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  1. Join Date
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    besides not having a true good alternative to GMA, i share some of the reasons here why i am not in a hurry to call for GMA's resignation..


    Postscript//PhilSTAR//March 16, 2008//Sunday

    'Why we can't support
    call for GMA to resign'

    THIS Sunday, I share a piece by Fr. Ranhilio Callangan Aquino, dean of the Graduate School of Law of San Beda College (Mendiola) on calls for President Gloria Arroyo to resign. He says, and I concur:

    “I am not an apologist for President Arroyo. I have received no favors from her. I believe that she is a competent President and I also believe in the Rule of Law, no matter that the law may, in several respects, be infirm. And by the precepts of the Rule of Law to which I adhere, pressuring the President into resigning by swaying public opinion away from her and alienating the allegiance of the military is anathema.

    “My own reflections on the moral dimensions of the problems confirm me in the legal position I have so far taken.

    “1. I have followed with keen attention the proceedings in the Senate. Joey de Venecia's testimony clearly implicates the First Gentleman. Under the current legal doctrine of individual responsibility, there is no justification to impute to the President whatever wrong-doings the First Gentleman may be guilty of. I am not yet conceding that he is guilty.

    “2. The testimony of Jun Lozada, while rich in many details, contains not a single incriminatory statement against the President. There are innuendos that the NBN deal was known to, if not brokered, by some Malacaρang personalities, but innuendo is never evidence, and when we take such a serious move as urging the people to press for the resignation of the President, such a call must, by all moral precepts, rest on moral certitude!

    “3. Much of the testimony of Lozada in the Senate would fail the test of judicial admissibility. The Senate does not adhere to the Rules of Evidence. It is not required to, because its task is not judicial.

    “4. The Senators are not the impartial investigators and judges that judicial proceedings call for. Most of the Senators are political adversaries of PGMA. The witness answers as he is led by the questions. In court, most of these questions are characterized as 'leading,' and are disallowed in direct examinations because they lead the witness to the kind of answer the proponent of the question -- in this case, the senators -- wish to elicit from the witness.

    “5. Section 15 (1) of Republic Act 6770 vests in the Ombudsman the power to investigate 'any public officer of employee, office or agency' when an act or omission complained of appears to be illegal or even merely improper. I do not read, nor is there reason to read, the exclusion of the President from the power of the Ombudsman to investigate. Section 22 is in fact express about its power to investigate impeachable officials. I would like to hear the Ombudsman tell us whether or not there is probable cause in the first place because this, the Senate of its own cannot determine, nor does it possess the power to do so!

    “6. What shocks me is the irresponsibility with which a lawyer and a Senator of the Republic should prejudice the Ombudsman and dissuade the public from lending credence to the Ombudsman. Why should he? The reason is not too difficult to fathom: Since this particular senator has always wanted the President ousted, he wants public attention focused on the Senate, majority of whose members are having a heyday with the investigations at which they get the chance to bash the President. Proceedings before the Ombudsman should be more sedate, more orderly, more rational.

    “7. The contention that the Ombudsman and the Justice Secretary cannot conduct credible investigations because they are presidential appointees is specious! Were that so, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, the associate justices of the High Court, the justices of all superior courts, judges of courts, members of the Constitutional Commissions -- all would lack credibility because all are presidential appointees. Is it then our sad fate in this blighted Republic that only the Senators are to be trusted? All the clowning that has taken place in the Senate thus far convinces me otherwise: That it is one of the least credible institutions in this country.

    “8. Is it really the truth we seek? I have the sickening feeling that the President's foes have already decided what the 'truth' is -- that she is guilty. If the Ombudsman were to find no probable cause against the President or reason to indict the President in the Lower House (that is tasked with filing the articles of impeachment) after a thorough investigation, would the members of the opposition and the media be willing to accept this as 'true'? I have my serious doubts. But that is exactly the trouble: If they have decided beforehand what 'true' is, then all investigations are unavailing.

    “9. When one protests his earnestness in search of the truth and at the same time presses for the resignation of the President, one is guilty of a 'performative contradiction.' If you search for the truth, you do not yet know whether or not she is guilty. But if you do not know this yet, what reason is there to ask her to resign?

    “10. Asking for the President's resignation gives now the military the signal to shift allegiances: From following the chain of command to breaking it. I find pathetic and ludicrous Jose Ma. Sison's call to the military to shift allegiances.

    “11. When did all these coup attempts disruptive of civil government start? They all started with the politicization of the military. While we lauded their role in the first EDSA People Power revolution, we also opened a Pandora's Box -- the ugly prospect of the military dictating upon civilian government and making the latter hostage to it. How shall we ever have a government that truly subjects military authority to civilian rule if we court military support for the ouster of civilian government?

    “11. The two EDSA People Power exercises we have gone through got us the results we wanted THEN -- the ouster of Marcos, the ouster of Erap. But have these resulted in the strengthening of democratic institutions? They definitely have not. And when the institutions of democracy and justice are weakened by extra-systemic measures like people power, snap elections, premature departures from office of duly constituted authorities, we deter the maturing of our democracy.

    “12. It has been repeatedly argued that the President's resignation is not unconstitutional. But forcing her to by inviting the military for example to disavow obedience to their Commander-in-Chief and the civilian population not to submit to authority is certainly unconstitutional.”

  2. Join Date
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    Tho buraot talaga ko sa present admin, sakin isang rason kaya parang alangan din ako patalsikin si GMA kasi dahil kay erap, na umakyat sa entablado sa interfaith rally, poteks panira ng diskerte talaga. PWE!!

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    Support call for GMA to resign then what?....that's the million dollar question.

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    yun na nga mga brus. if we push for her resignation, at least sana meron prospect for a good future. pero wala eh. no choice but to stick with her.

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    tama kayo mga bro! puro politics. yung nagpapatalsik kay GMA nagkakaisa pero once na patalsik na walang unity kanya kanya gusto lahat pumalit sa pwesto. so what for? people power na naman kaya walang patutunguhan ang pinas.

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    Wala naman pananagot mga kagalang-galang senadors sa tao, kundi magpabango sa harap ng kamera. In "aid of television" ang nangyayari ngayun sa politika ng ating kawawang bansa.

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    kung pwede nga lang sana yung linyang, "politicos, be gone!"
    Damn, son! Where'd you find this?

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    one reason I think is bec they know how to stop the rallies from snowballing into another EDSA...bec once upon a time ginawa rin nila yan...so alam na nila paano pigilan etc...

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    actually po, there never was EDSA I. edsa I was america's way of revenge against marcos.
    Damn, son! Where'd you find this?

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    Edsa I was a spontenous military coup with a idealist mob thrown in. Edsa 2 was an arranged military coup with a politico led mob. Edsa III did not suceed nor any other "future" people power without the military.
    Last edited by Monseratto; March 17th, 2008 at 09:06 PM.

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    shadap jun lozada...your school tour will not prosper...you are a political tool or gigolo of some politicians....joey de venecia you are bad trip pare...kulang ka lang sa grass......i hate your slang taglish..you better Bayk offff....bad trip ka men....gusto mo grass?

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    a similar analogy

    subukan nyo tanungin mga militante saka mga makakaliwa na aktibista.

    tanong mo sa kanila, pano na kung nanalo adhikain nyo? pano kung naging komunista na tayo ano gagawin nyo under communist rule? eh numero unong bawal sa communism ang mga people power, rally rally na yan.

    ganyan din call for resign movement. gusto lang ma-satisfy emotions nila ngaun, without even thinking of the LONG TERM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isuzoom View Post
    Support call for GMA to resign then what?....that's the million dollar question.
    Lahat daw ng pinoy makakatikim ng berjer hahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isuzoom View Post
    shadap jun lozada...your school tour will not prosper...you are a political tool or gigolo of some politicians....joey de venecia you are bad trip pare...kulang ka lang sa grass......i hate your slang taglish..you better Bayk offff....bad trip ka men....gusto mo grass?
    Hahahaha dude I agree with you. Laging conyo hits tong si Joey. Kala mo kung sinong bata napapanot na din ala love of his life Jun Lozada. Kakahiya ka Jun La Salle ka pa man din. Pati school dinamay mo na dun ka nagtatago sa mga priests and nuns. Pati Taft traffic lalo kasi ung mga ibang students na-brainwash mo din.

    Point talaga dito, si Joey nagsalita kasi hindi nya nakuha yung project. Simple as that. Nainggit kay FG kasi solo nila di sya kasama.

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    Hindi talaga uubra ang bid nila Joey, maliban sa anak siya ni JDV, wala siyang capital at technical partner. Mas magulo ngayon ang bansa kung pumayag si PGMA sa ganon. President and Speaker nagconchaba ang issue.

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    na onse naman si bro. armin of la salle...not all la sallian ay kasama sa kagagohan ni bro. armin...la sallian din ako kausap ko ma fellow alumni and time will tell mag palabas kami ng press statement na we are not joining bro. armin's sentiments or comedy act...we admire san beda's press statement kung ano stand nila sa issue....the real score in la salle is young brothers are anti GMA but the older and wiser brothers are not interested in the circus.

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    ito ang nakakainis....Jun Lozada is everywhere in the country and telling the listener that he got death threats etc..etc.. putong inamoy mo an labo mo men....Bayck offff!!!! enjoy lang ako sa kay adik de venecia ...parang naka hit sa mga rally...yo joey! come on light my fire dude....

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    lasalle ba si JLo? akala ko ust grad sya?

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    Mga anak niya LSGH, siguro humingi ng tulong sa UST sagot nila Ano ka hilo tapos mo.... kilala ka na namin!
    kung si brother Andrew or Donato hindi madaling lokohin yon kami nga hindi umubra. Marami pang burjer ang kailangan niya kainin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isuzoom View Post
    ito ang nakakainis....Jun Lozada is everywhere in the country and telling the listener that he got death threats etc..etc.. putong inamoy mo an labo mo men....Bayck offff!!!! enjoy lang ako sa kay adik de venecia ...parang naka hit sa mga rally...yo joey! come on light my fire dude....
    Hahahaha oo dude puro sya sabi ng sabi ng death threats eh simple lang naman yan. Pag pinatay sya sino ba unang sisisihin? Malamang Malacanang. They're smart enough not to do that. Nagtatago lang sya sa mga skirt ng mga madre. Aminin mo na kasi Jun naging kayo ni Neri.

    Aba at RED PLATES pa ang convoy nitong hayop na to? Galing mo talaga payatot!

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