SUZUKI APV - mod. pics.

[Ranma]

Hi everyone,
I'm from Jakarta, Indonesia.

Thought any of you need this car pics. They're member of APV club in my country.

The guy with license plate 'BIG APV' uses 20" chrome wheels set, with spinner too, and Honda Jazz/Fit's side mirror. Plus he also modded the windows for the passenger doors. Looks like Japanese minivan... The one that uses polished aluminium wheel is 18" wheels set. All have lowered the suspension.


Sorry if this is not the right forum to post, please suggest me the right one in Tsikot. This is my 1st post in here :-)

[niky]

Don't really like spinners, but the body kit is great!

He should've put a chrome grille in, the black mesh grille doesn't balance well with the rest of the car.

Hell! How'd he do the window mod? That one made me do a double take!

Oh, love the mags on the other one... the lip clearance is insanely tight!

[Kikkomann]

Welcome to Tsikot (slang of the word "kotse", meaning car)!

They really look like Japanese minivans (Nissan Cube?).

Sleek!

[Ranma]

Welcome to Tsikot (slang of the word "kotse", meaning car)!...

ic, Tagalog isn't it?
My dad's a Pinoy, but I can't speak one

Hmm, no means to offense
I remember about Kikkoman before...
seems like a brand of Japanese soy sauce. Love that one in jp restaurant. Tasty, or 'oishii', jpn people said
http://www.kikkoman.co.jp/products/lineup/index.html

[niky]

The Suzuki APV is kind of uncommon here, because a lot of people believe that if it isn't Toyota, it isn't worth it. Too bad for them.

Does your club have instructions on how to do the window modification in the second row? My friend might be interested in doing it on his APV.

Our APVs are a little less fuel efficient, I think, because of the bigger engine.

[ILuvDetailing]

I love the black one with the "plato" rims (the one on the left) :D

Whats the size of those tires? Does it affect the turning radius?

[Ranma]

Does your club have instructions on how to do the window modification in the second row? My friend might be interested in doing it on his APV...

The guy used rubber window lining rail that's used in Daihatsu Zebra Espass (Indonesian product) passenger door, and he also custom-cut the glass windows. The original metal rail of window is also removed/cut away.

The Suzuki APV is kind of uncommon here, because a lot of people believe that if it isn't Toyota, it isn't worth it. Too bad for them.

Actually I was in Toyota 'bandwagon' before (Corona 2.0 litre) and Isuzu (Panther/Hilander 2.3). But since technology is evolving and since 2002 Suzuki started to re-manage their product package, well, I prefer Suzuki than Toyota. This is ofcourse in the mid-low priced car. In mid-low class, I've felt several 'decreasing' in Toyota products, and that's a bit disappointing. Pity Toyota, they seemed to look for big bucks in this class.

For example the Avanza, the 1.3 litre version has bad rear suspension design, that's causing instability when passing in some degree of bumpy road. And the front disc brake is not a ventilated version (dunno about exported version). And there's a bit body ringing/vibration/wind sound issue in high speed. That's the biggest issue, at least for me. The other is the quality-made of Avanza clearly looks cheap in the eyes Far different from the pricey Innova... APV seems between both, but positioned in the same price with Avanza, more interesting to me.

To be honest, I was nearly-nearly about to get Avanza (since there's no other competing product in its class at that time) in 3 days before Suzuki salesperson contacted me & told that APV will be launched soon. Lucky for Suzuki, and lucky me :-)

I've been using APV for nearly 2 years by now, no probs at all so far. Interesting product too, since it's quite stable up to 120km/h in fast cornering with that towering body, heheh
My Panther/Hilander 2.3 could do that only up to 80km/h in the same road.
Both are in bare standard condition.

I like Toyota's premium cars (Alphard, Cressida, Celsior/Lexus LS4xx etc.), but not the value-minded ones...
I think good value-minded cars is now already belongs to Suzuki.

Photo:
black APV, beside Avanza (left), Kijang Innova (front) and the previous Kijang - you might call it Tamaraw/Unser I guess (back).

[Kikkomann]

Clean-looking interiors. Not a big fan of orange though.

ic, Tagalog isn't it?

Hmm, no means to offense
I remember about Kikkoman before...
seems like a brand of Japanese soy sauce. Love that one in jp restaurant. Tasty, or 'oishii', jpn people said
http://www.kikkoman.co.jp/products/lineup/index.html

Yes, indeed.

[redorange]

Have to agree with Niky on the spinners, bet it would look great with black rims with a polished lip to extend the all black theme. I like the rims on the other one though it looks like an AMG rim. Both are nice rides none the less. What does the inside look like? Is that a side exit exhaust on the one with the spinners?

[LLeR 010]

nice ride! hinde bagay yung spinner. tama yung isang set og mags parang galing sa AMG. ganda nang body kits nya ha, simple lang siya.

[Ranma]

.... What does the inside look like? Is that a side exit exhaust on the one with the spinners?

Yes it is, it's a working muffler :-)
I heard that he also installed a turbo last time. b16 4pv is actually an everyday car that's also function as a show car. Already won several award in any car show in Jakarta.

Inside?
All interior is coloured light-orange, and 'loaded' too. Check the photos :-)

Note:
he used 19"x8J Venerdi Herreborani wheels set before that, with normal muffler.
Source page:
http://www.otomotif-online.com/art_c...501&artid=3402

[oldblue]

nice interior

[peterdgreat]

Yes it is, it's a working muffler :-)
I heard that he also installed a turbo last time. b16 4pv is actually an everyday car that's also function as a show car. Already won several award in any car show in Jakarta.

Inside?
All interior is coloured light-orange, and 'loaded' too. Check the photos :-)

Note:
he used 19"x8J Venerdi Herreborani wheels set before that, with normal muffler.
Source page:
http://www.otomotif-online.com/art_c...501&artid=3402

Hi Ranma, i like your interior mods especially ur entertainment system. may i know how much it cost u for this. the flipdown LCD monitor + the small one at ur front. im planning to install d same thing what you've done and its more peferrable for me to have a simultaneous viewing from the front monitor which has all the control system like the dvd upto the flipdown LCD monitor for the back seat passenger.

i will highly appreciate it if you can give me some details for these items. can you tell me the product name of the aformentioned item.

thanks and regards
peter

[j-six]

hi ranma, i would like to know more artilces about the apv in apvclub indonesia, however sad to say i cant understand them. could you refer to us any other websites that has some english articles that pimps the apv? thanks man!

* ghost: talaga sir? kilala nyo kung sino ang owner ng apv-t (turbo)?

to all: club carry philippines changed its website to www.clubsuzukiph.tk. please take note po mga sirs. thanks!

[Ranma]

Hi Ranma, i like your interior mods especially ur entertainment system.

Sorry Peter, I can't confirm those anymore.
It's no mine, it belongs to one of club member, and he already sold his unit to someone outside the club.

Heard that it sells good with those bells & whistles though

[Ranma]

Yes, they're nearly road scraper :-p

There's also another guy with Japan made alloy wheel, Estatus 18". All of them are customized their bodykit. (B/W photo)
The other is Toyota Alphard, the Japanese minivan (though still called "mini" it's actually bigger than Innova!). Just to give a van comparison to APV when modded :-)

BTW, Suzuki Indonesia offered us the unit exactly like this (in X or GX variant):
http://www.suzuki.co.jp/release/d/d040723.htm
X variant has 195/65R15 Bridgestone Turanza ER60 tires set, with 15" alloy wheels, cream/brown coloured interior. No side sign lamp on the fender in all Indonesian Domestic Market version. This feature is only available for export, the ones that you have in Phil.

There's L (or GL) variant, which has the same 185/80R14 with 14" alloy wheels set as you have in Phil. but no tilt-steering feature & has grey interior.
And the most 'affordable' is A or GA variant, which has no aircon & audio system, 14" stamped steel wheels, and other no-this-&-that in features (very basic). See white APV in attached photo. This photo is Australian version actually, no side sign lamp in here.

There's also the very-rare X-variant SGA (Suzuki Genuine Accessory) Limited Edition model. Check the silver one. This one is only offered in year 2004 - exactly like that, fresh mod from SUZUKI baking oven (factory) - heheh, by the time APV launched in Indonesia.

And, we uses G15A engine (1.5 litres) instead of G16A (1.6 l) :-D
Consumption in the city (with 60% traffic jam): 8,5km per litre regular gas.
Toll road: around 10,5km per litre in my case, since I dare running at 120km/h or more, heheh, but not furious though :-p
Tops in 155km/h, maybe the air filter's a bit dirty. Some of my friend told me he can run at 160km/h (with standard wheels set). And very few can do in 170km/h.
Yes, all are G15A engines with 5MT tranny, no G16A option in here :-p

Is APV quite popular in your country?
It is in Indonesia, though still rank 2 competing the Avanza (currently rank 1 with not much differ) :-p

BTW, try to measure the interior length from the center point of the dash cover to the back door. Compare it with Toyota Innova (called Toyota Kijang Innova in here). You might be surprised which one is the longest :-)

[udj]

hi to all..
i'm udj, from malaysia.I'm planning to buy an apv 1.6GLX A/T for my next project car, since before this i have a not-so-heavily mod Landy. I've tested the apv before and 'm in love with it..!

I read a few articles in apvclub.com, otomotif.com and a few other website (mostly written in indonesian accent) and i just can understand a few words..(eventhough i watch most of the Sinetron in Malaysia..

So, the point is, i'm searching for methods of lowering the car and put in bigger wheels. planning on putting an 18" rolling stock and 75mm drop down.

1. if i do an adjustable suspension (front) using the original absorber, do i need to cut the centre rod or otherwise will it hit the bottom of the absorber housing?
2. is it advisable to cut the spring?
3. how to modify a leaf spring to make the car lower? i heard there's a few methods such as putting a block between the leaf and axle, using a short damper etc can anyone suggest me the advisable method without sacrifying too much ride comfort?
4. For bigger wheels (17"-20") what is the best width to fit under the fender? is it just plug and play? or do i need to put spacer?
5. The ground clearance for an A/T is 170mm (oil pan) as stated in the brochure. Once the car lowered uing 18" wheels, will the oil pan scrap the road/bumps? what if it does, is there any incoming major problems regarding the oil pan?
6. is there any ready-made adjustable suspension or leaf spring for apv sold in indonesia that i can buy n just plug n play?
7. any website reference?

ur ideas will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

APV rocks!

[redorange]

hi to all..
i'm udj, from malaysia.I'm planning to buy an apv 1.6GLX A/T for my next project car, since before this i have a not-so-heavily mod Landy. I've tested the apv before and 'm in love with it..!

I read a few articles in apvclub.com, otomotif.com and a few other website (mostly written in indonesian accent) and i just can understand a few words..(eventhough i watch most of the Sinetron in Malaysia..

So, the point is, i'm searching for methods of lowering the car and put in bigger wheels. planning on putting an 18" rolling stock and 75mm drop down.

1. if i do an adjustable suspension (front) using the original absorber, do i need to cut the centre rod or otherwise will it hit the bottom of the absorber housing?
2. is it advisable to cut the spring?
Never cut springs
3. how to modify a leaf spring to make the car lower? i heard there's a few methods such as putting a block between the leaf and axle, using a short damper etc can anyone suggest me the advisable method without sacrifying too much ride comfort?
Use a lowering block
4. For bigger wheels (17"-20") what is the best width to fit under the fender? is it just plug and play? or do i need to put spacer?
5. The ground clearance for an A/T is 170mm (oil pan) as stated in the brochure. Once the car lowered uing 18" wheels, will the oil pan scrap the road/bumps?
That's the price you pay for lowering a vehicle
what if it does, is there any incoming major problems regarding the oil pan?
That depends on how you drive and if you catch the drain plug on something to rip it out
6. is there any ready-made adjustable suspension or leaf spring for apv sold in indonesia that i can buy n just plug n play?
7. any website reference?
Google is your friend

ur ideas will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

APV rocks!

See the comments above.

[Ranma]

...I'm planning to buy an apv 1.6GLX A/T for my next project car, since before this i have a not-so-heavily mod Landy. I've tested the apv before and 'm in love with it..!

Suzuki Every Landy uses coil spring at rear suspension, it's different than APV. In APV it's easier, just put a set of lowering block under the leaf spring. Check also with the tightening bolts, might need a longer ones as replacement. Better contact your nearest car mods center for proper installation & safety.

...(eventhough i watch most of the Sinetron in Malaysia..

Hmm... typical mom's show, heheh
Quite popular also in Indonesia

So, the point is, i'm searching for methods of lowering the car and put in bigger wheels. planning on putting an 18" rolling stock and 75mm drop down.

1. if i do an adjustable suspension (front) using the original absorber, do i need to cut the centre rod or otherwise will it hit the bottom of the absorber housing?

The idea used in Otomotif, if I'm not mistaken, is by modding the stock MacPherson strut shock - by removing/separating the coil spring bowl/support and make a new threads+use kind of threaded ring right at that bowl welding point (at the shocks body) so that you can lowering the car by turning that coil. Ofcourse you can use the shock from new pair ones, depends on your preferences - keep the original spring.

2. is it advisable to cut the spring?

Springs can be cut to make it lowered more but I don't like this idea since the ride quality will surely worsen, there would be much uncontrolled suspension ups & downs since the spring rate increased by doing that. Look for a pair of good proper-fit adjustable shocks from TEIN, Suzuki Sports, Eibach etc. for quality ones. A few Indonesian do this cutting technique to keep the cost down. It's your call:look+safety or look+money saving but reduced safety margin!

3. how to modify a leaf spring to make the car lower? i heard there's a few methods such as putting a block between the leaf and axle, using a short damper etc can anyone suggest me the advisable method without sacrifying too much ride comfort?

The main idea is 2:
- put a block under between leaf & axle, or
- make the leaf spring flatter so the car lowers by pressing it (not recommended)
Depends on how much you lowered the suspension, a pair of shorter damper/shocks is needed to be matched with the modification. Also cut the rubber damper block as many as how far you lowered the car. For example: if you go down 3cm then cut the rubber damper 3cm from it's original height. If you go extreme then you also need to cut the metal support right at APV's chassis - above the rubber damper . This is needed if you go more than 5cm down. It's your choice, but ofcourse it's not recommended.
A pair of camber angle adjuster set is also needed for front suspension, so that the wheel remains in standard alignment.

4. For bigger wheels (17"-20") what is the best width to fit under the fender? is it just plug and play? or do i need to put spacer?

That depends on your choice of wheel offset and width. APV Club Indonesia member usually uses 7 to 7,5-inch, and max is 8-inch of wheel width. 7,5-inch is the maximum recommended size. Standard wheel offset is +40mm, so look for the same or around it for wheel set, then you'll know when to use spacer. Spacer is kind of compensation for the wheel offset. It's best not to use any of it for better wheel & suspension integrity.

5. The ground clearance for an A/T is 170mm (oil pan) as stated in the brochure. Once the car lowered uing 18" wheels, will the oil pan scrap the road/bumps? what if it does, is there any incoming major problems regarding the oil pan?

The answer is ofcourse depends on the road you will drive over & the road quality itself. In worst case scenario if you ripped oil pan: your car's oil leaks, and eventually the engine seized/jammed due to lack of lubrication if you don't notice it. You need major engine overhaul+replace some broken parts! Major cash flows, heheheh!
If you want good look+safety: look for 18x7,5J wheel set and 225/45R18 (a bit rare) or 225/40R18 or 235/40R18 tire set, then lower your suspension while checking whether there's still enough distance between road & oil pan. Most family sedan cars usually have clearance around 150 to 170mm.

6. is there any ready-made adjustable suspension or leaf spring for apv sold in indonesia that i can buy n just plug n play?

I haven't found ones till now, it's been a while since last time I went window shopping at car shops, heheh.:surrender:

[quote=udj;810943] 7. any website reference?
Better check with your nearest shocks shop or any that can do suspension lowering. This will give you exact view of brands & models of adjustable suspension set available in the market. Look for Monroe SensaTrac shocks for better stability in good value of money. Front: compare the original spring+strut set with those avail in your place or mod your shocks+make new threads at it+threaded lock ring instead. Look for quality ones for safety reason. Other brand should be KYB, a Japanese OEM shocks maker.

ur ideas will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

You're welcome

APV rocks!

Yeah, keep it up yo!

[conssazon]

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