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    Now, it's Renault's turn. Hearing will be on the 6th of December.

    IMO, McLaren is doing this " to seek a clarification of the regulations in light of evidence submitted " and "to provide the unsolicited welcoming party for their beloved FA over at Renault"......

    from: www.itv-f1.com


    McLaren raises stakes in Renault-gate
    Friday, 23, November, 2007, 04:05

    McLaren has raised the stakes in Formula 1’s latest spying controversy by claiming that Renault gained a “clear benefit and unfair advantage” from leaked technical secrets.

    A briefing document seen by ITV-F1.com reveals details of evidence McLaren has submitted to the FIA, which – if proved correct – suggests Renault’s involvement in the affair may have been far more extensive than was originally understood.

    According to the briefing, McLaren alleges in its submission to the sport’s governing body that its former engineer Phil Mackereth loaded 33 files, containing more than 780 individual drawings, onto Renault’s computer system.

    The memo claims this information amounted to “the entire technical blueprint of McLaren’s 2006 and 2007 cars”.

    The Woking team alleges that these files, contained on 11 floppy disks, were uploaded onto 11 Renault company computers and were discussed by up to 18 team personnel, including what it called the 'Renault seven' – senior engineering chiefs and heads of department, among them chief designer Tim Densham.

    ITV-F1.com has learned that McLaren’s solicitors, Baker McKenzie, argue in their submission to the FIA that the team’s confidential design information was “knowingly, deliberately and widely disseminated and discussed within the Renault F1 design and engineering team, thereby providing them with a clear benefit and unfair advantage.”

    Renault will answer charges of possessing intellectual property belonging to McLaren – in breach of Article 151c of F1’s International Sporting Code – at a hearing of the FIA World Motor Sport Council on December 6.

    When McLaren was found guilty of possessing confidential Ferrari information (coincidentally a 780-page dossier) it was disqualified from the 2007 constructors’ championship and fined $100 million.

    Although the WMSC found McLaren guilty of a breach of Article 151c, it initially did not impose a penalty due to “insufficient evidence” that the team had benefited from Ferrari secrets – but dramatically revised its verdict when new evidence came to light.

    It justified the ensuing penalty on the grounds that McLaren’s breach was much more serious than originally thought, even though it was still unable to prove the team had copied Ferrari designs or profited from the data.

    Two weeks ago Renault made a robust public defence of its position and confidently predicted it would be acquitted over the issue.

    Renault has never sought to hide the fact that Mackereth brought McLaren data with him when he joined the Enstone-based team and had it transferred to his computer at Renault – but the team is adamant that this was done “without the knowledge of anyone in authority”.

    Renault also revealed in its November 9 statement that Mackereth showed “some” of the team’s engineers “a few reduced scale engineering drawings” of the internal layout of the fuel tank, the basic layout of the gear clusters, a tuned mass damper and a suspension damper.

    But the Anglo-French squad states that none of this information was used to influence its car design and says this is confirmed by witness statements from the engineers involved.

    The WMSC showed in its handling of the McLaren spy scandal in September that it considers the amount of leaked data possessed and how widely it was disseminated to be relevant when assessing breaches of Article 151c.

    ITV-F1.com also understands that McLaren has complained to Renault’s solicitors (Withers) that senior Renault personnel have treated the investigation in a “cavalier” manner and given incomplete or misleading information in written correspondence.

    McLaren is expected to contend at the December hearing that there are discrepancies between a statement Mackereth supplied to his own solicitors and a previous witness statement he gave to Renault about how far the McLaren information seeped into the Enstone organisation.

    Renault suspended Mackereth once it was alerted to the existence of the floppy disks, returned the disks to McLaren and deleted all the information from its computers.

    It has maintained throughout the affair that it has nothing to hide and has cooperated fully with both McLaren and the FIA throughout their investigations.
    4606:rock:

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    ano ba yan di na natapos!

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    The decision has been released.

    Talk about being one sided...

    Although I admire Renault as a team and believe that ultimately they did not use prior knowledge of Mclaren secrets to gain an advantage (just look at their performance this year) they were still found guilty of breaching the sporting code and should have been punished. (What that punishment is, well thats up in the air)

    Thats the problem with throwing harsh rulings like what they did to Mclaren. The FIA creates a dangerous precedent and soon Mclaren will now start accusing other teams and comparing the decisions handed with those of their own. In the end more questions are raised than ever before and what a sorry mess everyone ends up with.

    My select quote from the grandprix.com editorial.

    One thing we do know for certain is that the two decisions taken feature completely different attitudes towards the teams in question with one being given the benefit of the doubt at every turn and the other being doubted at every turn and indeed ruled to have been doing something wrong based on no real evidence. Why was that?

    http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19919.html

    http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19920.html

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    Thanks for sharing bro. I missed the date....

    Anyway, based on the link you provided I have quoted the "decision"

    11. Decision
    11.1. For the foregoing reasons, the WMSC:
    11.1.1. finds Renault in breach of Article 151(c) of the International Sporting Code,
    11.1.2. imposes no penalty due to the lack of evidence that the Championship has been affected.
    Lover Boy Flavio and CEO Ghosn should be smiling ear-to-ear.....

    I agree with your opinion.... mukhang may tinitignan at may tinititigan....

    Alonso now to Renault?......

    4707:santas:

Now, It's Renault's Turn.....