Strada PMS thread [ARCHIVED]

[ooba99]

tingin ko doc mas established ang distribution ng mobil 1 dito kesa motul...So im positive inde mawawalan ng supply...

Thanks for the consolation.

Up ko uli yung other question ko, san mura pwede makabili nyang mobil 1?

[av8or5]

mahal talaga ang pag palit ng timing belt natin, tingnan ninyo prtesyo pa lang ng mga tensioner at tension bearing, mas mahal pa kesa sa belt mismo... pero kailangan mo din naman gawin yan kesa maputulan ka ng timing belt at tukuran ka ng barbula, yari ka lalo niyan

Agree ako kay arvin. Wag mo na hintayin until maputulan ka. Mas mahal pa babayarin mo kesa now. If it cost to much, just like one of the posr dito, try el dorado

[numbah5]

Fellow BOSBs! This is an interesting find about engine oils. I stumbled upon this website last night.

http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil%20Tests.pdf

[bigtrak]

Fellow BOSBs! This is an interesting find about engine oils. I stumbled upon this website last night.

http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil%20Tests.pdf

wala ba yung favorite oil brand ko yung turbo xp fully synthetic.

thanks for sharing. magkano ba ang royal purple per litre?

[numbah5]

I got it for P500 per quart c/o of XTO.

[ralph007]

actually sir mukang mas ok nga yung bagong mobil1 kasi may naka label dun sa box na pang 15w40 na application...I saw it dun sa pinost ni JPG111...so technically best of both worlds na yun if I can put that way....5w40 na pang diesel talaga same as the Crdi specific ng motul maybe even better....medyo mahirap lang iexplain dito sa thread yung pang 15w40 application na 5w40 SAE rating.....kahit ako medyo di ko pa totally gets.....thats why I'm reading some more about it.....But lets wait for ninong arvin's reply about it...

napansin ko rin po yan sir at lalo ako naenganyo gamitin ang mobil dahil dito, open pa rin ako for anything which will come up later until my next PMS.

OT lang --- Hi Bongriza, I am from Bataan working in a PetroChemical Plant, located in the first town of Mariveles; it is Barangay Batangas Dos.

Where do you normally stay?

hello sir! we stay with my wife's parents here in brgy. alas-asin in dona nene subd. mariveles malapit lang po ito sa mt. view village.. alam ko po ang petrochem sir malapit lang din po dyan ang residence ng foster parents ko in lamao... do you have permanent residence here in bataan?

Sir LR777, san pwede kumuha ng mobil 1 na yan? Magkano?

Ang pangamba ko, pag naging popular yang mobil 1 na yan baka magkaubusan din ng supply. Nakakadala itong nangyari sa motul, eh.

naloko na sir!pagnagkatotoo ang hakahaka niyo sir malamang magpatentero tayo sa pagpalit ng oil products!!

[locoroco777]

This is an interesting find about engine oils. I stumbled upon this website last night.

http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil%20Tests.pdf

First of all, Im not an engineer nor an expert of some sort, I just base my opinion on facts that are properly published materials on the internet.

So, What I think you posted is already obsolete and is not appropriate as a basis of information at this time...especially on what oil to buy and use, yes it might be a good read back then but its simply does not jive with all the demands of the modern engine now because I believe at that time the commonrail system is not yet widely known or perhaps not even introduced, the same goes I think for the variable valve timing for gasoline engines.

another is that,

the highest API certification issued to a diesel engine oil in that article you posted is CF-2 which is 5 notches lower than the current CJ-4 category and Which I believe the best oil for the commonrail diesel engine should belong to...The other four categories in between are the following:

CF-4(obsolete)
CG-4(obsolete)
CH-4(current)
CI-4(current)

Now, the only 2 brands that I'm aware of that meets the API CJ-4 category is Amsoil and Mobil 1...even Motul isn't certified as a CJ-4 oil heck it isn't even rated for a diesel engine by API which I completely understand because its manufacturer is based in europe wherein they have their own governing body on certifying and standardizing engine oils, which is ACEA....But thats another story...

Also, I got this material from the site of the American Petroleum Institute, This is the list of the certifications that they issue on engine oils and they also included the COLD temperature tolerance of the different grades of the engine oils which I believe can be a big help on choosing the proper engine oil...But i think its only for gasoline fed engines because the 5w40 grade was not included...though I think there wouldn't be much difference with the diesel engine...

Though its written there that we should follow what the manufacturers SAE recommendations are....
But we should always put in mind that the recommended isn't always the best...

http://www.api.org/certifications/en..._March2010.pdf


Now, posting the above link will surely lead to another question with regards to the CJ-4 category oil compatibility on diesel engines that can digest high sulfur content fuels.

Well, My short take on that is if the manufacturers has detuned the vehicle to a level that the usage of the high sulfur content diesel is possible then I can theoretically say that the engine can accommodate the CJ-4 certified oil...


Also to tell you the truth guys, this is not what I really wanted to post...

BTW....Is there anyway I can recover yung mga natype ko pero inde nainput kasi sabi ng system nag expire daw yung token or whatever it is?


kasi I've been writing an ultimately detailed complete with references and figures post since 8pm tapos nung nag click na ko sa post reply biglang lumabas yung token has expired na yun tapos nung binack ko wala na yung 8 thick paragraphs....

Thankfully I somehow remember parts of it hehe....


Oh well I guess too much info isn't meant to be told sometimes...

just my 2 cents...

Oh and another thing just in case you guys want to know the process on how engine oil companies get their certifications from API, you might want to take a look at this 129 page guideline that I've read...=)

http://www.api.org/certifications/en...forprint-2.pdf

[ThePatriarch]

bro LR, galing naman ng research mo

[paolo0803]

Mag 3 years na sya sa March Boss!

Copy.. thanks bro. work horse talaga yang rig mo. Post mo na lang yung cost pag naka pagpalit ka na ng timing belt for BOSB's reference.

[numbah5]

*LR777,
how can you say that the test is obsolete? So you mean to say that the oils that were tested are obsolete? The oils that were tested are still in the market right now, and still have the same formulation right now and 5-7 years ago.

[dBoss]

napansin ko rin po yan sir at lalo ako naenganyo gamitin ang mobil dahil dito, open pa rin ako for anything which will come up later until my next PMS.



hello sir! we stay with my wife's parents here in brgy. alas-asin in dona nene subd. mariveles malapit lang po ito sa mt. view village.. alam ko po ang petrochem sir malapit lang din po dyan ang residence ng foster parents ko in lamao... do you have permanent residence here in bataan?


!!

Familiar ako sa Mt View and Alas-asin bro -- kita tayo minsan ---Laking Sampaloc, Manila ako pero dito na naka pag trabaho. I still go to Manila evry other weekend., By the way, saan ka nag gas up? Ako kasi sa Shell and Petro, the stations near Petron Bataan Refinery.

[ralph007]

Familiar ako sa Mt View and Alas-asin bro -- kita tayo minsan ---Laking Sampaloc, Manila ako pero dito na naka pag trabaho. I still go to Manila evry other weekend., By the way, saan ka nag gas up? Ako kasi sa Shell and Petro, the stations near Petron Bataan Refinery.

sa petron sir sa peninsula malapit sa brgy alangan and sa petron balanga din sir dun lang ako top-up ng diesel PM ko nlng po number ko para makapag usap tayo and send nyo rin sa inyo

[Arvin Cristi]

here's alittle something regarding API grading systems.... pleaease take note that this is copyrgihted 2008, so wala pa sila dito nung CJ rating which is the highest so far. thank you to unitedoil.com.au for sharing this data.:

API ENGINE SERVICE CLASSIFICATIONS

The API system currently includes service classifictions for service stations/spark ignition engines ("S" series), for commercial application/compression ignition engines ("C" series), and for energy conserving engine oil ("EC" series). It is an "open-ended" system which allows for the addition of new designations with little change to existing ones.


C Series

CA - Diesel Engine Service (Obsolete) - Service typical of diesel engines operated in mild to moderate duty with high quality fuels; occasionally has included gasoline engines in mild service. Oils designed for this service provide protection from bearing corrosion and ring-belt deposits in some naturally aspirated diesel engines when using fuels of such quality that they impose no unusual requirements for wear and deposits protection. They were widely used in the 1940s and 1950s but should not be used in any engine unless specifically recommended by the equipment manufacturer.

CB - Diesel Engine Service (Obsolete) - Service typical of diesel engines operated in mild to moderate duty, but with lower quality fuels, which necessitate more protection from wear and deposits; occasionally has included gasoline engines in mild service. Oils designed for this service were introduced in 1949. They provide necessary protection from bearing corrosion and from high temperature deposits in naturally aspirated diesel engines with higher sulfur fuels.

CC - Diesel Engine Service (Obsolete) - Service typical of certain naturally aspirated, turbocharged or supercharged diesel engines operated in moderate to severe-duty service, and certain heavy-duty gasoline engines. Oils designed for this service provide protection from bearing corrosion, rust, corrosion and from high to low temperature deposits in gasoline engines. They were introduced in 1961.

CD - Diesel Engine Service (Obsolete) - Service typical of certain naturally aspirated, turbocharged or supercharged diesel engines where highly effective control of wear and deposits is vital, or when using fuels with a wide quality range (including high-sulfur fuels). Oils designed for this service were introduced in 1955 and provide protection from high temperature deposits and bearing corrosion in these diesel engines.

CD-II - Severe-Duty Two-Stroke Cycle Diesel Engine Service (Obsolete) - Service typical of two-stroke cycle diesel engines requiring highly effective control of wear and deposits. Oils designed for this service also meet all performance requirements of API Service Category CD.

CE - 1983 Diesel Engine Service (Obsolete) - Service typical of certain turbocharged or supercharged heavy-duty diesel engines, manufactured since 1983 and operated under both low speed, high load and high speed, high load conditions. Oils designed for this service may also be used when API Service Category CD is recommended.

CF-4 - 1990 Diesel Engine Service - Service typical of high speed, four-stroke cycle diesel engines. API CF-4 oils exceed the requirements for the API CE category, providing improved control of oil consumption and piston deposits. These oils should be used in place of API CE oils. They are particularly suited for on-highway, heavy-duty truck applications. When combined with the appropriate S category, they can also be used in gasoline and diesel powered personal vehicles i.e., passenger cars, light trucks and vans when recommended by the vehicle or engine manufacturer.

CF - Indirect-Injected Diesel Engine Service - Service typical of indirect-injection diesel engines and other diesel engines that use a broad range of fuel types, including those using fuel with high sulfur content; for example, over 0.5% wt. Effective control of piston deposits, wear and copper-containing bearing corrosion is essential for these engines, which may be naturally aspirated, turbocharged or supercharged. Oils designated for this service have been in existence since 1994 and may be used when API Service Category CD is recommended.

CF-2 - Severe-Duty Two-Stroke Cycle Diesel Engine Service (Obsolete) - Service typical of two-stroke cycle diesel engines requiring highly effective control over cylinder and ring-face scuffing and deposits. Oils designed for this service have been in existence since 1994 and may be used when API Service Category CD-II is recommended. These oils do not necessarily meet the requirements of API CF or CF-4 unless they pass the test requirements for these categories.

CG-4 - 1994 Severe-Duty Diesel Engine Service - This category describes oils for use in high speed four-stroke-cycle diesel engines used in both heavy-duty on-highway(0.05% wt sulfur fuel) and off-highway (less than 0.5% wt sulfur fuel) applications. CG-4 oils provide effective control over high temperature piston deposits, wear, corrosion, foaming, oxidation stability, and soot accumulation. These oils are specially effective in engines designed to meet 1994 exhaust emission standards and may also be used in engines requiring API Service Categories CD, CE, and CF-4. Oils designed for this service have been in existence since 1994.

CH-4 Severe-Duty Diesel Engine Service - This service oils are suitable for high speed, four-stroke diesel engines designed to meet 1998 exhaust emission standards and are specifically compounded for use with diesel fuels ranging in sulfur content up to 0.5% weight. CH-4 oils are superior in performance to those meeting API CF-4 and API CG-4 and can effectively lubricate engines calling for those API Service Categories.

CI-4 - 2002 - Severe-Duty Diesel Engine Service - The CI-4 performance requirements describe oils for use in those high speed, four-stroke cycle diesel engines designed to meet 2004 exhaust emission standards, to be implemented October 2002. These oils are compounded for use in all applications with diesel fuels ranging in sulfur content up to 0.05% by weight. These oils are especially effective at sustaining engine durability where Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) and other exhaust emission componentry may be used. Optimum protection is provided for control of corrosive wear tendencies, low and high temperature stability, soot handling properties, piston deposit control, valve train wear, oxidative thickening, foaming and viscosity loss due to shear. CI-4 oils are superior in performance to those meeting API CH-4, CG-4 and CF-4 and can effectively lubricate engines calling for those API Service Categories.

CI-4 Plus - 2004 - Used in comjunction with API CI-4, the " CI-4 PLUS" designation identifies oils formulated to provide a higher level of protection against soot-related viscosity increase and viscosity loss due to shear in diesel engines. Like Energy Conserving, CI-4 PLUS appears in the lower portion of the API Service Symbol "Donut."

[Arvin Cristi]

just received a reply from my uncle based in california who works for a heavy construction company there, and they have very favorable comments on the mobil1 heavy duty turbo diesel truck oil. they are currently in the process of disposing of their old castrol oil stocks and wswitching to the mobil1 brand. take note that they are also going to use this particular oil on their heavy machineries. so this is a very good news well for me, as far as i am concerned.... hehehehehe

[traker]

Just had my 60K oil change at speedyfix using royal purple 15w-40 with API Service CJ-4/SM classification. The oil costs 550/liter and needed 7. The oil filter (Vic brand costed 700). I also bought an extra liter for top-up purposes. Total cost is P5400 including the 300 labor charge. By the way, for those looking for motul, there is still stock at true value trinoma costing 2999.75 per gallon.

[KCboy]

had my 10,000kms pms this morning, out of the casa. ill risk it....

8liters of mobil1 synthetic oil 500/liter 4,000pesos
oil filter for 4m41 original thailang mitsubishi, 650pesos
labor 200pesos
rotate alltires 150pesos

total 5,000pesos.

i intend to change evry 5,000kms even if i am using fully synthetic.

i do a lot of city driving and stop,go in traffic jams here in downtown manila.

[locoroco777]

*LR777,
how can you say that the test is obsolete? So you mean to say that the oils that were tested are obsolete? The oils that were tested are still in the market right now, and still have the same formulation right now and 5-7 years ago.

Well, if you read the article you posted comprehensively...the highest rating given for the gasoline category is SL which was first given out 2004 but still in current circulation right now, which I can understand because theres not much difference or should I say theres No new revolutionizing technology that has higher lubricating requirements unlike with the commonrail technology in the diesel engine scene. infact its only difference with the highest rated oil today for gas engines which is the SM is that it has

improved oxidation resistance, improved deposit protection, better wear protection, and better low-temperature performance

also introduced in the same year 2004....and for the diesel category, its CF2 which is labeled obsolete by the API and which is said to only be suitable for two stroke engines as indicated here---->http://www.api.org/certifications/en..._March2010.pdf which I already posted above....

and if your asking if I think the oils in that article you posted is obsolete,
I want to expound on that....YES I do and I do not...

I do not, because for the gasoline engine oil category most of the oils in that article is still in current production and sale....within the SL and SJ certification...

and I do, because with regards to the diesel engine category none of it even meets the lowest certification today which is CH-4 and worse, it is even two levels behind it...

Now, if you are wondering why you can still see the same oil brands and grades in the market, because they have REFORMULATED those oils to comply with modern engine demands especially on diesel engines and to the API certification and licensing system....So technically it is not right to say that the current oils that is on sale today from those brands has the same formulation way back when that article was published...

just received a reply from my uncle based in california who works for a heavy construction company there, and they have very favorable comments on the mobil1 heavy duty turbo diesel truck oil. they are currently in the process of disposing of their old castrol oil stocks and wswitching to the mobil1 brand. take note that they are also going to use this particular oil on their heavy machineries. so this is a very good news well for me, as far as i am concerned.... hehehehehe

ninong arvs, ask ko lang, san sa california yung uncle mo? dun ba sa mainit or malamig na part? hehehe

[ejaydq]

nakakaloka ang hahaba ng post wala ako maintindihan.. papaturo nga ako sa inyo pag nagkita tayo. wahehe..

i never thought oils could be so much of an issue.. yung bingigay ba ng kasa sa atin not good enough or for its price?

[paolo0803]

nakakaloka ang hahaba ng post wala ako maintindihan.. papaturo nga ako sa inyo pag nagkita tayo. wahehe..

i never thought oils could be so much of an issue.. yung bingigay ba ng kasa sa atin not good enough or for its price?

Correct... hirap talaga pag di masyadong techie sa mga oils.

buti n lang nandyan mga experts LR and Arvin. Kung ano most recommended, dun tayo.

[dBoss]

sa petron sir sa peninsula malapit sa brgy alangan and sa petron balanga din sir dun lang ako top-up ng diesel PM ko nlng po number ko para makapag usap tayo and send nyo rin sa inyo

Ayos -- Since the Oconer owned Petron(in fron of the Peninsula School) gets their product directly from Petron Bataan Refinery via pipeline, I hope na malinis ang fuel natin

I got your mobile number, will SMS you after office work - mobile phones are not allowed in our process area, it is deposited at the guard house -- for safety reason.

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Back on Topic: Haba na ng usapan langis. learning a lot though, wait and see mode muna ako sa mga expert, basa basa na lang muna ako sa January pa naman ako mag pa PM.