ATTN: computer cafe/shop owners

[flakez]

nakita ko lang sa pcx forum

mag raraid daw sa sept 16 ung microsoft at pnp ng shops to check kung licensed ung windows na gamit.

http://www.pcx.com.ph/forum/display_...PagePosition=1

[boybi]

pano kung hindi ka magopen ng shop mo on sept 16? pwede ba silang mag forced entry sa shop mo?

[flakez]

oo nga noh. hehehe.

hindi ko lang sure. na news daw to sa inquirer. baka may link diyan pa-post naman....

[EL Chicane]

Unless na meron silang search warrant na tinutukoy mismo yung pangalan ng shop mo na ire-raid. Pero kung wala namang search warrant, malamang maghahanap lang sila ng mga "caught-in-the-act" na mga shops kaya pag ganun ang diskarte nila, ligtas yung shop mo kung nakasara.

[oldblue]

oplan crackdown ata ang tawag nila dito, nabasa ko sa dyaryo NBI+OMB+BSA+PNP.


pero nde lang i-cafe ang naka-indicate, pati call centers, telecommunications, lahat ng biz na may computers, in fact pati yun mga RTW sa malls na may POS na gumagamit ng MS OS.

[chieffy]

yup nabasa ko na rin iyan sa The Phil. Star Business Section noong August 17, 2005...tama si oldblue, di lang internet cafe target nito kundi pati mga big companies...

sa palagay nyo sino mas uunahin nila? yung maliiit na shops or yung mga big companies na mahihirapan sila?... meron kasi isang napakalaging financial insitution dito sa atin na di pa licensed mga OS nila pero kapag narinig mo family name ng may ari eh mahihirapan ang NBI, PNP, Phil Anti-Piracy Team at Optical Media Board na banggain ito....

[ozcity]

yup nabasa ko na rin iyan sa The Phil. Star Business Section noong August 17, 2005...tama si oldblue, di lang internet cafe target nito kundi pati mga big companies...

sa palagay nyo sino mas uunahin nila? yung maliiit na shops or yung mga big companies na mahihirapan sila?... meron kasi isang napakalaging financial insitution dito sa atin na di pa licensed mga OS nila pero kapag narinig mo family name ng may ari eh mahihirapan ang NBI, PNP, Phil Anti-Piracy Team at Optical Media Board na banggain ito....

sarap talaga sa pinas pag may KAKILALA at MAYAMAN...hehehehehe

[akuma]

yup, its true... magkaka-raid daw sa sept 16. pero uunahin daw mga internet cafe...
pero may proposal na daw ang mga internet cafe owners na payagan na ang 1 orig OS to 10 computers...(1:10) para di naman sila mahirapan... i dont know kung papayag ang microsoft... may hinihingi yata silang numbers of internet cafe to sign up sa proposal na yun... mga 3000 shops ata dapat ang pumirma...

[ghosthunter]

There was a meeting for shop owners, area shop owner federation representatives, reps from mobius, level-up, trantra, etc today...

I'll post stuff as they publish to us.

[111prez]

hmmmm, may mga kilala pa naman ako sa BSA.

when i was still in a law firm, i also worked with the IP division and we did conduct raids on counterfeit retailers and manufacturers. kaya lang at that time, puro trademark infringement cases involving lacoste, sony, general electric, to name a few

[bad driver]

why not just pay for the software since pinagkakakitaan naman nila yan?! I understand piracy for home use (tho it IS still wrong) pero kapal naman ng mukha pati sa negosyo.

pag may nahuli ka na nagnakaw sa bahay mo, tama ba na makipagnegosasyon pa sya at humiling na hindi na ibalik lahat ng mga ninakaw?

[ghosthunter]

the problem is microsoft did not consult any of the affected sectos regarding legalizing nor did they publish options on how you can purchase their softwares.

In thailand, I heard microsoft released a "starter kit" Windows edition which costs only US$40. Why not also do that here?

[hybrid]

You can close your shop so that they won't be able to go in, parehas ng bir. The problem is yung raid hindi naman sept 16 lang, yun yung start date ng raid nila.
I think microsoft is planning to produce a package for 5-10 computers, it will be cheaper than buying individual pack but it won't that cheap na parang 10:1

[ghosthunter]

if MS introduces a licensing agreement of 5:1... I'm all for it. The problem is MS did not publish anything regarding pricing, options, etc to the affected people nor to any media outlets in general. Even their dealers and retailers didn't even know of the upcoming raids until shop owners started inquiries.

[bad driver]

If you can't be honest, then atleast be discreet.

If there is no special agreement struck, it is assumed that you pay the full retail price. If there is no fixed retail price as you've mentioned, does that give us the license to not pay at all? In HK and in the states, 5-6 k pa rin ang home edition.

If it's cheaper in one country, then magreklamo pero IN THE MEANTIME, pay or switch to linux or something.

This is not something to be posted in open forums- things that promote dishonest business practices.

[hybrid]

It's true that microsoft didn't announce it to computer store owners, kasi pati store owners target din nila, since a lot of shops install pirated windows to customers who buy new PCs, or have their pc/hdd serviced. Like us we have a shop but learned about the pending raid sa news sa tv lang. although it's partially good that they've announce it ahead of time, at people can prepare.
Actually the price of windows is reasonable for P5k+ but the killer is ms office P16-18k.

[chieffy]

i use Open Office para sa spreadsheet and word processor...tama na sa akin yung nag invest ako sa licensed MS OS per pc...ayoko nang dumugo ang aking bulsa... ]

do we really have to put the stickers sa cpu?

ginawa ko kasi i scanned the sticker, deleted a few characters, wrote that they can verify the original atsaka ko idinikit sa cpu...dami kasing malikot ang kamay na customers dito sa lugar ko at baka kunin lan g ang sticker kapag di nakatingin ang bantay...

[badkuk]

meron namang ms office small business edition...around 10-11k lang. bale excel and word lang included.

meron bang former member ng AMDG dito? somebody once told me na me controversy dati involving netopia...

[chieffy]

badkuk pang 1 pc lang ba iyon? if yes mabigat pa rin he he...sa Open Office medyo hirap mag adjust mga customers ko pero sa katagalan nasanay din sila...

[badkuk]

yup, 1 pc OEM lang un. kung simpleng doc lang naman kayang kaya na ng open office...di ko pa natatry ung more advanced features ng Calc though.