'Why we can't support call for GMA to resign'

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umiinit na discussion dito ha?? hehehe

IMO there's always two sides of the story, for me and the others we don't like to get rid of GMA because of some consequence's along the way.

for others naman, they can't stand our current president because of the corruption. even if si noli ang papalit, 50%/50% ang chance na magiging mas corrupt siya than GMA.

kanya kanyang opinion lang yan...

[4JGtootsie]

hindi na rin siguro magbabago ang isip ko..... kumbaga me ekis na siya sa akin, she abused her power.... sinabi ko na dati na marami na ako pinalampas na sa tingin ko mga maling moves niya... kumbaga napuno na ang salop niya para sa akin...

she didn't do anything to stop her fat assed hubby to muddle her supposedly good programs...tsaka yung mga anak nya, if she is really keen on being clean, di nya na sana pinatakbo pa si dato, kung si dato talaga ang me gusto, bilang ina, pinakiusapan na lang niya na sana after her term na lang tumakbo out of courtesy to her office and her programs na for sure na ma ma malign, if and when dato run (which he did )....

sinabi ko na naman long shot talaga na mag resign siya or mapa alis....it is just i need to say what i have said... at mangumbinsi na rin na sumama to call for her to resign.

re corruption to drop dramatically-I dont think but I hope so..... di ako nawawalan ng pag asa na me mga tao pa ring me malasakit sa kapakanan ng ibang tao....

.... peace po.. i like the way our discussion is being conducted, very civil and diplomatic.. kudos bro..

Sa ganitong discussion we really need to be civil and diplomatic. We must be objective rather than subjective. We all have the same goal but different approaches. I admire your conviction and agree on some of your analysis.
keep it up! Peace!

[fourtheboys96]

[B]

kung tatanungin ko ang sarili ko gaya ng tanong mo na are we better off if GMA resigns.. ang isasagot ko yes we should be.. ksi akoy umaasa na mababawasan ang kurakot, well hindi eradicated, mababawasan ang word ko.. at wala ng suhulan na parang binibili ang pagkatao ng isang nilalalang.

ebidensya and logic thing..... kung sa akin mangyayari yang scenario na sinabi mo.. heads up ako, kasi hindi totoo... ang problema ke GMA, kino cover up nila na napaka pangit ang kinalalabasan.. kapalan na lang ng mukha... agree ka naman na kurakot si GMA.... ang pagkakaiba lang natin ng posisyon eh, willing kayong maghintay hanggang 2010, at sa tingin mo wlang ibang alternatibo..

nung naalis ba si erap nabawasan ang kurakot? kung mag resign ba si gma mababawasan ang corruption?

heads up ka kasi ndi totoo? eh ganito din paniniwala ni GMA di ba? ang punto dito lahat ng bintang ay ......bintang lang. kasi wala pa ebidensya. GETS?

Do you believe that GMA is a corrupt president? I do believe your answer would be yes as you (as a citizen of the Philippines) are going to sue her if and when there are solid evidence against her, so if I may request from you-why dont you join us sa pag ga gather ng solid evidence since sasama ka naman sa paghahabla sa kay PGMA after her term.. peace..

I'm talking about Noli De Castro po.

peace po... sa lahat.. healthy discussion lang.. :D

i believe (with matching tone of ms. teen usa south carolina) na GMA per se is not corrupt. its the arroyo boys.

yes we should sue her if we have evidence just like we did to erap.

can you tell me how your group gather evidence against GMA?

[safeorigin]

yep, we can't put down gma without solid evidence. it's prejudicial in her part taking her out. di bale si erap at nahuli sa camera tapos proven guilty pa sa court. well, it's not that i'm pro gma but being prejudicial and blending in with the ideas of politicians is good. you should know that channel dos is legarda's toy. not everything you see there are true ya know.

[zachary matthew]

nung naalis ba si erap nabawasan ang kurakot? kung mag resign ba si gma mababawasan ang corruption?

heads up ka kasi ndi totoo? eh ganito din paniniwala ni GMA di ba? ang punto dito lahat ng bintang ay ......bintang lang. kasi wala pa ebidensya. GETS?


i believe (with matching tone of ms. teen usa south carolina) na GMA per se is not corrupt. its the arroyo boys.

yes we should sue her if we have evidence just like we did to erap.

can you tell me how your group gather evidence against GMA?

1) nung naalis si erap hindi nabawasan ang corruption at mga kurakot. agree.. i have said my piece na umaasa ako na mababawasan ito..

2) okey i might agree in some degree na hindi kurakot per se si GMA, at in-admit mo na the arroyo boys are. for me she is tolerating corruption therefore she is part of the circle.. and also an accessory to the crime.. pag me grupong nangidnap, kidnapper rin ang tawag sa look out bagamat hindi siya ang physical na dumampot at nag tago sa taong kinidnap..

3) what i want to imply by saying us, is we-the people who wants GMA to resign or to step down, Im not part of any organized group..i work and take my actions at my own conviction...

4) to sir safeorigin: kapuso po ang filipino channel na pinapanoor sa bahay namin rito sa Saudi. ... .marimar Awwww!!!

5) i dont know if this makes sense.. there are decisions in life na kahit hindi nakabase sa ebidensya na black and white at kailangang mahuli sa loob ng cookie jar ang kamay ng suspect bago husgahan...pero kailangan pa ring gawin ang desisyon....kaya nga tayong mga lalake eh me tinatawag na gut feel at ang mga babae naman womans intuition..
pero agree ako na sa court of law di talaga ubra yun, imagine a judge basing his/her decision on gut feel... hehehehehehe... ( i dont know if that happened before but I have a gut feel na nangyayari yan.. )

peace po sa lahat.. discussion lang...

[zarghee]

alam mo zach, masarap buhay mo dyan sa ibang bansa... pakuya-kuyakoy ka lang dyan pagkatapos ng trabaho mo... kami dito sa pinas, hindi. nagtatrabaho kami pero maraming nanggugulo,sila ang mga anti-gma o mga naniniwala sa probinsyanong intsik na payatot na yan na kala mo kung sinong aroganteng magsalita ng "katotohanan". ayaw naming supportahan ang mga yan dahil simple lang, di namin alam kung ano ang mangyayari kung sakali man, at ayaw naming ipahamak ang mga kinabukasan ng mga pamilya namin sa kanila... mas mabuting tapusin na ni GMA ang termino nya dahil nakikita naman sa kanya na seryoso sya sa trabaho nya...

[zachary matthew]

alam mo zach, masarap buhay mo dyan sa ibang bansa... pakuya-kuyakoy ka lang dyan pagkatapos ng trabaho mo... kami dito sa pinas, hindi. nagtatrabaho kami pero maraming nanggugulo,sila ang mga anti-gma o mga naniniwala sa probinsyanong intsik na payatot na yan na kala mo kung sinong aroganteng magsalita ng "katotohanan". ayaw naming supportahan ang mga yan dahil simple lang, di namin alam kung ano ang mangyayari kung sakali man, at ayaw naming ipahamak ang mga kinabukasan ng mga pamilya namin sa kanila... mas mabuting tapusin na ni GMA ang termino nya dahil nakikita naman sa kanya na seryoso sya sa trabaho nya...

Its unfair na sabihin na masarap ang buhay ng mga Overseas Filipino..subukan nyo pong mag OFW, hindi man pisikal na paghihirap-pero may OFW po sa disyerto na unforgiving ang environment and you call that masarap na buhay, mental torture ang pinakamabigat na kalaban rito....pagkatapos po ng trabaho namin ay pinipilit naming maging masaya, habang iniisip kung anong ginagawa ng pamilya namin sa pilipinas, ang mga panahong na mi miss mo.. ang first step ng panganay mong anak.. ang first words, ang pagsama mo pagpapatule sa anak mo....

in what sense po na nasabi mo na ginugulo kayo ng anti GMA at mga naniniwala kay jun lozada...i can give you one.. matraffic pag me rally, ano pa po? nagmamahal po ba ang bilihin dahil sa mga nag rarally at anti GMA? may nag tetext po ba sa celfon mo oras oras at ginugulo ka sa iyong pang araw araw na gawain.

sa totoo lang po, wala naman talagang nakaka alam ng mangyayari.. kahit si GMA ay umalis or hindi.. hindi natin alam ang mangyayari.. sabi nga sa english, "nobadi ken predik da pyutsur"

I rest my case.....i respect your position na hindi sumuporta sa panawagan ng GMA resign at sana ay respetuhin rin ang posisyon ng mga gustong magresign si GMA.

kapayapaan sa inyo mga kapwa ko pilipino..

[ARB]

if may rally ang sales ng mga retail stores from car accessories to others fall. because people choose to stay home rather than go out. To give you one example, kami nasa province we often order stuff from manila to be sent here. During the stupid Peninsula takeover we had a pending air freight order for parts, the forwarder was not able to pick-up the part in makati because it was traffic and some of the roads are blocked. We were watching the happenings in the TV, my installer said, "boss why are you watching that, it will not affect us naman eh, sa manila naman yan." I answered back "because of the stupidity of these people, our order was not picked up by the forwarder, tomorrow the order will not arrive, then tomorrow you will not have a job to do wala kang commission, you just lost 300 bucks because of this." and he said "ay ganoon pala, wala kwenta ginagawa nila pati kami na aapectohan."

unlike if you are there as an OFW, mag rally man sila dito araw gabi, isang linggo, isang buwan hindi ma aapectohan ang income nyo. while people who are left here who works hard to feed thier family are the ones affected by their so called "rally or truth".

The politicos? the have enough money stashed away to feed their families. all they will do if worst comes here in the Phils is to go abroad. while those people na binabayaran mag rally, they think that they just earned a days work. they dont think of the real consequences of what they are doing.

[zachary matthew]

if may rally ang sales ng mga retail stores from car accessories to others fall. because people choose to stay home rather than go out. To give you one example, kami nasa province we often order stuff from manila to be sent here. During the stupid Peninsula takeover we had a pending air freight order for parts, the forwarder was not able to pick-up the part in makati because it was traffic and some of the roads are blocked. We were watching the happenings in the TV, my installer said, "boss why are you watching that, it will not affect us naman eh, sa manila naman yan." I answered back "because of the stupidity of these people, our order was not picked up by the forwarder, tomorrow the order will not arrive, then tomorrow you will not have a job to do wala kang commission, you just lost 300 bucks because of this." and he said "ay ganoon pala, wala kwenta ginagawa nila pati kami na aapectohan."

unlike if you are there as an OFW, mag rally man sila dito araw gabi, isang linggo, isang buwan hindi ma aapectohan ang income nyo. while people who are left here who works hard to feed thier family are the ones affected by their so called "rally or truth".

The politicos? the have enough money stashed away to feed their families. all they will do if worst comes here in the Phils is to go abroad. while those people na binabayaran mag rally, they think that they just earned a days work. they dont think of the real consequences of what they are doing.

ahhh.. IC, ganon pala... pero mutiny, coup d'etat, armed uprising is different from rallies (rallyist bayaran or di bayaran-I however believe na na ang middle class at mga militante na pumunta sa sa mga rally ng anti GMA ay hindi bayaran., urban poor ang mga nagpapa bayad-mga tao ni erap at PMAP)

okey given na apektado ang retail industry, pag me nangyayari sa manila... apektado pa rin ang ofw, kasi nga nariyan ang family namin, wala silang mabibili..... me pera ka nga wala ka namang mabibili, whats the use? hindi monopoly ng mga physically present sa pilipinas ang epekto ng kung anong nangyayari sa pilipinas, we just need to know and try to understand and be objective bakit kailangang gawin ang ginagawa ng mga rallyista.

at hindi naman araw araw me rally na malaki at sa palagay ko yong mga malalaking rally hindi nakaka apekto sa dun sa sinasabi mong dysfunction ng ikot ng retail market at distribution of goods sa consumers at pati na rin sa mga commission ng mga salesman.

peace po.. . . . . . . . .

parting words..at para na rin pati sa thread title na specifically tungkol sa rally para mag resign si GMA...
1 . kaya binobomba ng rally si GMA ay para magresign-pero malabo talaga magresign si PGMA- ang purpose ng rally ay para konsensyahin ba?,
2 . malabo rin ang people power (pero kahit ako, ayoko na sa people power)....
3 . wait na lang ako sa impitsment.. . . .

[ARB]

sir pag rally, the forwarder also will delay its pick-up becuase of the traffic. The example I gave are just one of the instances that what people are doing in Makati, ordinary people like us are affected in the provinces also. One thing also people that join the rally are not the filipino people, they should not decide for us on whether to let the President should step down, kung sino man siya.

I too want coruption to stop, but I dont think it will, even if we change the people up there. The opposition are just in a hurry to get money from the govt also.

[blueguy]

why?...there's no better alternative for GMA, all the opposition are pushing for... have dark or doubtful past.

If I were you, just choose who among those who are less evil. Then your questions will be answered.

Lahat ng taga opposition have hidden agenda. Bakit kami dito sa Visayas at Mindanao nabubuhay, maayos ang takbo kahit magulo diyan sa mga rally rally? di niyo ba alam na nilangaw ang pagpunta ni Lozada dito?.....

Kung tutuusin mo halos lahat ng kilos protesta sa GMA resign diyan lang lahat, konti o wala dito sa amin kasi mas natuto na kaming maging independent. Wala din kasi mangyayari sa rally rally...magtrabaho ka na lang, sayanh isang araw na absent...Daming napeperwesyo sa ginagawa nila. Malaki na ang epekto ng mga rally na yan sa mga businesses dyan sa Manila.at kung aalis sila san sila lilipat?...Malamang dito sa Vis Min...mura ang kuryente at OK ang infrastructure...

Dapat mag-isip isip ang mga pulitiko diyan, hindi kesyo lumabas si Lozada at sinuportahan siya ng simbahan ay sususnod na ang taong bayan....Mali siya...napahiya siya sa Iloilo, Bacolod at Cebu...walang magandang naidulot... nareschedule mga exams ng mga estudyante dahil dadating si Lozada?...ano yun? tama ba yun? Tama lang kung sabihin na hindi siya welcome dito sa amin....

At yung accusations ng opposition? puro hearsay....hindi sa tamang proseso...at dun pa sa Senado kung saan puro grandstanding ginagawa, wala namang na prove...

Kaya kung may makapagbigay ng magaling na kapalit kay GMA bakit hindi?

At sa tingin niyo kung palagi na lang tayong palit ng palit may pupuntahan ba ang Pilipinas? WALA, sa kawalan...at isa pa 2 years na lang...

Kakatawa lang sina Cory, Loren at Drilon...mga balimbing....

Sige lang, patuloy ang rally diyan sa Manila.... kami naman dito sa VisMin, patuloy pagpasok ng mga business at development....

[zarghee]

Its unfair na sabihin na masarap ang buhay ng mga Overseas Filipino..subukan nyo pong mag OFW, hindi man pisikal na paghihirap-pero may OFW po sa disyerto na unforgiving ang environment and you call that masarap na buhay, mental torture ang pinakamabigat na kalaban rito....pagkatapos po ng trabaho namin ay pinipilit naming maging masaya, habang iniisip kung anong ginagawa ng pamilya namin sa pilipinas, ang mga panahong na mi miss mo.. ang first step ng panganay mong anak.. ang first words, ang pagsama mo pagpapatule sa anak mo....

in what sense po na nasabi mo na ginugulo kayo ng anti GMA at mga naniniwala kay jun lozada...i can give you one.. matraffic pag me rally, ano pa po? nagmamahal po ba ang bilihin dahil sa mga nag rarally at anti GMA? may nag tetext po ba sa celfon mo oras oras at ginugulo ka sa iyong pang araw araw na gawain.

sa totoo lang po, wala naman talagang nakaka alam ng mangyayari.. kahit si GMA ay umalis or hindi.. hindi natin alam ang mangyayari.. sabi nga sa english, "nobadi ken predik da pyutsur"

I rest my case.....i respect your position na hindi sumuporta sa panawagan ng GMA resign at sana ay respetuhin rin ang posisyon ng mga gustong magresign si GMA.

kapayapaan sa inyo mga kapwa ko pilipino..

Zach, pag may rally sa Ayala, half day lang ang trabaho ko... At alam mo ba kung half day ang pasok ko? kalahati din ng kita ko ang mawawala. At nung nag rally ang mga hinayupak na mga anti-arroyo na yan sa Ayala, kulang na naman ang pambili ko ng gatas ng anak ko! Get it? Ako, jeepney lang ako sumasakay at sa bus... kahit di ako sumali sa mga rally na yan, naglalakad ako ng pagkalayo-layo dahil sa kagagawan nila... Please lang, halos lahat kami na nagtatrabaho sa Ayala nagmumura pag may rally dahil naiistorbo ang mga trabaho namin.

[oliver1013]

Obyus naman na may milagrong ginagawa at plano tong admin..ganun din mga nakaraang admin ang sakin lang hanggat may kabalastugan alisin ng alisin kahit pa sunod sunod na admin walang makatapos dahil sa laging sibak...wag tayo huminto hanggat walang matino.

Maawa tayo sa sarili natin mahirap na bansa na tayo lalo pa tayong pinahihirapan..Daan milyun ang ninanakaw satin na dapat malagay sa edukasyon o kung saan man nangngailangan ang bansa natin para sa mga anak natin at susunod na henerasyon. Kung kinkailangan maabala tayo sa pang araw araw na gawain natin sa tingin ko ok lang, basta maipaabot natin sa mga hinayupak na yan na di pupwede ang kanilang kabalastugan!!

[shadow]

if may rally ang sales ng mga retail stores from car accessories to others fall. because people choose to stay home rather than go out. To give you one example, kami nasa province we often order stuff from manila to be sent here. During the stupid Peninsula takeover we had a pending air freight order for parts, the forwarder was not able to pick-up the part in makati because it was traffic and some of the roads are blocked. We were watching the happenings in the TV, my installer said, "boss why are you watching that, it will not affect us naman eh, sa manila naman yan." I answered back "because of the stupidity of these people, our order was not picked up by the forwarder, tomorrow the order will not arrive, then tomorrow you will not have a job to do wala kang commission, you just lost 300 bucks because of this." and he said "ay ganoon pala, wala kwenta ginagawa nila pati kami na aapectohan."

unlike if you are there as an OFW, mag rally man sila dito araw gabi, isang linggo, isang buwan hindi ma aapectohan ang income nyo. while people who are left here who works hard to feed thier family are the ones affected by their so called "rally or truth".

The politicos? the have enough money stashed away to feed their families. all they will do if worst comes here in the Phils is to go abroad. while those people na binabayaran mag rally, they think that they just earned a days work. they dont think of the real consequences of what they are doing.

isa lang masasabi ko ang tindi ng installer mo..spokening dollar :money: hehehehe at English kayo mag-converse...hehehehe

[ARB]

boss hindi siya english speaking. translate ko lang kasi kung gawing ko illonggo baka hindi ma intindihan ng ibang tsikoteers. simpleng tao lang kami, we work hard to feed our families, that is why the call for a rally for us here in teh province is useless. it causes more problems for us here. Becuase we are also part of the Philippines and we are also have the right to choose whether to let the president resign or not. Some people think that they could decide for us.

[Stoner]

Hence, the notion of 'Imperial Manila'.

Hm... if a subset believe that only the Arroyo boys and not GMA herself is corrupt, then what's the difference between GMA and Cory? I mean, didn't Cory's relatives also took advantage of her executive position to amass wealth?

Don't shoot me here. I'm just wondering...

[safeorigin]

hmmm.. good point. no wonder these presidents are pushing for a federal government. kawawa nga naman kasi ang mga taga-probinsya whenever demonstrations occur. this is just like rome, the senators have ebil plots on julius ceasar. what a pity though