usapang 2009 F1 season

**niky** · March 19th, 2009 03:40 PM

The points system doesn't cause the lack of overtaking... it's the cars themselves.

They're too perfect. Too much aerogrip, too balanced a torque curve, too many gears (which keep them at peak power much longer).

The lack of overtaking is what the technical group was already handling with the new aero regulations and the KERS system... which is an expensive, heavy, and complicated way to give teams a "power boost" for overtaking (CART used to do it with a turbo overboost system... it was even more fun because it had the potential to grenade the engine).

With the new aero-regs and slick tires, cornering will be more difficult, and overtaking might be easier (we'll see in Melbourne).

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See, if you're eyeing only the top spot, and you're sat back in 18th because of a blow-out in qualifying... would you risk it all to make your way up to 8th, knowing that you're not in the running for the all important championship "medal"?

If they want consistency, here's a thought. Make it "right minus wrong". For every 5 seconds behind the race winner a car is... minus 1 point...

Winner gets ten points. Second gets 9. But if he's over 5 seconds behind... 8... over 10 seconds, 7... and so on. If you're 45 seconds behind, you get zero points, whether you're in 3rd or 18th. And if you're over 45 seconds behind, you get negative points...

**batangmahal** · March 19th, 2009 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by niky

If they want consistency, here's a thought. Make it "right minus wrong". For every 5 seconds behind the race winner a car is... minus 1 point...

Winner gets ten points. Second gets 9. But if he's over 5 seconds behind... 8... over 10 seconds, 7... and so on. If you're 45 seconds behind, you get zero points, whether you're in 3rd or 18th. And if you're over 45 seconds behind, you get negative points...

how about implementing what they do in cycling races... bonus times? in f1 case, bonus points?

or probably accumulated race times?

**CVT** · March 19th, 2009 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by tidus1203

Well if you dominate like MS-Ferrari did in the early part of this decade then you truly deserve to be champion. I mean one can only become champion past the mid-way point of a season (assuming you have won every single race until that point) with this new rule. If your opponents still can;t find an answer mid season with your dominance then its fair for you to be called champion.

Agree on the championship. But the audience will disappear after those few races.

Or after half of the races in the season, as you stated. However, this is not the historical performance of the teams, based on the results of the past few seasons.....

7707:band:

**niky** · March 20th, 2009 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by CVT

Agree on the championship. But the audience will disappear after those few races.

Or after half of the races in the season, as you stated. However, this is not the historical performance of the teams, based on the results of the past few seasons.....

7707:band:

Yup. The past few seasons have seen the team in front falter near the end. See Renault. They win at first because they have the handling sorted, then halfway through, their lead disappears as Ferrari's better engines come into play. They won their last one by a squeaker.

The Ferrari-McLaren battles... McLaren strong at first, then falters... or Ferrari strong at first, then falters...

With the furious rate of development, you can never be sure that the strongest team at the start will be anywhere near the strongest at the end.

OH... and the drivers have spoken. Some hate it... others are unsure but hate the fact that the FIA are diddling around with the rules so much.

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...19085209.shtml
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...19161928.shtml
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...18165516.shtml

**jeff1101** · March 21st, 2009 08:02 PM

Valid points all. Just to add some few comments of my own, From the practice sessions, seems like Brawn GP has the pace (if practice times are relevant come actual race day)

Also although I agree that the points system currently being proposed looks ridiculous, it is sometimes nice to mix it up from time to time just to topple the established pecking order and prevent one team (who might have a dominant advantage by mastering a long established rule system) from winning races again and again and making the season boring.

However, I still agree with the scenario mentioned (using the new rules) that one team might be decided the winner before the season ever finishes.

**niky** · March 22nd, 2009 02:14 PM

Good news!

The F1 Team Association has issued a straight up challenge to the rule... apparently, you can't announce a scoring rule change later than November of the previous year...without the unanimous consent of the teams.

And the FOTA have given their unanimous dissent.
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...20164731.shtml

The FIA have retracted the rule, and are laying all the blame on Bernie Ecclestone... yeah... right. :hysterical:
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre...f1_points.aspx

**CVT** · March 22nd, 2009 04:07 PM

Whew! Do I smell something burning?.....

7707:band:

**tidus1203** · April 16th, 2009 12:50 AM

The controversial diffusers are NOW LEGAL said the FIA. So no impediment for Brawn, Toyota and Williams. The others will now have to develop their own diffusers...

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...-confirms-fia/