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    #11
    Quote Originally Posted by 4JGtootsie View Post
    How about the 500,000 pesos.
    Why didnt he admit it out right?
    If he wants to come clean he should lay down all his cards. Before laying other peoples cards for them.

    Lets see what his credit card bill is and maybe malapit sa 500,000 pesos. Since that was his intention for not revealing it. In case it doesnt reach 500,000, is it a mea culpa?
    Basta ako, ke Jun ako naniniwala... me kalokohang ginagawa sa ZTE Deal... at inabuso ni GMA ang tiwala ng tao... noon, pinalampas ko ang joc joc, im sorry, CPR, lagayan sa malacanang na ikinanta ni gov ng pampanga.. at marami pang iba... sana noong pumutok ang joc joc, tinigil na nila at alam naman nila na mainit ang oposisyon sa kanila.. wala e, tinuloy pa rin, akala mo kanila ang buong pilipinas, na kung ano gusto nila okey lang sa mga tao. no way magellan....

    sasabihin na nag iimprove ang economy.. im starting to believe na dahil sa mas malaking factor ang remittances ng ofw at sa paghina ng dollar companring sa policies at magic wand ni gloria ekonomista....

    okey, given na nag iimprove ang economy.. it could be way better kung walang korapsyon..

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    #12
    I honestly respect your views. Even I was disappointed with the Joc Joc and Nani Perez deal. Maski medyo.... si MJ he stuck to what he can prove, no crying, na drama and with conviction and cards down. Even Chavit layed down all his cards. If JLo thought that all his past dealings will not be researched then he has a big surprise coming. For what we know he may not be the biggest buhaya but only a small piranha.

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    #13
    Quote Originally Posted by 4JGtootsie View Post
    How about the 500,000 pesos.
    Why didnt he admit it out right?
    If he wants to come clean he should lay down all his cards. Before laying other peoples cards for them.

    Lets see what his credit card bill is and maybe malapit sa 500,000 pesos. Since that was his intention for not revealing it. In case it doesnt reach 500,000, is it a mea culpa?
    but the fact remains that he still gave it up diba? he could have kept mum about it..but he didn't? by coming out with the P500k was his way of coming clean diba? whether he lay it out right or delayed a couple of days, doesn't matter as long as he came out with it

    anyway, gaite said that it is not from any public fund and it was a personal favor, so whether he return it or not..wala na tayo pakialam dahil private fund "daw" ni gaite yun....unless of course gaite will admit that it came from malacanan then we can make a fuss about it...

    until then it is still a "private" fund/personal loan, wala na tayo pakialam doon...

    why don't you give your reservation to malacanan instead? was the P500k a bribe to keep him from not talking?
    Last edited by shadow; March 3rd, 2008 at 09:27 AM.

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    #14
    Kamag-anak lang naman ng duwende sa Malacanang ang maniniwalang personal fund ni Gaite yung 500k. The probem with some Pandak apologists is they think they can fool the people all the time. Gaite is reading from a very, very bad script, and they apparently didn't coordinate their moves with other Palace functionaries, kaya sablay yung mga explanations niya.

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    #15
    Romans 3:10 As it is written:
    "There is no one righteous, not even one;
    11there is no one who understands,
    no one who seeks God.
    12All have turned away,
    they have together become worthless;
    there is no one who does good,
    not even one."

    There you have it, lahat naman tayo makasalanan at nangangailangan ng kaligtasan. At hindi taong makasalan ang pwedeng magligtas sa atin. Kaya huwag na tayong masyadong umasa sa Senado at Lozada.

    Pasa Diyos na lang natin.

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    #16
    Quote Originally Posted by 4wrider View Post
    Romans 3:10 As it is written:
    "There is no one righteous, not even one;
    11there is no one who understands,
    no one who seeks God.
    12All have turned away,
    they have together become worthless;
    there is no one who does good,
    not even one."

    There you have it, lahat naman tayo makasalanan at nangangailangan ng kaligtasan. At hindi taong makasalan ang pwedeng magligtas sa atin. Kaya huwag na tayong masyadong umasa sa Senado at Lozada.

    Pasa Diyos na lang natin.
    Ang sabi nga "NASA DIYOS ANG AWA, NASA TAO ANG GAWA." Kung ipapasa-Diyos mo na lang lahat parang sinabi mo na ring wala kang silbing nilalang niya.

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    #17
    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    but the fact remains that he still gave it up diba? he could have kept mum about it..but he didn't? by coming out with the P500k was his way of coming clean diba? whether he lay it out right or delayed a couple of days, doesn't matter as long as he came out with it
    >
    1. How did the 500,000 pesos subject came about? Did Jlo brought the topic or not?
    2. The delay matters. the longer you hide facts the more suspicious you become.

    anyway, gaite said that it is not from any public fund and it was a personal favor, so whether he return it or not..wala na tayo pakialam dahil private fund "daw" ni gaite yun....unless of course gaite will admit that it came from malacanan then we can make a fuss about it...
    >
    1. Where it came from matters. If it came from FG, Razon or Abalos who are private individuals/funders then its bad.


    until then it is still a "private" fund/personal loan, wala na tayo pakialam doon...

    why don't you give your reservation to malacanan instead? was the P500k a bribe to keep him from not talking?
    >
    1. Because PGMA might not be really involved. Maybe FG, Abalos, Joey, Razon or Lozada.
    2. The money could have come from anybody.

    A good question why is Lozada asking money and why that big? And why didnt he spend it when he said he needed it. We need to see his credit card bills.
    Last edited by 4JGtootsie; March 3rd, 2008 at 02:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4JGtootsie View Post
    >
    How did the 500,000 pesos subject came about? Did Jlo brought the topic or not?
    yes he did, he was the one who brought up that topic, where in fact gaite should have been the one...



    Quote Originally Posted by 4JGtootsie View Post
    > 2. The delay matters. the longer you hide facts the more suspicious you become
    the delay was caused by the schedule of the hearing, they had a break for a couple of days, and when the hearing resumes he told them about the money....

    Quote Originally Posted by 4JGtootsie View Post
    > 1. Where it came from matters. If it came from FG, Razon or Abalos who are private individuals/funders then its bad.
    yes it matters where the fund came from but gaite is still insisting that it came from his uncle, but it is obvious that the funds came form malacanan, no matter who thought about it doesn't mater, the fact that it was a bribe to buy his silence, for how can gaite just give P500k to someone he admitted only met twice...is he that generous?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4JGtootsie View Post
    >1. Because PGMA might not be really involved. Maybe FG, Abalos, Joey, Razon or Lozada.
    but Neri already said that he told GMA about the anomalous contracts..and I doubt it if she doesn't know the wheeling and dealing of his people behind the scene, if that is that is the case then she's a lame president...and the more reason she should go....

    Quote Originally Posted by 4JGtootsie View Post
    > 2. The money could have come from anybody.
    anybody from malacanan..that is the fact...

    Quote Originally Posted by 4JGtootsie View Post
    > A good question why is Lozada asking money and why that big? And why didnt he spend it when he said he needed it. We need to see his credit card bills.
    he just asked for money it was gaite who came up with that amount...now how did he came up with that amount? your guess is as good as mine, he didn;t spend it yet bec he used he's credit card in paying his expenses in HK...and the money was given to his brother while he was still in HK...the is supposedly to pay for his credit card expenses
    Last edited by shadow; March 3rd, 2008 at 03:24 PM.

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    #19
    Quote Originally Posted by 4wrider View Post
    Romans 3:10 As it is written:
    "There is no one righteous, not even one;
    11there is no one who understands,
    no one who seeks God.
    12All have turned away,
    they have together become worthless;
    there is no one who does good,
    not even one."

    There you have it, lahat naman tayo makasalanan at nangangailangan ng kaligtasan. At hindi taong makasalan ang pwedeng magligtas sa atin. Kaya huwag na tayong masyadong umasa sa Senado at Lozada.

    Pasa Diyos na lang natin.
    religion + politics =

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syuryuken View Post
    Ang sabi nga "NASA DIYOS ANG AWA, NASA TAO ANG GAWA." Kung ipapasa-Diyos mo na lang lahat parang sinabi mo na ring wala kang silbing nilalang niya.
    Wala sa Bible yung quotation mo but I heard it said by one dumagat who believed Jose Rizal is god and still alive.

    Pero tama ka sa Gospel sinabi na we are nothing without God. Talagang wala tayong silbi kung wala ang Diyos sa atin. Peter said to "cast all your cares upon Him". So lahat ng alalahanin mo ay ibigay mo or ipasa mo sa Diyos. Si Paul sabi naman nya that he must decrease in order for God to increase.

    But I understand why you failed to see my point. Masakit tanggapin na makasalan ka rin tulad ng mga kinondena mong mga politiko. Judge not that you may not be judged.

    Does this mean that we do nothing and let them be? Absolutely not you can sincerely pray but not the way the preaching politicians or politicking preachers would have us do. Pray like the repentant sinner acknowledging your sins and weaknesses asking God to save you from eternal damnation and to help you to be a better person. That's how you change society. You start with your own heart.

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