THE TRUTH ABOUT THE ZTE-NBN DEAL / Lozada,JdV son taped on P200,000 financing

**shadow** · March 3rd, 2008 03:51 PM

mods, can we have a sub-forum for religion? I think people are confusing politics and religion are one and the same.....

hehehe joke lang

**4wrider** · March 3rd, 2008 04:13 PM

Bakit nga ba prayer rally tawag ngayon sa mga political rallies at bakit sa inter-faith rally eh, mga politiko nagsasalita?

Actually, true religion should not be limited to Sunday masses or services. Godly one day and live the rest of the week for the Devil or Mamon the god of money. We cannot serve two masters for we will love one and hate the other. So if you leave our religion when we talk about other things e.g. politics, what master do we serve. Remember in the matter of spirituality there is no middle ground, only good and evil, black and white, the force against the empire.

May the peace of God that transcends understanding be upon us all.

**shadow** · March 3rd, 2008 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by 4wrider

Bakit nga ba prayer rally tawag ngayon sa mga political rallies at bakit sa inter-faith rally eh, mga politiko nagsasalita?

Actually, true religion should not be limited to Sunday masses or services. Godly one day and live the rest of the week for the Devil or Mamon the god of money. We cannot serve two masters for we will love one and hate the other. So if you leave our religion when we talk about other things e.g. politics, what master do we serve. Remember in the matter of spirituality there is no middle ground, only good and evil, black and white, the force against the empire.

May the peace of God that transcends understanding be upon us all.

:pope: yes father!

**grecoski** · March 3rd, 2008 05:23 PM

pare-pareho clang garapal sa bayan... e2ng c Lozada ngpkabayani pra knwari wla xang alm sa "pangingikil" na nangyari, either knti "share" nia or "natauhan" na...... sino pabang paniniwalaan mo sa bayan ntin ngaun?kung sila2 ang nagtitirahan at ngpapataasan? sila2 nagbabangayan at nagaaway-away? laglagan nio nalang ng nuclear bomb ang Batasan at Malacanang bka skaling 2mhimik ang bansa ntin... un ang Last option na nakikita ko, mpapaaga cla sa impyerno...

**4JGtootsie** · March 3rd, 2008 05:26 PM

"Yes he did, he was the one who brought up that topic, where in fact gaite should have been the one..."

> Let me rephrase the question. Did he admit about the money without anyone else mentioning it before him?

"the delay was caused by the schedule of the hearing, they had a break for a couple of days, and when the hearing resumes he told them about the money..."

> On the very first day of hearing on the ZTE, did he admit/revealed that he was bribed (500,000 pesos)?

"yes it matters where the fund came from but gaite is still insisting that it came from his uncle, but it is obvious that the funds came form malacanan, no matter who thought about it doesn't mater, the fact that it was a bribe to buy his silence, for how can gaite just give P500k to someone he admitted only met twice...is he that generous?"

> To whom did JLo ask money from?
Is it possible for that it did'nt come from PGMA?

"anybody from malacanan..that is the fact..."

> Anybody from Malacanang that could have beniffited, it could be a cabinet secretary, a consultant like JLo, an ally of Joey in malacanang.
But we need real facts, money trail, documents to prove that indeed the president is the one who gave it.

"he just asked for money it was gaite who came up with that amount...now how did he came up with that amount? your guess is as good as mine, he didn;t spend it yet bec he used he's credit card in paying his expenses in HK...and the money was given to his brother while he was still in HK...the is supposedly to pay for his credit card expenses"

> And JLo accepted it through his brother eventhough it was too much.
They could have returned the excess and signed only for what is enough.
This could easily be done isnt it?

"but Neri already said that he told GMA about the anomalous contracts..and I doubt it if she doesn't know the wheeling and dealing of his people behind the scene, if that is that is the case then she's a lame president...and the more reason she should go...."

>Did they continue contract? When was it junked? Who ordered the junking?

**grecoski** · March 3rd, 2008 05:27 PM

wag pla bomba nukleyar at cgurodong papatgin ang Maynila, khit JDAM lng at Tomahawk cruise missile pwde na

**4wrider** · March 3rd, 2008 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by shadow

:pope: yes father!

I'll take that as a compliment but I'm not a Catholic.

**fourtheboys96** · March 3rd, 2008 05:44 PM

sa mag nabasa ko dito sa tsikot about the zte-nbn eto lang obserbasyon ko.

para sa mga galit kay GMA, lahat ng sabihin ni lozada ay totoo kahit puro testimonya lang ang ebidensya. ang kanyang mga anomalyang nagawa ay hindi dahilan para kwestiyunin ang kanyang kredibilidad. hindi din hadlang ang pagiging magkaibigan nila ng losing bidder na si JDV III. dapat na paalisin si GMA kahit wala pang "due process" na gingawa.

para sa mga pro-GMA, si lozada ay pakawala ng oposisyon at kumanta lamang nang hindi makatanggap ng parte niya sa mga kickback. isa siyang ipokrito. masyadong madrama. laway lamang ang ebidensya.

karamihan siguro eh yung "no choice between GMA and the opposition" kaya status quo na lang muna and wait for 2010 (honestly dito ako). siguro yung andito eh yung naniniwalang may korupsyon talaga sa gobyernong GMA (kelan ba nawala ang corruption?) pero duda sa motibo o sa mga taong nasa likod ni lozada kaya "no choice". hehehe

yung iba kamag-anak ni GMA. yung iba naman kamag-anak ni lozada hehehe

**niky** · March 3rd, 2008 06:13 PM

It's not that Lozada himself is entirely trustworthy... his reputation before entering government was okay, but he apparently isn't completely innocent in this, either.

It's just that the further we dig into this morrass of lies and deceit, the more we see the rot that was at the heart of the NBN deal. Why else would the government line change from day-to-day... even if it's the same people talking? There's some major B.S. going on... and there's a lot of scrambling to cover it up.

Those of us who refuse to join those rallies aren't apathetic... we're just disgusted at the whole thing. Hello? I rallied against you people a few years ago... now I'm supposed to rally with you? Something doesn't quite add up.

The traditional opposition will never get the 'people' on their side. If it was just Cory, I'd understand, but the whole circus that's growing up around the issue is just plain ugly.

And that ugliness set in during EDSA Dos. We went there to signify our disgust with a government that cared for nothing more than to cover up its own sins. And dinumog kami diyan ng mga politikong hindi kasama sa senate hearing... parang mga langaw... Halfway through EDSA Dos, I was thoroughly disgusted. What was a legitimate protest action had turned into a political circus. I don't want to go through that again...

EDSA Dos gave us PGMA, for better or for worse. EDSA Tres? Dear Lord, who knows what we'll end up with...

**shadow** · March 4th, 2008 08:59 AM