FIA Formula 1 World Championship 2011

[CoDer]

At least he is now tied with Nigel for most pole position in a season.

Oo nga naman. Parang anti climatic lang kasi, out of nowhere ba naman.

Sarap sanang panuorin na pinapahirapan nya si Hamilton.

[Monseratto]

Congrats to SV for being the F1 Driver with the most Pole Positions in a single season...

Sebastian Vettel has set a new F1 record by achieving 15 pole positions in a single season. The Champion will share the Brazilian Grand Prix front row with Red Bull team-mate Mark Webber, with the McLarens of Jenson Button and Lewis Hamilton next up. Fernando Alonso starts fifth from the leading Mercedes of Nico Rosberg.

Qualifying results

Pos. Driver Team Time Laps
1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 01:11.918 17
2. Mark Webber Red Bull 01:12.099 16
3. Jenson Button McLaren 01:12.283 18
4. Lewis Hamilton McLaren 01:12.480 22
5. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 01:12.591 22
6. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 01:13.050 21
7. Felipe Massa Ferrari 01:13.068 18
8. Adrian Sutil Force India 01:13.298 23
9. Bruno Senna Lotus Renault 01:13.761 29
10. Michael Schumacher Mercedes no time 18
11. Paul di Resta Force India 01:13.584 17
12. Rubens Barrichello Williams 01:13.801 17
13. Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso 01:13.804 18
14. Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso 01:13.919 22
15. Vitaly Petrov Lotus Renault 01:14.053 16
16. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 01:14.129 18
17. Sergio Perez Sauber 01:14.182 21
18. Pastor Maldonado Williams 01:14.625 11
19. Heikki Kovalainen Team Lotus 01:15.068 11
20. Jarno Trulli Team Lotus 01:15.358 14
21. Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT 01:16.631 8
22. Daniel Ricciardo HRT 01:16.890 9
23. Jerome d` Ambrosio Virgin 01:17.019 10
24. Timo Glock Virgin 01:17.060 10

[CVT]

Kuwidaw si LH sa mga Brazilian fans....

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[Ry_Tower]

Congrats kay SV He and RBR deserve this recognition for a fantastic job.

Also Adrian Newey just cemented his status as the best designer of all time.

[BoyFerrari]

This Red Bull win was fixed. I have a strong vibes Vettel's gearbox problem was just a ruse by the team to allow Webber to win the race and end the season in a jolly mood for everyone. Vettel broke the pole position record, and has been crowned double World Champion, so what more can he ask? Letting Webber win was a small favor, and it puts an exclamation point for the entire Red Bull team and will allow Webber to go on off-season vacation on positive spirits.

[niky]

This Red Bull win was fixed. I have a strong vibes Vettel's gearbox problem was just a ruse by the team to allow Webber to win the race and end the season in a jolly mood for everyone. Vettel broke the pole position record, and has been crowned double World Champion, so what more can he ask? Letting Webber win was a small favor, and it puts an exclamation point for the entire Red Bull team and will allow Webber to go on off-season vacation on positive spirits.

The conspiracy theory would work except for the fact that there was hardly any oil left in Vettel's gearbox.

Interlagos is really murder on gearboxes. Anyone remember Senna's win with a borked gearbox here? Vettel, Hamilton and Senna all had their share of gearbox trouble on the day, and Vettel was either daft or extraordinarily brave to push hard even with gearbox issues.

Besides... if all Red Bull wanted to do was let Mark Webber win, why, then, did they keep frantically calling Vettel, long after Webber had disappeared into the distance, telling him to conserve the gearbox even though Button was catching him up?

And why would they need to make up a story to make it happen? They could just simply... oops... make a mistake in pit strategy and let Vettel lose a place to Webber.

[vinj]

The conspiracy theory would work except for the fact that there was hardly any oil left in Vettel's gearbox.

Interlagos is really murder on gearboxes. Anyone remember Senna's win with a borked gearbox here? Vettel, Hamilton and Senna all had their share of gearbox trouble on the day, and Vettel was either daft or extraordinarily brave to push hard even with gearbox issues..

One of the best wins of Senna, his first at his home country. Running without 3rd, 4th and 5th gears by the time he crossed the checkered flag, that would have been really physically exhausting.

That same race also had it's share of gearbox failures.

[Monseratto]

Lewis elimination was fun to watch while in the midst of a ruckus with old nemesis Massa...good thing it didn't end with another crash.

[BoyFerrari]

Interlagos is really murder on gearboxes. Anyone remember Senna's win with a borked gearbox here?

Which makes a gearbox ruse, a perfect plot to map out the resulting storyline.

And why would they need to make up a story to make it happen? They could just simply... oops... make a mistake in pit strategy and let Vettel lose a place to Webber.

A pit stop ruse is just a one-time damage to the time sheets, you cannot repeat it again.

Unlike a gearbox ruse where the driver can control the pace of the storyline throughout the race, depending on where his teammate is, and where the other opposing drivers are. Sometimes the gearbox is failing, sometimes it's holding up till the end of the race. The driver can control the situation.

When i posted here about Nelson Piquet crashing his Renault in Singapore as a ruse made by Flavio Briatore, nobody believed me.

Other ruse in the past was the famous "slow pit stop ruse" of Felipe Massa concocted by Ross Brawn also in Brazil, that allowed Kimi Raikkonen to grab the lead in the dying minutes to become World Champion by a single point.

[Ry_Tower]

Lewis elimination was fun to watch while in the midst of a ruckus with old nemesis Massa...good thing it didn't end with another crash.

Next year would be more interesting as they ponder on what has transpires in their head to head match-ups. hehe

[Ry_Tower]

Other ruse in the past was the famous "slow pit stop ruse" of Felipe Massa concocted by Ross Brawn also in Brazil, that allowed Kimi Raikkonen to grab the lead in the dying minutes to become World Champion by a single point.

I see no problems here, team orders are team orders. If we wanted a clean championship unaided by team orders, a 1 man team should be then be enforced. This is indeed a controversial topic where a purist may argue against team orders but businessmen will always want to have something to improve their finances and having a trophy helps a lot for bragging rights. Peace.

[niky]

Which makes a gearbox ruse, a perfect plot to map out the resulting storyline.

A pit stop ruse is just a one-time damage to the time sheets, you cannot repeat it again.

Unlike a gearbox ruse where the driver can control the pace of the storyline throughout the race, depending on where his teammate is, and where the other opposing drivers are. Sometimes the gearbox is failing, sometimes it's holding up till the end of the race. The driver can control the situation.

When i posted here about Nelson Piquet crashing his Renault in Singapore as a ruse made by Flavio Briatore, nobody believed me.

Other ruse in the past was the famous "slow pit stop ruse" of Felipe Massa concocted by Ross Brawn also in Brazil, that allowed Kimi Raikkonen to grab the lead in the dying minutes to become World Champion by a single point.

I admit it's a possibility, but Vettel's variable pace was more due to his desire to keep racing clashing with the engineers' desire to keep his gearbox temperatures under control. Or him under control. Because you can sure as hell bet that Vettel didn't want to give up that place. That's why he slowed down for only a lap or two after every frantic radio call from the pits, then sped up to full racing pace as Webber got closer.

I'll also admit that Red Bull is not beyond using coded transmissions to enforce "team orders", such as when they issued suspicious fuel trim messages to their drivers when they collided at Turkey last year.

BUT: The difference now is that there's no more ban on "team orders". And Red Bull has not been shy about publicly using them as they did a few races back when they ordered Webber to NOT overtake Vettel.

When a team tells a driver to short shift, that's because the temperature readings coming from the gearbox sensors are getting high. That means that either there's not enough fluid or there's a problem with the transmission cooler. Horner reports that the temperatures were pretty much through the roof in the last five laps.

It'd be easy enough to check by going back through Red Bull's telemetry data, but unless Mark Webber complains, what reason would we have? Even if Red Bull used team orders, it's not illegal anymore, so there's really no issue.

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Besides, a pit stop ruse is infinitely more believable. One stuck wheel nut, Webber gets past. All done, Vettel and Webber dice till the checkered flag.

[Monseratto]

This would have been funny to watch...

The 1982 season was a development season for Brabham and BMW, preparing to clinch the 1983 title. However, there was time for a slapstick moment at Hockenheim when Nelson was leading the GP and about to lap Salazar at one of the chicanes, when suddenly the Chilean shut the door and put Nelson out of the race. Then this happened... Clearly Piquet was remembering Didier Pironi's accident in the qualifying session in which the Frenchman was lifted to hospital with several injuries. Besides that, he had seen his friend Gilles Villeneuve die at Zolder, in a time when Nelson criticized the Ferrari for being a "coffin on wheels". After the accident Nelson was walking back to the pits when suddenly a van arrived to pick him up. However, when he found out that one of the van's passengers was the hapless Salazar, Nelson refused to share the ride. Immediately, the argument between the two flared up again. To solve their differences the van driver got out. But before he was able to talk to both of them, Piquet jumped behind the wheel and left both Salazar and the driver behind...

Ten years later a BMW engineer unveiled to Nelson that his engine would have called it a day within two laps of the collision. Nelson's reaction was remarkable: he said the accident was the best thing that could have happened to BMW because it had avoided the shame of a blown engine at their home Grand Prix. Immediately Piquet tried to get Salazar on the phone to tell him the story and get him off the hook...

[BoyFerrari]

BUT: The difference now is that there's no more ban on "team orders". And Red Bull has not been shy about publicly using them

Exactly.

In the past, a ruse is usually designed to bluff the FIA and avoid getting penalties.

Today, since team orders are legal, a ruse is designed to bluff the fans to believe the storyline. Because if you knew that Red Bull had fixed the ending, you wouldn't have bought a ticket in the first place.

One ruse in the past, that people insist was a ruse, but i personally believe was a real incident, was Timo Glock allowing Lewis Hamilton to pass him in the final two corners also in Brazil, that effectively spoiled Felipe Massa's only chance of becoming World Champion. Up to this day, many Brazilians still believe Timo Glock was paid a boatload of cash to stay on slick tyres when it was already raining.

[CVT]

Exactly.

In the past, a ruse is usually designed to bluff the FIA and avoid getting penalties.

Today, since team orders are legal, a ruse is designed to bluff the fans to believe the storyline. Because if you knew that Red Bull had fixed the ending, you wouldn't have bought a ticket in the first place.

One ruse in the past, that people insist was a ruse, but i personally believe was a real incident, was Timo Glock allowing Lewis Hamilton to pass him in the final two corners also in Brazil, that effectively spoiled Felipe Massa's only chance of becoming World Champion. Up to this day, many Brazilians still believe Timo Glock was paid a boatload of cash to stay on slick tyres when it was already raining.

I like the way you think, bro. With RBR, and the unseen friction between the fair-haired SV and the down-under MW,- it could very well be...

Yes, and FM's family in the pits was already celebrating, until that (in)famous overtake of LH (over TG) in the last corner of the track..... Poor Massas....

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[Ry_Tower]

One ruse in the past, that people insist was a ruse, but i personally believe was a real incident, was Timo Glock allowing Lewis Hamilton to pass him in the final two corners also in Brazil, that effectively spoiled Felipe Massa's only chance of becoming World Champion. Up to this day, many Brazilians still believe Timo Glock was paid a boatload of cash to stay on slick tyres when it was already raining.

This is almost impossible to prove since you would need for Timo Glock to confess and be verified by someone else. Too much controversy IMO. I believe though that LH deserve the championship naman, considering also the bad luck he had the rpevious year when KR won. hehe

[niky]

Yeah, it could be a ruse to fool the fans, but again... Red Bull was not shy about giving Webber a public order to not race, so I don't think it was.

Red Bull is not shy about giving team orders, not like Ferrari is. Hell... the whole debacle that resulted in the lifting of the "team orders" ban was due to Ferrari's handling of the situation.

Plus, you have to consider Red Bull's pride... they're really proud of their constructor's trophy, and any news of mechanical problems reflects poorly on the team. A locked wheel nut wouldn't have been as embarrassing.

Not putting it beyond them, but there's much more than reasonable doubt in my mind as to whether they would do it. Red Bull are merely laughing them off.

[CVT]

This is almost impossible to prove since you would need for Timo Glock to confess and be verified by someone else. Too much controversy IMO. I believe though that LH deserve the championship naman, considering also the bad luck he had the rpevious year when KR won. hehe

Bad luck ba bro?....

IMO, he brought it upon himself... what with his intense competition with FA, especially in Brazil where he banged wheel to wheel with him and resetting his car in the process...

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[Ry_Tower]

Bad luck ba bro?....

IMO, he brought it upon himself... what with his intense competition with FA, especially in Brazil where he banged wheel to wheel with him and resetting his car in the process...

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Hehe, eh yung speed trap sa gravel. Sobra na rin kasi nangyari noon, hindi ako makapaniwala na matatalo pa siya.

[Monseratto]

I hope this won't be a halfhearted drive like he had with Ferrari. Six World Champions will drive next season.

Kimi Räikkönen will return to Formula 1 in 2012, it has been officially confirmed. Following a sabbatical of two years, the World Champion of 2007 makes his comeback with Lotus Renault GP, having been replaced at Ferrari by Fernando Alonso. The Finn has signed a two-season deal with the Enstone outfit.