PAF to Acquire Fighter Jets from Korea

[brainmafia_310]

Who's going to war?

The whole premise has been about the Philippines being able to defend its territory. You can't defend your territory by not showing up and you can't show up without proper equipment.

If you reduce the dispute into a purely economic relations matter, then we might as well sell off our country piece by piece to the highest bidder.

Havent the philippines done that more than several decades ago?

Sir, afaik 80% of business man (say top 300 na lang) chinese of decent na naging pinoy lang dahil dito na tumanda. Lucio tan, henry sy, george ty, michael gotianun, and even suppliers of all kinds - semento, martilyo, paco bilangin niyo sir hardware na makikita niyo mangilan ngilan lang ang pinoy.

Second, if it is not economic- then by all means US should send all of their support according to the treaty because it is already an act of war same with what is happening in japan (which has more of everything compared to us) - even them cannot mach the fire power of the chinese considwring they have been the 2nd biggest economy for a long time and just surpasses by china i think this year.

So based on japans model as a starting military - what can we do? Of course the choice is only two PRIDE OR PEOPLE? afaik, china chooses people when they surrender hongkong to the brits.

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[Altis6453]

Let say meron mga chinese na pumasok sa teritory natin, sample mga mangingisda.

padala tayo ng fighter jets, tapos sasabihin ng china na territory namin yan, pinas paalisin mo ang fighter jets mo.

shempre since igigiit natin na atin un mag paikot ikot ung fighter jets natin, at para mag show of force magpadala na din ng fighter jets ang china.

2 fighter jets ng magkaibang bansa, paikot ikot sa isang lugar na pinagtatalunan.

Ano ba ang pwede mangyari?

kaya nga sayang lang ang taxpayer money natin, kasi we cannot sustain military pressence in the area. At malaki ang economic impact na dahil sa stand-off incident na katulad nito ay pwedeng mag stop ang china mag export ng products nya sa atin.

Dahil hindi naman na kakayanin ng mga local industry natin na mag produce ng products for our local consumption.

Well, the whole idea of this modernization of the AFP is to give it the capability to sustain such operations, like routine patrol flights and voyages by our naval vessels so you can't say its unsustainable. Magiging unsustainable lang kung hindi pag lalaanan ng pondo. Kung pera lang eh meron ang gobyerno.

Isa pa, kung hahayaan natin ang mga ginagawa ng China kasi sila ang biggest trading partner daw, eh inuulit ko---magpa sakop nalang tayo Para tawagin ding Chinese.

[brainmafia_310]

Peace brothers, its just my point especially if this things are not like lockes for 50years the next admin might focus on other things and i am just afraid that it may all end in junk. Look at all the brand new police cars they are worst than the worst taxi.

So imho, developing from within is the key to thia issue and let us not be dependent on uncle sam and etc. We have balls.

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[JohnM]

Peace brothers, its just my point especially if this things are not like lockes for 50years the next admin might focus on other things and i am just afraid that it may all end in junk. Look at all the brand new police cars they are worst than the worst taxi.

So imho, developing from within is the key to thia issue and let us not be dependent on uncle sam and etc. We have balls.

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The contract includes parts and service for a few years so medyo matagal pa bago masira yan. Pilots AND mechanics/maintainers will be sent to Korea to learn the ins and outs of the plane. All of the recent DND contracts require this (including GMA's Sokol choppers) dahil natuto na sila (sana) sa past mistakes nila in terms of maintenance. PNP? BFP? Ewan ko na lang

And notice we're not buying American although US-based technology din sya. Good because we are familiar with their weapons and practices. Pero so far sa mga modernization plans we're not going American mostly because mas mahal sila compared to Korea, Italy or Indonesia. We are also building our local maintenance people as evidenced by our fully-rebuilt C130 which flew out of Clark a few months ago and is helping Zamboanga and Bohol.

And going back to your bilateral point: the reason why China does not want to bring the Spratleys issue to the UN is mainly because of their 9-dash line (Nine-dotted line - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) which does not recognize the UN's 200 mile(?) EEZ around our coast. If we go bilateral they will insist on the 9-dash line so say goodbye to our islands (including natural resources) in the West Philippine Sea. IMO that's not acceptable.

[brainmafia_310]

Yup south china sea is owned by china, but not scarborough shoal. Heheheh. Imho, in case na ganyan mangayayri magfull scale conflict ito sa mafaling panahon. Sino nasa loosing end? Tayo pa din. Hahahha. Do you think aaction US? Nononono. They are occupied with all of what they are doing now. Hahahha. Japan di ba tinease ng both russia and china on both ends and pasok sa terotoryo ng japan, may nangyari po ba. Heheheh

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[JohnM]

Yup south china sea is owned by china, but not scarborough shoal. Heheheh. Imho, in case na ganyan mangayayri magfull scale conflict ito sa mafaling panahon. Sino nasa loosing end? Tayo pa din. Hahahha. Do you think aaction US? Nononono. They are occupied with all of what they are doing now. Hahahha. Japan di ba tinease ng both russia and china on both ends and pasok sa terotoryo ng japan, may nangyari po ba. Heheheh

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Tali ang kamay ng US. Di lang tayo may MDT sa kanila. AFAIK meron din sila sa Taiwan (which China is claiming as a rebel state) and Korea. So if the US does not honor its MDT with us they will lose their international credibility.

Pero ang MDT does not mean na titihaya na lang tayo and iyak na lang kung may lulusob

[yebo]

pvtangina ng mga duwag dito sa forum! ano gusto nyo papakant0t sa pwet na lang tayo sa mga intsik na walang kalaban-laban? kung yung babae na may nakatutok na balisong sa leeg lumalaban pa, kayo naman puro surrender na agad nasa isip nyo. kaya nga inuumpisahan bumili ng kahit konti para pag laon e meron. sino ba nagsabi na makikipag-gyera na tayo pag nadeliver ang 12 na FA50? 12 sa una, tapos baka masundan ng 12 pa, tapos susunod baka sakali eurofighter, o kahit f16 na lang. at madagdagan sana ng land based air defends system.

e gusto nyo naman biglang yaman agad e. o kaya gusto nyo surrender na lang.magsilayas na nga lang kayo sa pilipinas at wala naman pala kayong silbi pag nagka-ipitan. siguro di pa nagla-landing mga intsik nakasuot na kayo ng uniform ninyo ng colLaborator! bwiset!

OO, TINATAWAG KO KAYONG MGA TRAIDOR!!!

[yebo]

Patahi na kayo ng arm band na ganito o, tutal yan ang gusto nyo di ba? Collaborator ng china! Traidor!




o yan, ready na kayo! may lolo ba kayong MAKAPILI? ows, aminin!

[greenlyt]

^ hahaha cool lang sir Yebo
remember the Kuwaiti invasion, napakayaman na bansa pero na invade ng iraq dahil hindi nila pinansin yun mga threat ng iraq
one more thing, the reason why China has surpassed japan milatary wise is because bawal mag build up ng military ang japan, kasama yun sa condition sa pag surrender nila nun WW2
yun ng Japan military for self defense
yun military build up ng China eh kitang kita na for offense

[yebo]

e nakakainis yang mga defeatist e. weeeh, 12 lang! di uubra yan sa china! e wala nga pambili ng 1000 kaya 12 muna, unti unti, little by little ika nga sa english. mahirap ba intindihin yun? if a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step, a credible air force begins with 12 trainers. mahirap ba ha? ha? too complicated?

so dahil hindi uubra yung 12 e sayang pera? e kailan maguumpisa, pag nasakop na ang buong spratleys at di na makapunta sa laot mga pinoy fishermen? ganun? tapos saka ka magrereklamo na mahal ang presyo ng isda! bwiset!

walang alam kundi magreklamo. kung gusto mo madami mabiling fighter jets e sige umpisahan natin, contribute tayo kahit presyo ng isang gulong lang. kesa nagngangakngak ka dyan na surrender na lang.

[rollyic]

try to watch this first....before we think of war.



think first of the wonderful life we have now...

[robot.sonic]

Simple lang yan. Kung ayaw mo mapasok ng ibang tao bahay mo, bili ka ng pang secure. Kung kulang ang budget, pakonti konti lang ang bili ng gamit. Di bale ng konti kesa wala. In a few years, magkakaroon ka na din ng credible na defense.

Kung ioppose pa yang pagbili ng mga jets, ano na lang matitira ng territory para sa mga anak or apo natin. Think long term din.

Tingnan nyo japan. Kung wala sila mga gamit malamang na occupy na ng yung senkaku.

[greenlyt]

and let me add lang yun jets hindi lang pang outside threat pwde rin magamit yan sa mga makukulit na misuari and mnlf, npa

[Altis6453]

Bottomline, we need a credible defense posture and to do it, we have to be willing to spend...as Yebo put it, even little by little for the PH to get where it wants to be insofar as its territorial claims are concerned.

The 12 FA-50 jets from S. Korea and other immediate military acquisitions won't change the balance of power over the West Philippine Sea overnight, but it sends a message to China that we are now keenly aware of how we want to build up our capability for external defense.

The moment you rely on this "biggest trading partner" BS to solve our territorial dispute, you're at the mercy of the trading partner with the bigger economy and the one sending more goods to your country.

Oh, and this "talk to your neighbor" thing won't work if your neighbor doesn't even recognize international laws or treaties to which it was a party to (UNCLOS). It means, China will only abide by those rules which it feels will most favor its claims over the West Philippine Sea.

[yebo]

Yung mga lolo nga natin na guerilla bao lang ng niyog na pinuno ng pulbura at pinutol-putol na mga pako kinatakutan ng hapon nung ww2. Lumaban sila kahit walang makain sa bundok ng bataan. Si bonifacio kahit itak lang at sibat na gawa sa kawayan lumaban. Pero itong mga walang bayag dito sayang lang daw ang pera kaya huwag na bumili ng fa50. Anak ng makapili naman talaga o, e may kilala akong bakla na mas matapang pa sa inyo e! Kung sino pa yung mas nakakaangat sa buhay yun pa ang unang magsasabi na surrender. Buti pa siguro yung tambay sa kanto na walang trabaho pag nagka-gyera yun pa malamang ang unang magiging bayani kesa sa mga iba dito na mayaman pero wala naman paninindigan.

Mag migrate na lang kayo! Baka sakali pag napunta kayo sa bansang mayaman e magkaron kayo ng buto. Mahirap ang pilipinas at konti lang ang armas pero madami tiyak ang maiiwan dito na hindi kagaya ninyong duwag.

[chua_riwap]

^ puso mo!

[JohnM]

Mas mauna pa kasi malusob ang rig ni yebo kesa fishing grounds natin :hysterical:

In fact I would be surprised if a PLAN sub or 3 isn't already permanently stationed around our Malampaya rigs hence the Navy's planned anti-sub purchases. New choppers are coming online before the year ends

[TopEngine]

Noong nagsimula ang balita tungkol sa pagsabi ng Tsina na kanila ang mga isla sa West Philippine Sea, nasabi ko pa sa mga kasamahan kong Pinoy sa work na kung manghihingi ang gobyerno ng pera sa mga OFWs at talagang ibibili sa mga Jets, mga barko, other defence equipment,s at wala ni kusing na mako-corrupt, magbibigay ako maipagtanggol lang ang Pilipinas.

Sana din mag-isip at mag-implement ang gobyerno ng pang long-term na mapasigla ang ekonomiya ng bansa at mamamayan, for sure sunod-sunod na yan.

[Manilablock]

Defence of a country will need people, people who are willing to defend.

personally I would prefer our government to use the money to uplift the life of our kababayan.

Minsan nga naisip ko everytime na naghahamon ang mga pulitiko natin, hindi naman sila ang humahawak ng baril at salubungin ang kalaban.

internally meron pa din tayo problem sa security ng bansa natin (mnlf,milf, npa, etc.) na hindi kayang sugpuin ng phil. gov.

kung talagang gusto mo ipakita sa china na handa ka lumaban simulan mo muna burahin ang mga kalaban na nasa loob ng ating bakuran (mnlf,milf,npa etc.).

[JohnM]

Defence of a country will need people, people who are willing to defend.

personally I would prefer our government to use the money to uplift the life of our kababayan.

Minsan nga naisip ko everytime na naghahamon ang mga pulitiko natin, hindi naman sila ang humahawak ng baril at salubungin ang kalaban.

internally meron pa din tayo problem sa security ng bansa natin (mnlf,milf, npa, etc.) na hindi kayang sugpuin ng phil. gov.

kung talagang gusto mo ipakita sa china na handa ka lumaban simulan mo muna burahin ang mga kalaban na nasa loob ng ating bakuran (mnlf,milf,npa etc.).

Re internal threats di na pwede ang all out war ni Erap. The military is going for the slower but more effective "hearts and minds" campaign.

BTW di ka ba nagtataka why leftists didn't make a single reklamo when the Chinese shooed away our fishermen from Panatag? Pero kung may US sundalo lang na umihi sa bakod ng Roxas Blvd nakupo end of the world na para sa kanila.

There is a budget for everything and by law the DND budget should never exceed the DepEd's budget. Kung di nakarating sa taong bayan ang budget para sa skwelahan di na problema ng DND yon.