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    #11
    Montoya had an off at the start, risking a shoulder injury that made him sit out 2 races. It took time for him to regain his true form, but at least he's back.

    My real champion is Raikkonen. As I said, he races in more or less equal conditions to his teammate unlike Alonso. Haters will criticize him of winning because he always got the better car. Fisichella also claimed before that his misfortunes are his partner's benefits. Having to race a slower and/or less reliable car, his only win was in Australia, let alone Alonso having qualified 13th. Team principal Flavio Briatore simply said Fisi is made to race and not complain, and that he can leave anytime. Sorry to say, but Alonso's title victory is very much like Schumacher's, with the help of a second fiddle. If the young Spaniard is really to prove himself, he must race equal cars.

    As for the constructor's title, the McLaren pair simply has to finish all the remaining races. Besides, no one can challenge their pace.

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    #12
    Although I'm a natural Schumi fan, my money is on Raikkonen. I like his driving style and calculated moves. Montoya is too prone to stupid car crashes and senseless driving errors. The last incidents with Pizzonia and Monteiro were forgettable finishes. But that's just me.

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    i am confused. Alonso doesn't deserve his championship??

    ok, so Alonso has an advantage over his teammate Fisichella because Renault gives him their 'better' car to race.

    but Alonso, on his way to the driver's championship, has regulary beaten guys like Montoya and Raikkonen, whose McLarens are by accounts better than either car that Renault fields. i'm not even mentioning Ferrari and Williams at this point.

    so how is Alonso not deserving? i don't get it :confused:

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    Err... what the difference between the two R25s?

    Both have the same spec sheet. It is up to the driver (during testing) to fine-tune the car for a particular track (btw, this is one of Schumi's strong points). Alonso might be getting away with longer testing hours than Fisi but basically that's the only difference. There is no really "better" car per se.

    For the record too, Alonso has a better record than Fisi. Alonso's previous highest finish was 4th overall (2004 season) while Fisi only managed 6th overall a few years back.

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    #15
    kudos to mclaren. while kimi has shone better than montoya, i foresee exciting races between them next year.

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    Schumacher's wins were because he basically imported his championship winning squad from the Benetton team to the Ferrari team. Schumi is a great driver, but he knows the value of a great engineer.

    Alonso does get the better engineers for setting up his car, but that's only because he's already proven himself to Briatore. And Briatore is notorious for not liking drivers. If you can't play with him, tough... as he said, Fisi can always leave.

    It's every team boss's biggest decision in terms of a season strategy, on which driver to spend the most time and effort. After testing and a few races, they generally put all their chips on the better driver. Kimi over Montoya, Fernando over Giancarlo, Schumi over... well, just about all of his partners...

    And note: Kimi is OBVIOUSLY McLaren's star, but JPM has been able to shine with quite a number of victories this season. Even if you're second fiddle, you don't have to take it lying down or crying like a baby... just COMPETE.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    #17
    Pinag aagawan nga ng ferrari at mclaren si kimi notice all the rumours about his transfer? Alonso? I don't know any rumors about him hehehe.

    Kimi is my champion. Alonso? Well, all I can say is that he's consistent on his points finishes... and he's one dang lucky SOB hehe If Montoya was able to finish last time in spa kung di lang sya binangga ni pizzonia... and if Monty held his position in Turkey? I guess Kimi would still be fighting for it

    Ganda sana if it was like in 2000 where Schumi and Mika went on to battle for the champsionship until the last race in suzuka. I remember that qualifying where they battled for Pole, separating each other by 1/1000 of a second. They traded lap times that day. grabe! ilang beses din yun. but race day, it rained abit and mika got his setup wrong, schumi went on to clinch the title.

    I think Alonso's championship is somewhat similar to Kimi's 2003 year. Notice how Kimi was able to keep up with MS last 2003 but kimi only won 1 gp? It was because he had a reliable car back then and he was consistent on his podium finishes. But he kinda faded on the last remaining races that year.

    Si montoya kase, his driving style is like "take no prisoners" Last year andami nya DNF's all because I think he was too aggressive either on the start(approaching a corner) or on overtaking. but he is fast when he gets his head down.

    Mazda,

    pareho din naman kotse ni schumi at rubens hehehe.


    I think within the organization, may agreement na sila, if a driver is obviously a championship contender most(if not all) of the resources shifts their attention to him(although it is denied publicly). mika and david had a gentleman's agreement in 98 as well in the austrailian gp and mika won the championship... well, ferrari we all know who gets what on that team hehehe.
    Last edited by cardo; September 30th, 2005 at 04:24 PM.

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    #18
    Quote Originally Posted by mazdamazda
    Err... what the difference between the two R25s?

    Both have the same spec sheet. It is up to the driver (during testing) to fine-tune the car for a particular track (btw, this is one of Schumi's strong points). Alonso might be getting away with longer testing hours than Fisi but basically that's the only difference. There is no really "better" car per se.
    That's what appears from the outside, but from the inside, there is always a strategy which revolves around the "star" player. If you're with the LA Lakers before, you should know that you should get the ball to Shaq. The same way that Rubens is the Plan B for Ferrari, and Schumi is always the Plan A. Same with Kimi and JP. Same with Alonso and Fisi. Even the pit-stop strategy of each team is designed to favor the star driver. Even the Jordan Team favors Monteiro over Narain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M54 Powered
    i am confused. Alonso doesn't deserve his championship??

    ok, so Alonso has an advantage over his teammate Fisichella because Renault gives him their 'better' car to race.

    but Alonso, on his way to the driver's championship, has regulary beaten guys like Montoya and Raikkonen, whose McLarens are by accounts better than either car that Renault fields. i'm not even mentioning Ferrari and Williams at this point.

    so how is Alonso not deserving? i don't get it :confused:
    That's because Alonso's car kept finishing. Otherwise Kimi is champion.

    Quote Originally Posted by niky
    Schumacher's wins were because he basically imported his championship winning squad from the Benetton team to the Ferrari team. Schumi is a great driver, but he knows the value of a great engineer.

    Alonso does get the better engineers for setting up his car, but that's only because he's already proven himself to Briatore. And Briatore is notorious for not liking drivers. If you can't play with him, tough... as he said, Fisi can always leave.

    It's every team boss's biggest decision in terms of a season strategy, on which driver to spend the most time and effort. After testing and a few races, they generally put all their chips on the better driver. Kimi over Montoya, Fernando over Giancarlo, Schumi over... well, just about all of his partners...

    And note: Kimi is OBVIOUSLY McLaren's star, but JPM has been able to shine with quite a number of victories this season. Even if you're second fiddle, you don't have to take it lying down or crying like a baby... just COMPETE.

    No, McLaren favor both drivers. Mechanical failures leading to DNFs occur to either KR or JPM, not just to one driver. Fisi had a number of failed races because of car imperfection while Alonso only had a shunt in Canada, caused by his own doing. There was never a time when Giancarlo's car was better. As I said, he won in OZ only because Fernando was several positions behind. In Ferrari, there was one time when Rubens had to trade cars with Michael because the former's was set up slightly better. If I'm not mistaken, this was during the 2002 San Marino GP.
    Last edited by squala; October 1st, 2005 at 02:56 AM.

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    #20
    Quote Originally Posted by squala
    That's because Alonso's car kept finishing. Otherwise Kimi is champion.
    :bwahaha: please don't be offended, but what you said is just plain ridiculous. DNF's are a part of racing and if you don't finish, you LOSE. simple.

    i suppose we should say that the real NBA eastern conference champion should be the Miami Heat because both Shaq and Wade were injured when they lost to the Pistons...?

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