What is a good answer to this?

[badkuk]

This is what i tell myself, even though i have trouble accepting it at times:

Think about it, if God always made his presence felt, ready to send you to hell if you did something bad, what would you do?

What if you looked around and didn't see God? You start to think God doesn't exist. Ayun, labasan na ng sungay.

My point: it's easier to see one's true nature when there is no imminent threat of damnation. So God pretends not to be there, but is constantly watching. Once you reach the checkout counter of life, that's only when our accounts get settled.

What i can't answer is, why not just do away with the charade, push a button and send all bad people straight to hell right this instant :p

[erick_214]

If there is no god why do people have a sense of good and bad?

If there is no god we will be shagging each other...

If thre is no god, I'll be f*cking your wife and daughters...

If there is no god all of you guys in this forum will not exist, coz someone would have killed all of you already...

So what do you guys think? Is there there a god or not?

[andywesteast]

Q: Does God exist?

A: Nobody knows. We all find out when we die.

[niky]

If there is no god why do people have a sense of good and bad?

If there is no god we will be shagging each other...

If thre is no god, I'll be f*cking your wife and daughters...

If there is no god all of you guys in this forum will not exist, coz someone would have killed all of you already...

So what do you guys think? Is there there a god or not?

If you need "God" to tell you why it's wrong to hurt other people needlessly, then you're not a very good human being.

It's fairly simple to arrive at human rights in the absence of a Paternal, Patriarchal God.

By logic, these rights are self-evident:

1. The human right of life. If you do not hold this right as self-evident, you do not value your own life (as you are a human) and you can be killed. If you then say: "I value my own life, I don't give a crap about others." Then society is within its rights to kill you, as you are a danger to others.

2. The human right to live their life as they see fit. Everyone has the right to eat what they want, sleep with whomever they want to, and act as they wish. They have the right to do the things necessary to further their own life (work, gather food) and to own property that helps them do this. This right extends only as far as themselves. They do not have the freedom to do things that will trample upon other people's rights to do these things.

Ex. Your method of work deprives other people of property, because you are a professional thief. By logic, wrong.

If you do not respect people's rights to freedom, then other people have no need to respect your right to these freedoms, and can take them away from you. Thus, mutual respect is in your best interest.

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No need for God. But whether there is a God or not, it is in our best interests to respect the rights of other people and to generally treat them nice.

[erick_214]

If you need "God" to tell you why it's wrong to hurt other people needlessly, then you're not a very good human being.

It's fairly simple to arrive at human rights in the absence of a Paternal, Patriarchal God.

By logic, these rights are self-evident:

1. The human right of life. If you do not hold this right as self-evident, you do not value your own life (as you are a human) and you can be killed. If you then say: "I value my own life, I don't give a crap about others." Then society is within its rights to kill you, as you are a danger to others.

2. The human right to live their life as they see fit. Everyone has the right to eat what they want, sleep with whomever they want to, and act as they wish. They have the right to do the things necessary to further their own life (work, gather food) and to own property that helps them do this. This right extends only as far as themselves. They do not have the freedom to do things that will trample upon other people's rights to do these things.

Ex. Your method of work deprives other people of property, because you are a professional thief. By logic, wrong.

If you do not respect people's rights to freedom, then other people have no need to respect your right to these freedoms, and can take them away from you. Thus, mutual respect is in your best interest.

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No need for God. But whether there is a God or not, it is in our best interests to respect the rights of other people and to generally treat them nice.

What I meant is:

If there is no god, then the theory of evolution must be correct. Now if we all came from apes then we will all be wild up to this point of time. Then so, somewhere along the line there was a "selective" intervention who shaped those apes' behaviors and characters which became men. So the Theory about Ancient Aliens must be true as well?

So this will boil down to if you believe that god exist, you also believe that we all came from Adam and Eve. If you believe that there is no god, do you admit that you came from apes?

[uls]

What I meant is:

If there is no god, then the theory of evolution must be correct. Now if we all came from apes then we will all be wild up to this point of time. Then so, somewhere along the line there was a "selective" intervention who shaped those apes' behaviors and characters which became men. So the Theory about Ancient Aliens must be true as well?

So this will boil down to if you believe that god exist, you also believe that we all came from Adam and Eve. If you believe that there is no god, do you admit that you came from apes?

exactly what someone who doesnt understand evolution would say

humans did not come from apes

apes and humans had a common ancestor

there was a split or divergence long ago so apes and humans evolved separately

the evolutionary tree is full of divergences

all life on earth had a common ancestor



but of course to people who don't believe in evolution it's all bullshit

[uls]

i posted this Sept. 14, 2011

http://tsikot.com/forums/politics-ec...7/index39.html

lagi tanong ng mga believer sa non-believer --

if you dont believe in God, what's to stop you from going around killing people?

DUH!

why would i go around killing people? i'm not a violent person

i dont wanna screw up my life by killing someone

i don't want the stress of hiding from people who will take revenge on me for killing their loved one

i don't wanna get jailed. i don't wanna lose my freedom. i don't wanna ruin my life

what kind of a question is that?

just coz you don't believe in God meron ka na license to kill?

what kind of thinking is that?

IF BELIEVING IN GOD IS THE ONLY THING STOPPING YOU FROM KILLING PEOPLE THEN YOU ARE A VERY DANGEROUS PERSON

what if you lose your faith?

you become a mass murderer?

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and an equally dangerous person is one who kills coz his God told him to

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btw, yung nangyari sa Maguindanao... yung kila Ampatuan...

ummm... atheists be sila?

hinde diba?

[uls]

DO YOU NEED TO BELIEVE IN GOD TO BE BEHAVE LIKE A DECENT HUMAN BEING?

i posted this Sept 14, 2011

http://tsikot.com/forums/politics-ec...7/index29.html

lagi tanong ng mga believer sa non-believer --

if you dont believe in God, what's to stop you from going around killing people?

DUH!

why would i go around killing people? i'm not a violent person

i dont wanna screw up my life by killing someone

i don't want the stress of hiding from people who will take revenge on me for killing their loved one

i don't wanna get jailed. i don't wanna lose my freedom. i don't wanna ruin my life

what kind of a question is that?

just coz you don't believe in God meron ka na license to kill?

what kind of thinking is that?

IF BELIEVING IN GOD IS THE ONLY THING STOPPING YOU FROM KILLING PEOPLE THEN YOU ARE A VERY DANGEROUS PERSON

what if you lose your faith?

you become a mass murderer?

--

and an equally dangerous person is one who kills coz his God told him to

--

btw, yung nangyari sa Maguindanao... yung kila Ampatuan...

ummm... atheists be sila?

hinde diba?

im tired of these religion vs.evolution threads but i can't help it

i just gotta reply to the above

somebody pls shut down this thread

[badkuk]

actually, believing in God -- to extremes anyways -- can make you a dangerous person. It can make you blind to your own evils as you believe you are acting on God's will, and you'd be easier to manipulate to "fight for your faith", when their true intention is power.

The irony is that religion is one of the main causes of war in the whole of human history.

Hey, if faith makes you a good person, then i'm all for it. All i'm saying is, wag ka lang pauuto.

sorry OT na

[niky]

I don't know whether the idea of Ancient Aliens is more insulting to us humans, who apparently are so lame that we can't achieve civilization on our own, or the Aliens, who are apparently so stupid and backwards that the only engineering trick they can teach humans is how to use a plumb and bob to make straight lines and how to pile stones up from biggest to smallest.

Easy to look at the perfect Pyramids of Giza and think: "That's too perfect for ancient people to have built." without looking at the dozens of other pyramids that aren't nearly as perfectly proportioned, soundly engineered or even completed. Pyramid-making as an art evolved over time, and it didn't happen overnight.



This is just like evolution. If you only look at the final form... humans... you'll think... that's too perfect. But if you look at all the in-between forms (for which we have tons of fossil evidence), you'll note that it took a long time to arrive at the shape we have today.

What I meant is:

If there is no god, then the theory of evolution must be correct. Now if we all came from apes then we will all be wild up to this point of time. Then so, somewhere along the line there was a "selective" intervention who shaped those apes' behaviors and characters which became men. So the Theory about Ancient Aliens must be true as well?

So this will boil down to if you believe that god exist, you also believe that we all came from Adam and Eve. If you believe that there is no god, do you admit that you came from apes?

Uls already answered this, but to note:

The fact that we evolved from proto-lemurs into humans does not contradict what we are and what values we hold. The values I gave are absolute and based in logic.

They are not absolute religious values. Most religions over the millenia have taught their followers that it is okay to kill infidels for the simple act of unbelief. Christianity is unique amongst religions with God-worship* in that it preaches tolerance... "Do unto others" ...even if followers have not always heeded that call (the Inquisition).

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Don't let what I say stop you from being a Christian, however. If you hold "love thy neighbor" as an absolute, sure, I'll support you. But if you start using some obscure Hebraic** Bible passage to justify discriminating against contraception, homo***uals or non-Christians, forget about it.Do us a favor and stop wearing modern clothing, because according to the Bible, that's a sin, too***.

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*Buddhism and Confucianism have similar tenets, but they're not God-centric religions.

**Whatever the Church may claim about gateways to abortion, much of the resistance to the anti-RH bill simply stems from the Catholic tenet against "spilling seed on the ground", which dates back to an Old Testament passage wherein a man was expected to **** his dead brother's wife so she would have a child. Yeah. Great way to defend family values. In the Old Testament, God looked favorably on the killing of infidels in Canaan, also.

***According to Leviticus, wearing clothing of "blended" fibers is prohibited.

[robot.sonic]

What I meant is:

If there is no god, then the theory of evolution must be correct. Now if we all came from apes then we will all be wild up to this point of time. Then so, somewhere along the line there was a "selective" intervention who shaped those apes' behaviors and characters which became men. So the Theory about Ancient Aliens must be true as well?

So this will boil down to if you believe that god exist, you also believe that we all came from Adam and Eve. If you believe that there is no god, do you admit that you came from apes?

I believe in god and the theory of evolution.

In the beginning there was nothing. And god said let there be light. Boom! Big bang! Tapos na form ang planets. Then nag cool down, yung ibang parts naging lupa. Then nagkaroon ng animals, plants, etc. Evolution. Then came humans.

God (for me) is the energy. Yan lang ang explanation para sa akin na may sense. I was created in his own image. Yes, same energy. Like the insects, planets, everything. God created them too in his own image.

[170kphlang]

may warning din sa Bible about being too carried away with faith

"an unthinking person believes everything, but the prudent one thinks before acting"
Proverbs 14:15

[cardict]

I have come to believe that everything in this world has happened by chance and that what has survived in the history of this world is simply due to natural selection.Now,really! What a seed can do is simply a consequence of natural selection and everything a seed does just started out as an accident? After learning more science,one start to wonder if evolution can explain everything,or even just the little things that we see a round us.Indeed,the probability that chemistry and physics combine in just the right way so that a seed will grow into a tree is so infinitesimally small.And that just one form of life.There are many,many others.So,one starts to question the theory of evolution.But,what if evolution is guided( by a Supreme Being ) ?Now,that would explain a lot of things.Inevitably,one starts thinking about religion and its teachings.Eventually,I will become very religious again?---------Eduardo A. Padlan,research physicist at the US National Institute of HEalth

[Boy Bastos]

I believe in god and the theory of evolution.

In the beginning there was nothing. And god said let there be light. Boom! Big bang! Tapos na form ang planets. Then nag cool down, yung ibang parts naging lupa. Then nagkaroon ng animals, plants, etc. Evolution. Then came humans.

God (for me) is the energy. Yan lang ang explanation para sa akin na may sense. I was created in his own image. Yes, same energy. Like the insects, planets, everything. God created them too in his own image.

Got any evidence for this theory of yours? Baka nakasulat lang yan sa all-knowing-book-of-all-time.

[glenn_duke]

If there is no god why do people have a sense of good and bad?

If there is no god we will be shagging each other...

If thre is no god, I'll be f*cking your wife and daughters...

If there is no god all of you guys in this forum will not exist, coz someone would have killed all of you already...

So what do you guys think? Is there there a god or not?

The answers to all your questions is in the Bible, just read and ponder.

[miLes]

The answers to all your questions is in the Bible, just read and ponder.

eh? the bible was written by man, translated into hundreds of versions...again by man. may mga nagiisip pa pala na sinulat ni God ang bible

[nervenllarena]

wala na iniwan na kayo sa ere ni retz

[uls]

wala naman pakialam si retz kung meron o wala magreply sa posts or threads niya

he just posts and moves to the next thread and posts and moves to the next thread...

[slapz]

Theory of Evolution, I wonder what man will become in say another million years? ehehe! May bagong calendaryo na din siguru nun..

[Boy Bastos]

eh? the bible was written by man, translated into hundreds of versions...again by man. may mga nagiisip pa pala na sinulat ni God ang bible

Meron! Meron pa nga eh nagiisip na isa daw siyang angel at tagapagligtas. Tapos every Thursday nakikinig, nagpapauto at nagbabayad pa kayo sa kanya.

Sino kaya yun?