted by hinDMaxsiado View Post
    Sadyang wala talaga comparison sir (following are of all Philippine-issue 3.0 to 3.2-litre diesel CRDi's):

    1. 3.2-litre Mitsuboshi Pajero, 4-inline - 165 ps and 373 Nm from 2000 rpm to approx. 2500 rpm (c/o Mitsu Phil. website)

    2. 3.0-litre Toyota Prado, 4-inline - 172 ps and 410 Nm from 1600 rpm to 2800 rpm

    3. 3.0-litre Hyundai Veracruz eVGT, V6 - 243 ps and 451 Nm from 1750 rpm to 3500 rpm ;)


    Maging sa price din sir walang comparison:

    1. Pajero - PhP2.75 M (baka nga sir mas mahal pa yung 200 ps 4M41 VGT sakali dumating dito sa Pinas)

    2. Prado - PhP3.50 M

    3. Veracruz - PhP2.80 M


    BUT, between the 1KD-FTV 3.0-litre Fortuner D4-D vs. the 4D56 2.5-litre Montysport GTV, i would still choose the Toyota 3.0-litre for its NOTABLE responsive peak flat torque of 343 Nm distributed from 1400 rpm to 3200 rpm as against the upper rpm-powered only Monty GTV that makes ONLY 250 Nm at 1800 rpm reaching 350 Nm once only at a high-rev of 3500 rpm.



    Correct ko lang kayo sir, monty with 178ps has a flat torque of 350 nm distributed from 1800-3500rpm, halos pareho lang din pala kung tutuusin. But syempre mas matipid fc nung 2.5 compared 3.0. But me edge fort sa 4x4 kasi kelangan agad torque at a very low rpm, but sa rektahan i will give it to the monty

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    #43
    Quote Originally Posted by zix888 View Post
    Correct ko lang kayo sir, monty with 178ps has a flat torque of 350 nm distributed from 1800-3500rpm, halos pareho lang din pala kung tutuusin. But syempre mas matipid fc nung 2.5 compared 3.0. But me edge fort sa 4x4 kasi kelangan agad torque at a very low rpm, but sa rektahan i will give it to the monty

    Sir, galing po mismo ito sa Mitsuboshi Phils. website ;)




    250 Nm at 1800 rpm and only by 3500 rpm it is making 350 Nm (look at the orange line) .... Is that a peak flat torque by your standards sir? ....Besides it is written there 1800 ~ 3500 rpm, NOT 1800 to 3500 rpm .... hehe :D

    Cited din ni Mr. Ferman Lao ng TopGear Phils. yan bosing, that the 4D56 engine na sinalpakan lang ng VGT is making ONLY 250 Nm at 1800 rpm NOT 350 Nm but is nonetheless better than the non-VGT 4D56, 3.2-litre 4M41 standard engine, and better than the current Philippine-issue Nissan Navara's engine, according to him ---- read the Montysport's Hiroshi Matsuoka Challenge ;)









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    #44
    Quote Originally Posted by RRperformance View Post
    ok na sana yung updated version ng fortuner and hilux tapus almost same price na sa montero. pero ang sablay hindi nila pinalitan ng VNT turbo na same sa thailand.
    The 1KD-FTV 3.0 engine of the Fortuner has already been equipped with VNT since it's release in circa 2005.

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    Yes sir tama kayo about the website, kaso mali po yung gumawa ng graph nila ( well kasalanan din ng mmpc yan for not making the necessary correction ) eto po ang real graph from mitsu thailand, plus the specs from its manual.

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    Toyota Please put VSC on all the models as Standard

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    Quote Originally Posted by zix888 View Post
    *hinDMaxsiado

    http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/...h/2cfb22a4.jpg

    Yes sir tama kayo about the website, kaso mali po yung gumawa ng graph nila ( well kasalanan din ng mmpc yan for not making the necessary correction ) eto po ang real graph from mitsu thailand, plus the specs from its manual.

    Mabuti sir nai-post niyo yan at matagal ko na rin nakita yan sa Mitsu Thailand....
    ....Ganon din yan sir, not trustworthy na data, unless the person reading it likes to take what he JUST wants to see

    Look closely the red line sir diyan sa Thai website and anyone who is critical about the fact that while the paper-claims of Mitsubishi in both fronts differ, say Mitsu Philippine website and Mitsu Thailand, this one even shows a questionable torque graph ---- The torque here in this Thai website is already dipping-down past 3000 rpm and is NOT extending flat-out to 3500 rpm as claimed, while that on the Mitsu Philippines official data, it is still peaking up at 3000 rpm going to 3500 rpm and then dropping off rapidly haha!....
    ....Puros mga retoque na yan sir ah at hindi magkatugma-tugma mga official data sa iisang makina lang na pinag-uusapan nila hehe


    i have BIG doubts at any data coming from Mitsubishi quite frankly given by the fact na malalayo mga paper claims nila maging sa chassis-dyno na data ng Speedlab Racing. As an example, this data pertains to the 3.2-litre 4M41 engine on the Strada. While we all know that the publicised stock-trim figure for the 3.2-litre Strada/ Montysport is 343 Nm peak torque at 2000 rpm, but on this chassis-dyno, it is ONLY making 313 Nm at the rear wheel and at an even higher rev of 3000 rpm

    You may convert sir 231.1 lb force-ft to Nm and you'll get 312.9 Nm only (see red line for the stock-setting)




    NOW compare that to the stock-trim 3.0-litre 1KD-FTV engine of the Hilux ---- While Toyota publicises the torque of this engine for the Forty and Hilux to be around 343 Nm, in the chassis-dyno by Speedlab Racing, however, it is actually making a rear-wheel torque of 383 Nm at 2500 rpm

    See the red line sir for the stock setting of the Hilux




    At mukhang mas RESPONSIVE pa ang Toyota 1KD-FTV engine sa mods (kahit 1st-stage intake mod lang ito, i.e. the Unichip) kaysa sa 4M41 engine na sinalpakan na ng Unichip plus alcohol injection. The 4M41 was only able to gain 410 Nm peak torque with the two mods installed, while the Toyota 1KD-FTV gained a WHOPPING 455 Nm of peak torque with the Unichip alone....




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    Hehe, ot na tyo. Anyone can confirm if the new fort with 5 speed tranny already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hinDMaxsiado View Post
    Mabuti sir nai-post niyo yan at matagal ko na rin nakita yan sa Mitsu Thailand....
    ....Ganon din yan sir, not trustworthy na data, unless the person reading it likes to take what he JUST wants to see

    Look closely the red line sir diyan sa Thai website and anyone who is critical about the fact that while the paper-claims of Mitsubishi in both fronts differ, say Mitsu Philippine website and Mitsu Thailand, this one even shows a questionable torque graph ---- The torque here in this Thai website is already dipping-down past 3000 rpm and is NOT extending flat-out to 3500 rpm as claimed, while that on the Mitsu Philippines official data, it is still peaking up at 3000 rpm going to 3500 rpm and then dropping off rapidly haha!....
    ....Puros mga retoque na yan sir ah at hindi magkatugma-tugma mga official data sa iisang makina lang na pinag-uusapan nila hehe


    i have BIG doubts at any data coming from Mitsubishi quite frankly given by the fact na malalayo mga paper claims nila maging sa chassis-dyno na data ng Speedlab Racing. As an example, this data pertains to the 3.2-litre 4M41 engine on the Strada. While we all know that the publicised stock-trim figure for the 3.2-litre Strada/ Montysport is 343 Nm peak torque at 2000 rpm, but on this chassis-dyno, it is ONLY making 313 Nm at the rear wheel and at an even higher rev of 3000 rpm

    You may convert sir 231.1 lb force-ft to Nm and you'll get 312.9 Nm only (see red line for the stock-setting)




    NOW compare that to the stock-trim 3.0-litre 1KD-FTV engine of the Hilux ---- While Toyota publicises the torque of this engine for the Forty and Hilux to be around 343 Nm, in the chassis-dyno by Speedlab Racing, however, it is actually making a rear-wheel torque of 383 Nm at 2500 rpm

    See the red line sir for the stock setting of the Hilux




    At mukhang mas RESPONSIVE pa ang Toyota 1KD-FTV engine sa mods (kahit 1st-stage intake mod lang ito, i.e. the Unichip) kaysa sa 4M41 engine na sinalpakan na ng Unichip plus alcohol injection. The 4M41 was only able to gain 410 Nm peak torque with the two mods installed, while the Toyota 1KD-FTV gained a WHOPPING 455 Nm of peak torque with the Unichip alone....




    Well that's your opinion sir, but as far as mitsu/toyota specs and manual is concern,balikatan lang ang 3.0vnt fort and 2.5vgt ng monty. Oops ot na, sensya na. Is the new fort pala with sports mode na din?TIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by zix888 View Post
    Well that's your opinion sir, but as far as mitsu/toyota specs and manual is concern,balikatan lang ang 3.0vnt fort and 2.5vgt ng monty. Oops ot na, sensya na. Is the new fort pala with sports mode na din?TIA

    NOPE, mababa lang torque rating ng Mitsu 4D56 na sinalpakan lang ng VGT sa low-end rpm compared to the 3.0-litre Toyota 1KD-FTV.... At hindi magka-tugma tugma data ng Mitsubishi sa iba't ibang websites.... Needless to say, hindi alam paano i-retoke ng Mitsuboshi ang claim nila para maibenta sa Thailand dahil malakas na malakas ang benta ng Toyota Hilux sir

    Klarong-klaro that in reality the 4D56 VGT is NOT making 350 Nm at 1800 rpm, as falsely claimed by Mitsuboshi for the sake of publicity hehe :D ....Heto excerpt sa article ni Mr. Ferman Lao (President of CAGI, co-owner of Speedlab Racing, and technical editor of TopGear Phils.)

    "Geeking out, it’s interesting to fathom how the power and torque comes in with the newer and more powerful Variable Geometry Turbo (VGT) equipped 4D56. Comparing data from the dynamometer charts, the newer engine reaches its peak torque at 3,500 rpm INSTEAD of a low 2,000 rpm. Although the two older engines are capable of delivering 250 Nm as early as 1,500 rpm, peak torque is achieved only 500 rpm later and drops off quickly, thereby making acceleration and throttle response suffer - a common complaint amongst older Montero Sport owners. Also, the VGT-equipped 4D56 produces 250 Nm of torque as low as 1,800 rpm giving it a much broader rpm range...."

    Mitsubishi Montero Sport GTV: The Hiroshi Masuoka Challenge



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