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View Poll Results: If the election were to be held today, who will you vote for as Vice President?

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  • Alan Peter Cayetano

    13 23.64%
  • Francis Escudero

    0 0%
  • Gringo Honasan

    0 0%
  • Ferdinand Marcos Jr.

    11 20.00%
  • Leni Robredo

    29 52.73%
  • Antonio Trillanes V

    1 1.82%
  • None of the above

    1 1.82%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altis6453 View Post
    Healing comes with justice. If BBM can't even acknowledge his father's sins while in office, he doesn't deserve to stay in public office.

    In fact, if there were any true justice in this world, Imelda, Bongbong and his ilk would either be in jail or rotting 6 feet under.
    Ok. Again ang may tunay na sala is the father. Now let me ask you this... Ninoy is a HERO (or at least yun yung lumalabas sa history), is that how we should look at his children? Almost everyone condemns MARCOS because of the former president. May nagcomment pa nga na "putting them into power is a different thing". Tsong papasok lang po ang sinasabing common sense if 100 percent kang sigurado na uulitin ni BBM ang nagawa ng ama niya. So common sense nga lang na wag na siya iluklok. Please review history based on the inputs of both sides. Martial Law is declared all over the Philippines. Bakit karamihan ng victims eh taga Maynila halos? How about sa ibang kapuluan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenbeast View Post
    Bakit madaming ayaw kay BBM? Siya ba nagdeclare ng martial law?

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    Simply because he is a Marcos, no matter what. Ganyan na mga pilipino ngayon. Just like the Montero SUA effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenbeast View Post
    Bakit madaming ayaw kay BBM? Siya ba nagdeclare ng martial law?

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    Bakit madaming may gusto kay BBM?

    Siya ba yung gumawa ng infrastructure projects ng tatay niya?

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    Honestly, these election results are probably for the best.

    Walang Aquino, Roxas, Macapagal, Estrada o Marcos sa Malacanang. Finally, may ibang mukha. Atsaka magkaiba pa yung ideologies nila, pero parehong "what you see is what you get". Parehong simpleng tao.

    Kung ayaw niyo sa oligarchs, dynasties, etcetera, eto na.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    timeless....


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    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
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    Honestly, these election results are probably for the best.

    Walang Aquino, Roxas, Macapagal, Estrada o Marcos sa Malacanang. Finally, may ibang mukha. Atsaka magkaiba pa yung ideologies nila, pero parehong "what you see is what you get". Parehong simpleng tao.

    Kung ayaw niyo sa oligarchs, dynasties, etcetera, eto na.
    This POV is a bit romanticist, niky. Erap's clan isn't exactly part of the oligarchy, yet he played the classic puppet's role.

    All the candidates who ran recently (well, except Señares) were backed by different oligarchs in the country.

    It's like the global automotive industry--it's still dominated by the big auto conglomerates even though it seems like there's a new brand. Duterte is not the revolutionary Tesla in the industry; he's just Toyota's Scion 😁

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    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
    Bakit madaming may gusto kay BBM?

    Siya ba yung gumawa ng infrastructure projects ng tatay niya?
    On the often promoted Marcos infrastructure projects, I will defer to Pol Medina, Jr. for a brief explanation.

    My father-in-law started working in the DPWH during the Martial Law years (he is a career gov't employee). He could tell me that for every large Marcos infra project, there where many, many more ghost projects.





    BTT: So when will FMJR finally come to his senses? When he gets his diploma? ;)
    Last edited by vinj; May 13th, 2016 at 10:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinj View Post
    On the often promoted Marcos infrastructure projects, I will defer to Pol Medina, Jr. for a brief explanation.

    My father-in-law started working in the DPWH during the Martial Law years (he is a career gov't employee). He could tell me that for every large Marcos infra project, there where many, many more ghost projects.





    BTT: So when will FMJR finally come to his senses? When he gets his diploma? ;)
    Sir ok lang irepost ko sa fb yung comic strip?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dende View Post
    Sir ok lang irepost ko sa fb yung comic strip?
    You might want to repost these also

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dende View Post
    Sir ok lang irepost ko sa fb yung comic strip?
    Yeah, oks lang naman. Just acknowledge PMJR when you repost.

    Here's some food for thought. I don't know how true or how the person really is but it does give some insight.

    Pablo Escobar's son: Why I gave up my vow of revenge and work to reform drug policy | Americas | News | The Independent

    Making peace, both with himself and others, has become a hallmark of Mr Marroquin’s adult life. He now travels the world giving talks on drug policy reform, violence prevention and the importance of reconciliation in conflict resolution.

    In 2009, he met the children of the late Justice Minister Rodrigo Lara and former presidential candidate Luis Carlos Galan, both murdered by his father, to ask for forgiveness. “I was surprised when they agreed to sit down with me,” he admits. “Reconciliation is not usually part of a Colombian’s vocabulary.”

    He was particularly moved when they told him: “You were also a victim of Pablo Escobar.” He says: “I don’t know if that’s true. But if so, I’m the last person in Colombia who deserves any sympathy.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenbeast View Post
    Bakit madaming ayaw kay BBM? Siya ba nagdeclare ng martial law?
    He was part and parcel of a family and a network (cronies, military men) that brought our nation to its knees.

    He refuses to acknowledge that there are wrongdoings and that they enriched themselves. You can quote him on misleading statements such as claiming the Marcos years to the golden years (gold for him indeed), how we could have been the next SG had it not been for People Power, etc. He himself is trying to rewrite history and changes people's minds. Let alone seeing him do any move to return their ill-gotten wealth.

    Apologists will say he was not his parents however you can confirm that he was already in politics by the 80s, and sat in Marcos crony companies.

    Marcos years marked 'golden age' of PH economy? Look at the data

    Excerpts:

    Thirty years after the first EDSA Revolution, many myths about the Marcos era are being deliberately floated around especially among today’s youth.

    Particularly alarming is the mistaken notion that the Marcos era ushered in the “golden age” for Philippine society, including the economy.

    We thought we might contribute to the ongoing discussion by looking at the data and allowing them to speak for themselves....
    Based on the way his children speak on social media (i also had acquaintances who are nephews), they obviously did not inform them about what their family really did all these years.

    Quote Originally Posted by ramones283 View Post
    BTW, voted for Miriam and BBM.
    I'd want to understand why you voted for FMJR. This can help enlighten us as to why it has reached this point.

    My own children, nieces and nephews know well enough about Martial Law, and EDSA. As someone who comes from a family whose own members were jailed and tortured, whose friends were killed, it is a mission to ensure that all fought for are not in vain. I had cousins who spent their childhood under surveillance, moving homes often and spent weekends visiting parents in jail. Maswerte pa kami sa kalagayan na yan, and lot of people experienced the same, or worse fates.

    The long term victim is a country that languished in poverty for many generations to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vinj View Post
    He was part and parcel of a family and a network (cronies, military men) that brought our nation to its knees.

    He refuses to acknowledge that there are wrongdoings and that they enriched themselves. You can quote him on misleading statements such as claiming the Marcos years to the golden years (gold for him indeed), how we could have been the next SG had it not been for People Power, etc. He himself is trying to rewrite history and changes people's minds. Let alone seeing him do any move to return their ill-gotten wealth.

    Apologists will say he was not his parents however you can confirm that he was already in politics by the 80s, and sat in Marcos crony companies.

    Marcos years marked 'golden age' of PH economy? Look at the data

    Excerpts:



    Based on the way his children speak on social media (i also had acquaintances who are nephews), they obviously did not inform them about what their family really did all these years.



    I'd want to understand why you voted for FMJR. This can help enlighten us as to why it has reached this point.

    My own children, nieces and nephews know well enough about Martial Law, and EDSA. As someone who comes from a family whose own members were jailed and tortured, whose friends were killed, it is a mission to ensure that all fought for are not in vain. I had cousins who spent their childhood under surveillance, moving homes often and spent weekends visiting parents in jail. Maswerte pa kami sa kalagayan na yan, and lot of people experienced the same, or worse fates.

    The long term victim is a country that languished in poverty for many generations to come.
    i propose that a new subject " MARCOS, THE DICTATOR" be taught in high school be it public or private.

    the most effective way to prevent evil from rearing its ugly head again is to understand, know it thoroughly, and to instill in the minds of the new generation the extent of its depravity.

    according to george santayana, those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Martinez View Post
    i propose that a new subject " MARCOS, THE DICTATOR" be taught in high school be it public or private.

    the most effective way to prevent evil from rearing its ugly head again is to understand, know it thoroughly, and to instill in the minds of the new generation the extent of its depravity.

    according to george santayana, those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.
    Thats something Aquino could have done

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    Quote Originally Posted by viper888 View Post
    Thats something Aquino could have done
    it can still be done, if not now (because we have a president-in-waiting who seems to be a fan boy) then sometime in the future.

    political will is all it needs to be implemented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by viper888 View Post
    Thats something Aquino could have done
    I agree. I'm really curious why he didn't. And why he didn't aggressively went after more Marcos loot. Heck, even those who conspired to murder his father.

    Here comes DepEd saying let's teach a neutral version of Martial Law.

    DepEd sets new directions on teaching martial law era | Inquirer News

    History is never neutral.

    I'm curious as to how a pro Marcos Duterte will treat this matter. And fck him if he pushes through in burying FM at the Libingan ng mga Bayani

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    Common sense lang.

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    I was born 1992 and I understand that. Its a pity many are ignorant.


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    Quote Originally Posted by viper888 View Post
    I was born 1992 and I understand that. Its a pity many are ignorant.


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    The Marcos's actually spent millions of pesos (pera natin, take note) years ago to launch a subtle media and other mind-conditioning campaign to revise history. This was in preparation for BBM's bid for VP or P this year.

    Ateneo professors to Bongbong Marcos: Stop 'distortion of history'

    Don't be surprised if Sandro Marcos becomes more popular in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonemus View Post
    The Marcos's actually spent millions of pesos (pera natin, take note) years ago to launch a subtle media and other mind-conditioning campaign to revise history. This was in preparation for BBM's bid for VP or P this year.

    Ateneo professors to Bongbong Marcos: Stop 'distortion of history'

    Don't be surprised if Sandro Marcos becomes more popular in the future.
    Sandro Marcos will give it a shot at around 2046 or 2052. I think we should have a martial law museum, the same way there is a holocaust museum.

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