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Fact check: State legislators choose electors

USA Today facted check a claim by pro-Trump personality Mark Levin

His claim:

The claim: Republican state legislators have the final say over choosing electors

Levin:

"Reminder to the Republican state legislatures, you have the final say over the choosing of electors, not any board of elections, secretary of state, governor, or even court. You have the final say — Article II of the federal Constitution. So, get ready to do your constitutional duty," conservative radio and television show host Mark Levin posted to his Facebook page on Nov. 5.

USA Today:

How electors are chosen

Electors are nominated by the political parties in each state according to rules established by state legislators. The number of electors by state is equal to the number of members of the House of Representatives plus two senators, according to Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution. A senator, representative, or a person holding an office of trust or profit cannot serve as an elector.

All but two states appoint electors from a roster of people loyal to the party of the popular vote winner, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Maine and Nebraska appoint electors by congressional district, saving the last two votes for the statewide winner. A total of 538 electors will meet at their state capitals in December to cast their votes.

Could faithless electors impact the 2020 election?

Thirty-two states have passed laws requiring electors to vote as pledged, USA TODAY reported. In an unanimous decision, the Supreme Court ruled in support of these laws in July.

"The Constitution’s text and the nation’s history both support allowing a state to enforce an elector’s pledge to support his party’s nominee – and the state voters’ choice – for president," Associate Justice Elena Kagan wrote in an opinion.

The decision was in response to the 2016 presidential election in which Trump was declared the winner. Ten faithless electors submitted deviant votes, but it was not enough to change the results, USA TODAY reported.

Roosevelt eschewed the possibility of faithless electors interfering with the popular vote this year.

Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of the University of California, Berkeley School of Law, also told USA TODAY the Supreme Court ruling "might decrease" the likelihood of deviant votes.

"The Supreme Court made it clear that the elector is not there to vote his or her conscience," Chemerinsky said. "The elector is there to vote how the state dictates."

USA fact check says:

Our rating: True

We rate this claim TRUE, based on our research. The Constitution grants state legislators the power to choose electors for the Electoral College. But the electors have the "final say" in the outcome of the presidential election. Thirty-two states adopted laws requiring electors to vote as pledged. The Supreme Court set a national precedent for voting behavior in the Electoral College when it ruled in favor of these laws in July.

[Little Missy]

Ay di ko yan alam pero for me si Biden na talaga yan.

Yan iniisip mo for sure maririnig mo din yan sa mga Americans. Marami ako nabasa about civil war and coup pero nothing about that.

Edit: I had to look it up. Yes meron nga.

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[uls]

538 people in the Electoral College

those people are called electors -- they're the ones who vote who will become president

how do they become electors?

every US state chooses them (the state legislature)

how do the electors decide who to vote for president?

their decision is guided by the popular vote

they pledge to vote for whoever wins the popular vote

but the pledge can be broken

again, designed by the Founding Fathers yan

to prevent voters from putting an unworthy person in power

(this makes a lot of people wish meron electoral college sa Pinas)

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[uls]

ang ginagawa ni Trump ngayon he's trying to prove meron anomaly sa vote counts (which determines the popular vote)

coz the popular vote guides the electors diba

kung hindi siya nag tagumpay diyan, Trump can go directly to influence states to choose electors that will favor him

so kahit panalo si Biden sa popular vote, electors can go rogue and vote for Trump

Trump/GOP could already be working on that simultaneously

[Little Missy]

I will read more about it and tell why you might wrong charot

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[uls]

Ok



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amazing the 2 most active Trumpists here don't even post what i just brought up

[ray_noel]

538 people in the Electoral College

those people are called electors -- they're the ones who vote who will become president

how do they become electors?

every US state chooses them (the state legislature)

how do the electors decide who to vote for president?

their decision is guided by the popular vote

they pledge to vote for whoever wins the popular vote

but the pledge can be broken

again, designed by the Founding Fathers yan

to prevent voters from putting an unworthy person in power

(this makes a lot of people wish meron electoral college sa Pinas)

Hmmm... interesting... for example, if alabama chooses biden sa popular votes meaning there’s 9 electoral vote automatic for biden right?

However, these 9 electoral vote (house of representatives/senators) still has the final say on whoever they will vote on january? They can choose to vote trump even if biden won the popular vote?

If yes, So it’s important to have those house of rep/senators to be on the side of biden if biden wants to become the president... otherwise waley yung 279 na states for biden...

So if biden voter ka, you have to vote the house of rep/senators that are with biden... Para mahila ang 9 electoral vote to be in favor with biden...

If all are correct, my question is... the 9 electoral vote from alabama... if it’s 5 biden and 4 trump, is it matic 9 for biden for alamabana or they will take it as it is? 5 biden then 4 trump? And move on to next electoral states....


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[Little Missy]

Ok



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amazing the 2 most active Trumpists here don't even post what i just brought up

It's an attempt to steal the election. Syempre di mo talaga maririnig sa kanila yan. Ang narrative nila dinaya si Trump at nanalo siya by "legal" votes.

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[uls]

Hmmm... interesting... for example, if alabama chooses biden sa popular votes meaning there’s 9 electoral vote automatic for biden right?

However, these 9 electoral vote (house of representatives/senators) still has the final say on whoever they will vote on january? They can choose to vote trump even if biden won the popular vote?

If yes, So it’s important to have those house of rep/senators to be on the side of biden if biden wants to become the president... otherwise waley yung 279 na states for biden...

So if biden voter ka, you have to vote the house of rep/senators that are with biden... Para mahila ang 9 electoral vote to be in favor with biden...

If all are correct, my question is... the 9 electoral vote from alabama... if it’s 5 biden and 4 trump, is it matic 9 for biden for alamabana or they will take it as it is? 5 biden then 4 trump? And move on to next electoral states....


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the electors who comprise the electoral college are not congressmen or senators

mga civilian sila na pinipili ng political parties

pero yes meron choice ang elector di sumunod sa popular vote

[uls]

It's an attempt to steal the election. Syempre di mo talaga maririnig sa kanila yan. Ang narrative nila dinaya si Trump at nanalo siya by "legal" votes.

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well the 2 Trumpists have to be aware of that plan

di pala sila updated

[Wave24/7]

^ Busy watching/reading fake news


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[uls]

^ Busy watching/reading fake news


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haha

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[Little Missy]

the electors who comprise the electoral college are not congressmen or senators

mga civilian sila na pinipili ng political parties

pero yes meron choice ang elector di sumunod sa popular vote

Malabo uls.

The electors are most likely people who are loyal to the candidate / party. Yung mga electors ng dem party malabong bumuto for Trump.

Also, this 2020 may ruling na ang supreme court giving states the constitutional right to uphold their popular vote. So kung democratic party yung nakakuha ng electoral college, dapat si Biden din ang iboto ng electors.

Funny pareho naman context ng sources natin pero iba tayo ng interpretation.



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[uls]

Malabo uls.

The electors are most likely people who are loyal to the candidate / party. Yung mga electors ng dem party malabong bumuto for Trump.

Also, this 2020 may ruling na ang supreme court giving states the constitutional right to uphold their popular vote. So kung democratic party yung nakakuha ng electoral college, dapat si Biden din ang iboto ng electors.

Funny pareho naman context ng sources natin pero iba tayo ng interpretation.



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When I used the word civilian I meant people who are party loyals

Like Democrats can choose a democrat politician's cousin who they know will vote for the democrat presidential candidate

Hindi ung kung sino sino lang

[Little Missy]

When I used the word civilian I meant people who are party loyals

Like Democrats can choose a democrat politician's cousin who they know will vote for the democrat presidential candidate

Hindi ung kung sino sino lang

So pano pa din magagamit ni Trump ito? Paramihan ng electors, mas marami sa democratic party because of the electoral college. They're are loyal and also bound by the law to vote according to the popular vote.

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[Flipo]

Franklin Graham
Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, who Joe Biden said he would appoint as coronavirus advisor, is the same man who wrote the article, “Why I Hope to Die at 75.” Dr. Emanuel said that “by 75, creativity, originality, and productivity are pretty much gone for the vast, vast majority of us." It would seem that Dr. Emanuel doesn’t highly value the elderly. This should concern every American—and it should really concern Joe Biden, who is 77! Dr. Emanuel must have never known people like my father Dr. Billy Graham who was very sharp and made a huge contribution far past the age of 75. Dr. Emanuel is listed as an oncologist, a bioethicist, and a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, which is a liberal organization in Washington, D.C., that pushes the progressive agenda.

Biden coronavirus adviser Dr. Zeke Emanuel once argued it'''s not worth living past 75 | Fox News

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Franklin Graham
Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, who Joe Biden said he would appoint as coronavirus advisor, is the same man who wrote the article, “Why I Hope to Die at 75.” Dr. Emanuel said that “by 75, creativity, originality, and productivity are pretty much gone for the vast, vast majority of us." It would seem that Dr. Emanuel doesn’t highly value the elderly. This should concern every American—and it should really concern Joe Biden, who is 77! Dr. Emanuel must have never known people like my father Dr. Billy Graham who was very sharp and made a huge contribution far past the age of 75. Dr. Emanuel is listed as an oncologist, a bioethicist, and a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, which is a liberal organization in Washington, D.C., that pushes the progressive agenda.

Biden coronavirus adviser Dr. Zeke Emanuel once argued it'''s not worth living past 75 | Fox News

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