US ready to strike Iran on Good Friday

[creepy]

What M54 is saying that he wants the US to totally back out of any international endeavors. Let the other countries handle international matters. There was a time when the US was an isolationist, the last time during WW2 before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.

I agree. If the US isolated itself again and concentrated all of its wealth to help its own people, life here would be much easier.

When I mean isolationist, the US will do nothing if say, Taiwan is invaded by Red China, North Korea decide to invade South Korea, the Philippines is invaded by some other country..... You get the idea.

Add: It's tantamount to saying, "We're sitting this one out. Here, you guys do it."

Unbelievably patronizing.

But thanks, we'd appreciate that attitude. I hope the U.S. does get out the rest of the world's hair. If you're happy with it, we're happy with it.

Unfortunately, for people living in the U.S., there is a tendency for them to think that their world view is the only correct one. Americans actually believe their interference is welcome!

The only place the U.S. should stay for the long haul is Iraq. The Americans voted for an idiot who ***ked up the place, they should fix it before they go.

[creepy]

yup, that attitude is exactly what i was referring to. thank you for illustrating my point with your post.

There's actually more people outside the U.S. and the Philippines who share this attitude than those who don't.

So I'd suggest to the U.S. to go isolationist. PLEASE ALL YOU AMERICAN VOTERS, VOTE FOR PEOPLE WHO WILL CHOOSE NOT TO INTERFERE in other countries' affairs. We don't want the American government muscling in every time. We would LOVE it if the U.S. govt does not butt in.

I hope you understand that every nation is sovereign and does not appreciate being bullied or patronized.

Just as the British Empire has already disappeared, U.S. hegemony will not last forever.

[Jun aka Pekto]

Thanks, we'd appreciate that attitude. I hope the U.S. does get out the rest of the world's hair. If you're happy with it, we're happy with it.

Unfortunately, for people living in the U.S., there is a tendency for them to think that their world view is the only correct one. Americans actually believe their interference is welcome!

The only place the U.S. should stay for the long haul is Iraq. The Americans voted for an idiot who ***ked up the place, they should fix it before they go.

There's many in the US who believe we should fix our problems at home first before poking our noses at problems abroad. And there are a lot of problems right here. From my view, those need fixing first.

Obviously the US screwed up with the Iraq invasion since first and foremost, it's 12 years too late and it acted without the consent of the UN. I can understand a lot of people are pissed about that and certainly the US deserves all the lumps it's getting. But let me ask you this....

Are you one of those people who actually thought the US involvement, in say, Kosovo, back in 1999 made a difference or are you one of those who just kept quiet and wished the US would screw up like now so you can have more ammunition in your anti-US rhetoric?

As for Iraq, I'm sure the US government will stay for the long haul and try to fix things back to the way they were. Too bad they can't put Saddam back because he's already dead.

[oliver1013]

Is it really human nature to impose one's will on others? I mean even with husbands and wives if one impose their will on the other there will be war Husband wants to have beer with buddies, wife wants to impose her will that husband should stay home...pag humirit si mister bakbakan na!!

Same with world politics, I dont want your kind of government change that or we put sanctions on you, pag pumalag yung isa bakbakan na!! Or, why do you have those weapons, dispose of that or we will invade you. Pag pumalag bakbakan nanaman.

[Jun aka Pekto]

Is it really human nature to impose one's will on others? I mean even with husbands and wives if one impose their will on the other there will be war Husband wants to have beer with buddies, wife wants to impose her will that husband should stay home...pag humirit si mister bakbakan na!!

Same with world politics, I dont want your kind of government change that or we put sanctions on you, pag pumalag yung isa bakbakan na!! Or, why do you have those weapons, dispose of that or we will invade you. Pag pumalag bakbakan nanaman.

I don't know if that's a good analogy.......or maybe it is depending on which route the husbands takes. With the first paragraph, the big majority of husbands comply just to avoid any hassles.

If Iraq simply acted the part of the husband and complied with UN demads after Desert Storm, it would've been off the hook perhaps before 2003. The UN chemical/biological inspectors would've done their job, The length of UN sanctions would've been shorter, and perhaps the 2003 invasion unnecessary.

Look at Libya. It's been isolated for so long by UN sanctions (with considerable US pressure) brought about by Libya's involvement in terrorist activities throughout the 80's. Yet, once Libya complied with UN demands and came clean about its own WMD programs, relationships with other countries were normalized once more including that with the US, all that while leaving Khaddafi in power.

Iraq had no such cooperation. After Desert Storm, one of the provisions of the ceasefire was the allowing of UN inspectors to check on Iraq's chemical and biological capability with dismantling as the ultimate goal. The UN inspectors didn't really get to do their job because Saddam decided he wanted to throw them out or otherwise simply didn't want to cooperate. All through the 90's up to 2003, the UN inspectors spent more time trying to get back inside Iraq than doing the inspections themselves.

Top that off with with Saddam abusing the "oil for food" program and funneling the profits to his own interests rather than feeding his own people.

Would all that have been grounds for invasion? Personally, no. I found Saddam's supposed ties to Al Qaeda very flimsy. As for WMD's, I already stated earlier that Saddam had 12 years to hide them. The fact that none were found didn't mean they didn't exist or that they were properly disposed off. If Saddam coperated fully with the UN, then there wouldn't be any suspicions.

My view then was make Iraq wither for a long time the way the UN did with Libya. Unfortunately Bush Jr probably had the mistakes his father made on his mind and decided to act without sufficient evidence and without official UN backing...... I was against the 2003 invasion but for totally different reasons from what was being circulated then.

As for me being so focused on creepy. I apologize. I realize and respect people's views if they're different from mine. But, he seemed so focused on Iraq alone without regards to what the US had done before. What if the US sat out Kosovo? What if the US hadn't acted in Desert Shield/Deset Storm? What were the options that he would've considered beyond those that took place? He seemed so focused on his anti-US rhetoric without any real alternatives. So, I brought him up on it. Again, I apologize.

[straker]

We all agree that BushJr made a big mistake in Iraq. But its too late now, all he, Rice, his thinktank & his generals can do is try to stabilize the situation. At least for as long as he's still in charge.

But for US to do a 180 turn to leave the international scene, I don't think so. They tried to stay out in the past 2 world wars, only to be dragged later.

Whether we like it or not, they'll have to meddle into world affairs. Those in the Oval Office will have to decide which part of the world they have to wrestle with, especially if it involves shedding their blood in the process.

[Jun aka Pekto]

We all agree that BushJr made a big mistake in Iraq. But its too late now, all he, Rice, his thinktank & his generals can do is try to stabilize the situation. At least for as long as he's still in charge.

But for US to do a 180 turn to leave the international scene, I don't think so. They tried to stay out in the past 2 world wars, only to be dragged later.

Whether we like it or not, they'll have to meddle into world affairs. Those in the Oval Office will have to decide which part of the world they have to wrestle with, especially if it involves shedding their blood in the process.

It'd be nice though if they're in the same page with the EU and UN. For the majority of US involvements, they did. But, it's those where the US went at it alone that drew the most flak regardless of past involvements which were UN-sanctioned and successfully accomplished.

Add: It's probably best to let this thread die because Good Friday came and went with nothing on Iran as with the original thread title.

[oldblue]

Is it really human nature to impose one's will on others? I mean even with husbands and wives if one impose their will on the other there will be war Husband wants to have beer with buddies, wife wants to impose her will that husband should stay home...pag humirit si mister bakbakan na!!

Same with world politics, I dont want your kind of government change that or we put sanctions on you, pag pumalag yung isa bakbakan na!! Or, why do you have those weapons, dispose of that or we will invade you. Pag pumalag bakbakan nanaman.

competition keeps us all in tip-top shape

in WWII, the U.S. bested with the top engineering wonder races of the world (germans and japanese).

in the cold war era, the U.S. challenged it with another superpower.

Benefits: nakapunta ang tao sa moon, nakaimbento ang tao ng madaming technology na ginagamit natin today mainly bec. of the arms race, a lot of world policies got into effect na hindi man lang naisip ng early ancestors natin whose history is only filled with wars and death.


yan naman ang way of the world that we should all realize: if you invent or innovate on something, dont expect that other people will be all praises to you ... i-challenge ka muna or better, they'll try to bring you down.

that promotes competitiveness.

look * the Clinton era, dami nangyari all sorts of katamaran. even Clinton had time to get a fling inside the white house. Technology was not moving as fast it should be. CD-Rom 2x got into mainstream use in '92 then CD-Writer got mainstream in '98. grabe ang bagal ng technology. and then there was this so-called Asian Financial Crisis na hindi maintindihan kumbakit nangyari. the culprit: a lot of rich asian countries were rich na that time, tinamad siguro mag-move forward. tinamad magtrabaho at mag-invest.

if we will all look into the past since World War II, the US seem to have been involved in some struggle to keep their citizens alerts and moving. Russia, Korea, Vietnam, Africa, Middle East, War on Terror.

that makes the U.S. a great nation and perhaps a proud nation too bec. they are surpassing the challenges ...

[uls]

Ya close this thread.

Lumipas na pati easter.

No US strike on Iran.

[///MPower]

The fact that anyone thought it was plausible to begin with is hilarious.

Please. Russian sources for intelligence on what the US is doing next? You'd be better off asking Indonesia what Kim Jong Il's next move is going to be.

I guess you can get anyone to believe anything these days..

[oldblue]

i believe the strike got cancelled bec. the Iranian president let go of the 15 british sailors.

[uls]

Ya kaya madami naloloko ng mga email and text scam.

Anyone can do a write up (and throw in some DTI permit number ek-ek) or something that sounds like a news article... it's amazing how people would go for crap like that.

[oliver1013]

Kahit naman papano e naaliw naman tayo, good for discussion puproses naman.