Globe moves to cap Internet data volume

[froshie1]

Well ganun talaga eh.. Nangyari diyan, the caps of yesteryears eh hindi na pupwede sa demand ngayon.

Peeps, caps are already in place before pa. Di lang alam ng ordinary user ito. Without the caps, impossible ng makabrowse man lang. Remember, bandwidth is a finite resource. The mere fact that you're subscribe to X number of megabits eh cap na iyon. And within that X number of megabits may caps pa na ginagawa yan. Let me explain kung ano ibig sabihin ko dito..

Let say sa isang 1megabit connection..

Youtube - 10kbps lang.
Port 80 or browsing - 20kbps
*******s - 30kbps-40kbps
Emails - 5kbps
and so on and so forth..

Naka cap yan or better known as traffic shaping sa mga ISPs ng hindi nyo lang nalalaman.

Caps will make our connections reliable. Why? Because it will enable the ISPs to allocate more efficiently the finite bandwidth to its subscribers. Getting a lot of international gateway and bandwidth won't work if caps are not present. Simply because bandwidth purchased outside is also a limited resource.

Network abusers ang tatamaan dito but if they want some more then they just have to pay more.

[froshie1]

Btw, kahit ano pang ISP yan sa kahit anong bansa. May traffic shaping yan. Iyon nga lang mas mataba ang bandwidth nila kaysa sa sa atin.. pero again, gaano man kataba ang bandwidth eh finite resource pa rin ito kaya kailangan i-cap or i-shape.

[ghosthunter]

"Traffic shaping" is just a invented term to replace bandwidth throttling.

With bandwidth throttling, the ISP limited your data download/upload speeds. Just is similar to turning a valve on your water hose to slow down the rate of water flowing through it.

But with the data cap, it is now like the ISP giving you a bucket to place at the end of the hose. Once your bucket is full, your water supply is cut off.

Internet bandwidth is a finite resource in terms that you can only "flow" so much at one time. But the total volume amount of data can be infinite. So why resort to data capping when the problem is flow at certain times of day?

In fact the problem is peak loading which seems to be between 5pm and 10pm at night. Isn't that because people go home and use their internet for their legitimate uses? Just the sheer number of subscribers is the problem. The ISP has over-subscribed their resource beyond it's capacity to deliver promised bandwidth.

The usual scapegoat is the illegal downloader, much like the old scapegoat of PLDT of the tele-babad user of their old analog phone lines clogging up the system. It is just an excuse NOT to upgrade their system to meet up with the user/subscriber service demand on their system.

[Ry_Tower]

"Traffic shaping" is just a invented term to replace bandwidth throttling.

The usual scapegoat is the illegal downloader, much like the old scapegoat of PLDT of the tele-babad user of their old analog phone lines clogging up the system. It is just an excuse NOT to upgrade their system to meet up with the user/subscriber service demand on their system.

Nadali mo! Traffic flow capacity problem pero volume tinitira nila. Hindi na talaga kaya ng system nila yung madaming users. Old tech pa ksai ibang gamit nila. Tignan mo wimax, new technology na kapag sinabi na 80 users can use at the same time, 80 users talaga dahil dedicated. Yung 3G naman kasi dami magkaagaw dyan, calls, text and internet use for example.

Limit the subscribers para kahit medyo mabagal kung sabay-sabay, pero nakakagamit pa rin. Hindi yung may limit sa volume.

[kinyo]

Limit the subscribers ...

"that would be inconsistent with GREED", says ISP

[ghosthunter]

Nadali mo! Traffic flow capacity problem pero volume tinitira nila. Hindi na talaga kaya ng system nila yung madaming users. Old tech pa ksai ibang gamit nila. Tignan mo wimax, new technology na kapag sinabi na 80 users can use at the same time, 80 users talaga dahil dedicated. Yung 3G naman kasi dami magkaagaw dyan, calls, text and internet use for example.

Limit the subscribers para kahit medyo mabagal kung sabay-sabay, pero nakakagamit pa rin. Hindi yung may limit sa volume.

They don't want to limit subscribers because that is money in the bank for them. They want to blame people download illegal stuff because it's easy to blame such and such because they know these "illegal" people will not speak out to defend themselves even if they have subscribed to more expensive professional or business level internet accounts.

Example, I download *******s at home. My ISP account is a "professional" level account meaning I pay more than twice the internet price as my brother does who only have a basic account. In return, I get more bandwidth than my brother. But with this,... I will be made like a bad guy by my ISP even if I am paying more for my bandwidth.

[denki3269]

Dami pa sinasabi pera Lang naman ang habol.. Porket mas in demand na ang Internet for fb, twitter, bbm, facetime, etc on cellphones and iPhones/iPods/iPads. Kay sa texting and calling...

[Haruto]

hay. sa smartbro-ken, last october pa ata nagsimula yan, kasi dati pwede ako mag online games/browse, download ng sabay sabay. pero since october once nagdownload ka, patay ka na, sorry na lang wala ka na iba magagawa, tapos yung download speed mo pa sobrang bagay, 3kbps (maswerte na ko kapag naka 30kbps)? walang hiya yan. ilang taon pa matatapos yun?

[Ry_Tower]

Dami pa sinasabi pera Lang naman ang habol.. Porket mas in demand na ang Internet for fb, twitter, bbm, facetime, etc on cellphones and iPhones/iPods/iPads. Kay sa texting and calling...

Nakakabawas talaga yan sa kita nila sa call & text kaya siyempre, isip sila ng paraan para makabawi.

[ghosthunter]

Btw, kahit ano pang ISP yan sa kahit anong bansa. May traffic shaping yan. Iyon nga lang mas mataba ang bandwidth nila kaysa sa sa atin.. pero again, gaano man kataba ang bandwidth eh finite resource pa rin ito kaya kailangan i-cap or i-shape.

In other countries, the bandwidth the ISP provides is ten times bigger than what we have here.

Internet bandwidth is a limited flow issue, not a limited data volume issue. So why limit the volume?

[CVT]

May mga lean hours naman iyan,- so dapat magamit din iyon, di ba? Else, lost capacity/volume na iyon....

12.7K:fart1:

[ghosthunter]

May mga lean hours naman iyan,- so dapat magamit din iyon, di ba? Else, lost capacity/volume na iyon....

12.7K:fart1:

Wag! ... that's when we online gamers enjoy the best connection speeds.

[CVT]

Kaya nga bro.GH,- magamit ang capacity,- ipagamit sa mga online gamers...

12.7K:fart1:

[Monseratto]

Why don't they go after those with OpenVPN and FBT/UBT cracks?

[froshie1]

In other countries, the bandwidth the ISP provides is ten times bigger than what we have here.

Internet bandwidth is a limited flow issue, not a limited data volume issue. So why limit the volume?

Caps and shaping are all the same. Shaping a network traffic is basically putting a cap on how much speed should be allocated on a specific port or an application that transmits data at a given time. Limiting the traffic basically limits the data being transmitted in a given time. Without caps, network users will be having a hard time transmitting data from point a to point b and vice versa. The reason why you can still post here in tsikot is because your ISP has caps all over the place (even before this "issue" has been raised in the national level tagal ng meron nyan).

Limiting the volume will enable the provider to manage their resources better. Other countries have bandwidth ten times bigger than we have here because 1.) either their govt sponsored their infra (e.g. SK) 2.) they are the main destination of http and other web content requests (e.g. US of A). Those 2 are sustainable business models especially number 2, since there's a business demand to have such an infra capacity. Eh Pinas doesn't have any of the 2. We are more of a consumer than a producer. Don't you notice that even local contents are being hosted where?? You guessed it right, in the US of A. Buying huge amounts of bandwidth (IP transits) won't be feasible either why, eh hindi naman kasi tayo puntahan ng mga web visitors eh LOL. The market is not that serious and mature enough to sustain such infra. 1 is sustainable for as long as there's no rampant corruption.

Caps, shaping, bandwidth management as I said has been in existence since day 1 of the ISPs operation. Kahit saang ISP pa yan meron yan. Canada, AUS and US have their traffics being shaped and capped.

[12vdc]

Baka ang ibig sabihin ni froshie1, by implementing bandwidth cap the data volume will also be limited. For example 1 subscriber is entitled only for 1 bucket of water per day, one way to achieve this is by limiting the rate of flow (bandwidth/througput).

Ang masama nyan kung maliit ang data volume that will be allocated per subscriber.. PAg ganito ang mangyayari lugi ang residential dahil iipitin ng husto at baka up to CIR na lang ibigay at wala nang burst speed.

Tama, money making scheme yan ng Telco hindi na kasi kumikita sa voice so kelangan pigain ang data.. Solution, sa office nalang mag internet walang cap ang corporate account.. or pakabit ka ng fiber na STM1 internet access sa bahay..

[froshie1]

Baka ang ibig sabihin ni froshie1, by implementing bandwidth cap the data volume will also be limited. For example 1 subscriber is entitled only for 1 bucket of water per day, one way to achieve this is by limiting the rate of flow (bandwidth/througput).

Tama. And as I said it has already been in place since day 1 of operations ng isang ISP kahit saang bansa ka pa.

Ang masama nyan kung maliit ang data volume that will be allocated per subscriber.. PAg ganito ang mangyayari lugi ang residential dahil iipitin ng husto at baka up to CIR na lang ibigay at wala nang burst speed.

Change provider whenever possible. PLDT for now doesn't have any strict caps or shaping.

CIR on a residential plan? Hehehe. That doesn't exist my friend. Do you know that a guaranteed CIR of 256kbps runs from $600-$1000 a month? Baka mali pa nga ako eh pagkakatanda ko 64kbps pa iyon but they may have lowered their price nowadays.

A guaranteed CIR means every time you use your internet the throughput of data is your subscribed speed. So kung may CIR ka na 256kbps, every second yan 256 ang ibibigay nyan.

Residential plans walang CIR yan. All are bursting up to your subscribed plan only. So example in my case I'm on a 3mbps residential plan of PLDT, iyong 3mbps na yan bursting lang yan up to 3mbps, makakuha na ako ng 2.5mbps ok na iyon. umabot ng 3mbps yan iyong burst. lumagpas ka man ng 3mbps swerte na iyon.

Tama, money making scheme yan ng Telco hindi na kasi kumikita sa voice so kelangan pigain ang data.. Solution, sa office nalang mag internet walang cap ang corporate account.. or pakabit ka ng fiber na STM1 internet access sa bahay..

Ang pagkaka-cap sa corporate account ay kung ano lang iyong binayaran mong pipe. Let say naka 2mbps CIR ka. Iyong buong 2mbps pipe iyong iyo iyon.. Now if you're a network administrator, ikaw na ang bahala kung paano mo i-aallocate iyong pipe mo (aka capping or shaping) so that hindi magkaron ng denial of service sa ibang web traffic.

[CVT]

Noticed that in the past few days, my Globelines download speed is just 2/3 of what it's used to be (rated) for my account....

Could be this cap(?)....

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[ghosthunter]

Caps and shaping are all the same. Shaping a network traffic is basically putting a cap on how much speed should be allocated on a specific port or an application that transmits data at a given time. Limiting the traffic basically limits the data being transmitted in a given time. Without caps, network users will be having a hard time transmitting data from point a to point b and vice versa. The reason why you can still post here in tsikot is because your ISP has caps all over the place (even before this "issue" has been raised in the national level tagal ng meron nyan).

Limiting the volume will enable the provider to manage their resources better. Other countries have bandwidth ten times bigger than we have here because 1.) either their govt sponsored their infra (e.g. SK) 2.) they are the main destination of http and other web content requests (e.g. US of A). Those 2 are sustainable business models especially number 2, since there's a business demand to have such an infra capacity. Eh Pinas doesn't have any of the 2. We are more of a consumer than a producer. Don't you notice that even local contents are being hosted where?? You guessed it right, in the US of A. Buying huge amounts of bandwidth (IP transits) won't be feasible either why, eh hindi naman kasi tayo puntahan ng mga web visitors eh LOL. The market is not that serious and mature enough to sustain such infra. 1 is sustainable for as long as there's no rampant corruption.

Caps, shaping, bandwidth management as I said has been in existence since day 1 of the ISPs operation. Kahit saang ISP pa yan meron yan. Canada, AUS and US have their traffics being shaped and capped.

And people have been complaining about the data-cap in all those countries, example: the UK. It hampers growth in internet based services, especially for entertainment based services which include video on demand, online music, etc.

Sky Internet has offered a special service where you have a 15GB data allowance per to view their videos on demand. But that would mean you can only watch six to eight high definition videos at most IF you were to use the bandwidth only for videos. Add your regular internet usage, you would probably be looking a five or less videos a month.

[pup2]

Obviously, this move is meant to fatten the ISPs wallets whatever is the method they use. Para mas madaming subscriber kahit parehas lang ang capacity nila.

Using that logic, there is only 1 way to stop it. People should UNSUBSCRIBE from whichever ISP throttles their bandwidth the most and patronize the one which throttles back the least.

Sa mga may premium plan naman kuno na wala namang CIF, mag upgrade na o kaya naman mag downgrade ng plan. Either way, the ISP who throttles their bandwidth the most should lose market share.