Power Steering Morning Stiffness

[k_leos]

I have a power steering problem the service centers at banawe and even Honda casa itself can't solve.

It is stiff only the first 5 minutes in the morning.. then ok na the rest of day.

What could usually be the cause? The steering pump still sound good they (even Honda) say. I got a pressure hose replacement (hose going from power steering pump to rack and pinion) when I got it serviced 2 years ago. But there has been no morning stiffness.. it only started this year January 2. Honda told me to use original which has bigger diameter instead of the replacement because mahirap mag pump daw kung maliit diameter.. but why didn't the problem come out the past 2 years. Sayang naman if I changed to a 13,000 Honda hose and the problem still there.

Has anyone encountered this? ano possible cause? I read in internet if the rack and pinion is going bad.. it has this symptom.. I got my rack and pinion changed 2 years ago using replacement too. Original costs 50,000.

Any theories? Any experiences?

[jick.cejoco]

I have a power steering problem the service centers at banawe and even Honda casa itself can't solve.

It is stiff only the first 5 minutes in the morning.. then ok na the rest of day.

What could usually be the cause? The steering pump still sound good they (even Honda) say. I got a pressure hose replacement (hose going from power steering pump to rack and pinion) when I got it serviced 2 years ago. But there has been no morning stiffness.. it only started this year January 2. Honda told me to use original which has bigger diameter instead of the replacement because mahirap mag pump daw kung maliit diameter.. but why didn't the problem come out the past 2 years. Sayang naman if I changed to a 13,000 Honda hose and the problem still there.

Has anyone encountered this? ano possible cause? I read in internet if the rack and pinion is going bad.. it has this symptom.. I got my rack and pinion changed 2 years ago using replacement too. Original costs 50,000.

Any theories? Any experiences?

You and your technician will find the answer easy if you perform a steering pressure test at a cold start and wait until engine warmup while the pressure gauge is still hooked up. There could be a problem with the pressure relief valve at the base of the pressure hose at the P/S pump

[k_leos]

You and your technician will find the answer easy if you perform a steering pressure test at a cold start and wait until engine warmup while the pressure gauge is still hooked up. There could be a problem with the pressure relief valve at the base of the pressure hose at the P/S pump

I went to a service center kanina.. they didn't have any pressure gauge.. are you supposed to insert this in between the power steering pump and pressure hose?

[k_leos]

Pinalit na kanina yun steering pump pressure hose... pero ito huge problem...

The steering fluid is blackish. I told the technician to drain it. He couldn't open the rack and pinion assembly tubes. So he tried to open the end of the pressure hose and let it drain there.. then he told me to turn on the engine.. he lets it drain while adding new fluid to the reservoir... this process emptied the steering fluid in the rack and pinion.

When I tried to turn the wheel.. the rack and pinion made a big noise. Later. After he screwed the end of the pressure hose and closed the reservoir. I couldn't turn the wheel. He kept turning it hard with big noise. He even jacked the car up to turn the wheel. After 10 minutes.. the wheel turns na soft na.. but meron pa great noise even until now.

The technician said the noise is because of air in the rack and pinion. Totoo ba yun? kasi when he tried to drain the pressure hose with the steering pump running.. it's sucking in the steering fluid from the rack and pinion.. masira ba ang rack and pinion when you turn it without fluid??

[jaypee10]

ung sa honda ko naman dati ayaw pumasok ng kambyo sa umaga .kailangan pang painitin ng mga 5 mins baga ka maka pag pasok ng kambyo..yan ba mga problema ng honda

[yapoy86]

Pinalit na kanina yun steering pump pressure hose... pero ito huge problem...

The steering fluid is blackish. I told the technician to drain it. He couldn't open the rack and pinion assembly tubes. So he tried to open the end of the pressure hose and let it drain there.. then he told me to turn on the engine.. he lets it drain while adding new fluid to the reservoir... this process emptied the steering fluid in the rack and pinion.

When I tried to turn the wheel.. the rack and pinion made a big noise. Later. After he screwed the end of the pressure hose and closed the reservoir. I couldn't turn the wheel. He kept turning it hard with big noise. He even jacked the car up to turn the wheel. After 10 minutes.. the wheel turns na soft na.. but meron pa great noise even until now.

The technician said the noise is because of air in the rack and pinion. Totoo ba yun? kasi when he tried to drain the pressure hose with the steering pump running.. it's sucking in the steering fluid from the rack and pinion.. masira ba ang rack and pinion when you turn it without fluid??

kung blackish na yung power steering fluid malamang may problem yung steering pump.. baka mahina na ang pressure at lumalakas lang pang nag expand na yung power steering fluid. usually pag unang andar ng power steering may vibrating noise ka lang na madidinig habang napupuno yung buong system ng fluid lalo na pag bago yung high pressure hose na dapat mawala din.

hindi naman masisira yan rack and pinion kahit walang fluid.. ang masisira dyan yung pump pag walang fluid

[yebo]

that happened to my sorento. flushing lang ng steering fluid kasi dark color na (same as in your case). wala na sa tamang viscosity yung fluid kaya matigas sa first few minutes. after napalitan ng fluid ok na ulit siya.

[Lew_Alcindor]

Something could be blocking the flow of the fluid. Then when the fluid heats up a bit, the blockage softens and allows more flow. Just a guess.

[baludoy]

Lots of team fd peeps bring their cars to benmawi motors in biñan. That's the go to shop of fd owners because their staff are former honda casa techs

Hth

when you look into the abyss, the abyss looks into you

[k_leos]

Lots of team fd peeps bring their cars to benmawi motors in biñan. That's the go to shop of fd owners because their staff are former honda casa techs

Hth

when you look into the abyss, the abyss looks into you

anong meaning ng 'team fd'?

Yun service center ko.. not only hindi sila marunong mag flush ng steering fluid.. hindi rin sila marunong mag bleed ng air sa steering system. I have air in my rack and pinion for 2 days after they put air in the system because of incorrect draining.. sabi nila normal lang yun...

I was googling kanina "can air in rack and pinion cause leak"... ask ko lang (mga people na alam nito).. is there any O-rings or gasket inside the rack and pinion where air can produce metal to gasket contact cutting a hole in the gasket or O-rings? which part inside a rack and pinion can this occur??

[baludoy]

^ bale samahan siya ng mga owners ng civic 8th gen (2006-2011) ang team fd (chassis code ng civic 8th gen ang fd).

just to clarify bro, ano bang honda car ang pinag-uusapan natin? kasi sakit din ang power steering assembly ng civic fd at doon nga sa benmawi ang go to shop ng team fd

[k_leos]

^ bale samahan siya ng mga owners ng civic 8th gen (2006-2011) ang team fd (chassis code ng civic 8th gen ang fd).

just to clarify bro, ano bang honda car ang pinag-uusapan natin? kasi sakit din ang power steering assembly ng civic fd at doon nga sa benmawi ang go to shop ng team fd

My car is Honda CRV 2004...

2 years ago nag leak ang rack and pinion... at sabi ng Car Zone sa Banawe ay mga tama na gear at waha na kuwenta so tinapun ko yun original and buy their replacement at 20k.. now 2 years later.. Honda found out nag leak replacement.. I don't know if it's because of the air introduced by the mechanico last week when he did wrong draining method or talaga lifetime nya 2 years..

Sabi ng Honda kanina.. original rack & pinion ay 46k plus labor na 3500 installation so spend pa daw ako ng 50K for new rack and pinion... it's expensive considering luma na car ko.. and ayaw ko na bili surplus.. because before putting the replacement 2 year ago. Car Zone put 2 surplus and leak agad in a row..

So ano options ko now? Tinapun na original Honda rack and pinion (I found out today puwede pala repair kit or sandpaper or machine shop if may tama).. and replacement na lang natira nakainstall sa akin And I don't want to take chances buying surplus again..

Hmm.. puwede be convert hydraulic rack and pinion ko sa CRV 2004 to Electric rack and pinion para wala na hydraulic and leak problem? Sino marunong mag convert?

[vinj]

My car is Honda CRV 2004...

2 years ago nag leak ang rack and pinion... at sabi ng Car Zone sa Banawe ay mga tama na gear at waha na kuwenta so tinapun ko yun original and buy their replacement at 20k.. now 2 years later.. Honda found out nag leak replacement.. I don't know if it's because of the air introduced by the mechanico last week when he did wrong draining method or talaga lifetime nya 2 years..

Sabi ng Honda kanina.. original rack & pinion ay 46k plus labor na 3500 installation so spend pa daw ako ng 50K for new rack and pinion... it's expensive considering luma na car ko.. and ayaw ko na bili surplus.. because before putting the replacement 2 year ago. Car Zone put 2 surplus and leak agad in a row..

So ano options ko now? Tinapun na original Honda rack and pinion (I found out today puwede pala repair kit or sandpaper or machine shop if may tama).. and replacement na lang natira nakainstall sa akin And I don't want to take chances buying surplus again..

Hmm.. puwede be convert hydraulic rack and pinion ko sa CRV 2004 to Electric rack and pinion para wala na hydraulic and leak problem? Sino marunong mag convert?

Mas masakit sa ulo to convert. In your position i'd probably try my luck again with original surplus unit (these cannot be overhauled?).

[baludoy]

anong meaning ng 'team fd'?

Yun service center ko.. not only hindi sila marunong mag flush ng steering fluid.. hindi rin sila marunong mag bleed ng air sa steering system. I have air in my rack and pinion for 2 days after they put air in the system because of incorrect draining.. sabi nila normal lang yun...

I was googling kanina "can air in rack and pinion cause leak"... ask ko lang (mga people na alam nito).. is there any O-rings or gasket inside the rack and pinion where air can produce metal to gasket contact cutting a hole in the gasket or O-rings? which part inside a rack and pinion can this occur??

kuha ka na lang ng opinyon kanila benmawi auto works bro. i suppose hindi masyado nagkakalayo ang power steering system ng civics at crvs kasi same platform naman sila. besides, lahat naman ng kotse gumagawa sila

like i said before team fd peeps before were pretty satisfied w/ their work.it wouldn't hurt to ask honda experts in these matters at mabigyan ka ng options. as it is mukhang medyo nahihirapan ka makakakuha ng straight answers that'll satisfy you

hanapin mo na lang contact nos nila sa google or maybe facebook

[shadow]

Meron na yatang mga Taiwan replacement
rack and pinion for Hondas. I will go for that kesa overhaul.


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[k_leos]

Meron na yatang mga Taiwan replacement
rack and pinion for Hondas. I will go for that kesa overhaul.


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Bakit ayaw mo overhaul?

Many service centers (including the one in Laguna suggested and even Honda) keep saying if meron na tama.. mag leak kahit new seal.. how true is it? San part exactly yun "tama" na binabangit nila? hindi ma repair sa machine shop?

[yebo]

basta hydraulics konting scratch or wear lang mag leak na. pwede lang overhaul pag in specs pa ang dimensions ng piston rods. magkano ba seal kit ng ps rack and pinion? kung wala ka pa naman budget para palitan ng bago baka tatagal pa naman pag seals replacement lang. that of course depends on if the rods are not scratched or pitted.

try mo pa-rechrome kung talagang wala ka budget. sa may p. tuazon sa cubao, forgot the name of the shop, they do chrome plating.

[maxpedition]

basta hydraulics konting scratch or wear lang mag leak na. pwede lang overhaul pag in specs pa ang dimensions ng piston rods. magkano ba seal kit ng ps rack and pinion? kung wala ka pa naman budget para palitan ng bago baka tatagal pa naman pag seals replacement lang. that of course depends on if the rods are not scratched or pitted.

try mo pa-rechrome kung talagang wala ka budget. sa may p. tuazon sa cubao, forgot the name of the shop, they do chrome plating.

mga gaano katagal kaya chrome plating? they also do bigger rod diameter?

[benchman]

basta hydraulics konting scratch or wear lang mag leak na. pwede lang overhaul pag in specs pa ang dimensions ng piston rods. magkano ba seal kit ng ps rack and pinion? kung wala ka pa naman budget para palitan ng bago baka tatagal pa naman pag seals replacement lang. that of course depends on if the rods are not scratched or pitted.

try mo pa-rechrome kung talagang wala ka budget. sa may p. tuazon sa cubao, forgot the name of the shop, they do chrome plating.

true, ganyan yung naging trouble nung sta fe nung client ng kakilala kong mechanic. nagkaroon ng micro 'bulutong' yung piston ng brake caliper. kabaguhan pa nung sta fe nun kaya wala pa available parts kahit sa casa. order pa daw abroad and it would take so much time at hindi na makapaghintay yun owner.
niliha ng pinong-pino then pina-rechrome na lang muna nung mechanic yun piston. hanggang sa nabenta na yun auto ok pa rin.

chrome dazzler yung nasa p. tuazon iirc.

[yebo]

yun! chrome dazzler! they restore classic car parts and do chrome plating of mags.