Sabah Standoff Issues

[hein]

No but 20+ million Malaysians to 90+ million Filipinos...

You don't know a thing about warfare.

[stickers]

You don't know a thing about warfare.

matagal ng showing yung 300 ah.. give him a copy.

[Monseratto]

matagal ng showing yung 300 ah.. give him a copy.

You should have shown that to Sadam Hussein when the Americans invaded Iraq...Saan na ba si pareng Sadam

[Monseratto]

No but 20+ million Malaysians to 90+ million Filipinos...

Royal Malaysian Air Force:

18 Su-30MKM Flanker
8 F/A-18D Hornet
18 RF-5E/F-5E
10 MiG-29
12 BAE Hawk

Philippine Air Force

0

Royal Malaysian Army

48 PT-91(T-72M) Main Battle Tanks

Philippine Army

0

[badkuk]

No but 20+ million Malaysians to 90+ million Filipinos...

ok...sabihin na natin that we can get all 20+ million Malaysians and 90+ million Filipinos in an arena, no weapons, good old fashioned rumble. The question still stands: are you willing to sacrifice yourself and your family for the sultan, for a piece of rock that you can't even claim as part of your country?

No offense meant po sir, you are entitled to your own views...i'm just not convinced this is a fight worth fighting for, considering our current capabilities, the people involved, what's at stake, and the collateral damage ;)

[iOz]

You don't know a thing about warfare.

Honestly I haven't got a single clue, I'm talking about population here.

[iOz]

You should have shown that to Sadam Hussein when the Americans invaded Iraq...Saan na ba si pareng Sadam

Yup, he's in hell executed by his own people.

[iOz]

Anyway, what's happening to Malaysia now is their biggest KARMA. Let the Kiram pursue their claim. as a matter of fact all they want is international attention which the Philippine Government couldn't give.

[shadow]

volunteer and go to sabah

[hein]

Anyway, what's happening to Malaysia now is their biggest KARMA. Let the Kiram pursue their claim. as a matter of fact all they want is international attention which the Philippine Government couldn't give.

What Karma are you talking about?

Malaysia reaps billions and billions from the oil and timber resources in Sabah.

[renzo_d10]

volunteer and go to sabah

I agree!

I'm going to fight for my family and loved ones but not for one or several people's, whom I don't even know, interest. Why declare war when you know your country might not even stand a chance

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[yebo]

hindi atin ang sabah. kahit saang history books mo tignan ang teritoryo ng pilipinas hindi kasama ang sabah. nung panahon ng kastila ang nasakop lang nila ay hangang zamboanga lang, at hindi pa lahat meron lang silang mga kuta/forts at puerto na mga strongholds nila. proof nyan ay yung mga simbahan. 1898 nag-declare ng independence ang kkk sa kastila. wala ka makikita na simbahan older than 115 years (1898-2013 = 115 years) sa kinasasakupan ng sultanate of sulu maliban lang sa zamboanga, cotabato at dapitan. sa jolo at tawi-tawi walang simbahan dun na older than 115 years old. so hindi nasakop yung ng mga kastila. so nung nagdeclare ng independence si aguinaldo e hindi kasama ang sultanate of sulu. nasakop lang ang sultanate of sulu nung dumating na ang mga kano kasi hindi naman nila kinonvert sa kristyanismo mga muslim. at nung 1906 yata yun nagkaron ng partition ng teritories ang mga ruling world powers na mga amerikano, english at dutch nung panahon na yun. ang teritoryo ng pilipinas sa treaty na yun ay hangang tawi-tawi lang. ang sabah ay napunta sa britain at ang kalimantan ay napunta sa dutch. kaya naman nung nag-grant na sila ng independence sa mga colonies nila ang sakop ng kano ay sa pilipinas, sakop ng british ay sa malayan federation at kalimantan ay sa indonesia.

hindi sa atin ang sabah. ang sabah ay pagaari ng sultanate of sulu pero hindi ng pilipinas. ito ay teritoryo ng malaysia.

pag ikaw ba may ari ka ng lupa sa australia o america philippine teritory ba yun? hindi naman di ba. ganyan din yan, pagaari ng sultanate pero hindi ng pilipinas.

[Gerbo]

hindi atin ang sabah. kahit saang history books mo tignan ang teritoryo ng pilipinas hindi kasama ang sabah. nung panahon ng kastila ang nasakop lang nila ay hangang zamboanga lang, at hindi pa lahat meron lang silang mga kuta/forts at puerto na mga strongholds nila. proof nyan ay yung mga simbahan. 1898 nag-declare ng independence ang kkk sa kastila. wala ka makikita na simbahan older than 115 years (1898-2013 = 115 years) sa kinasasakupan ng sultanate of sulu maliban lang sa zamboanga, cotabato at dapitan. sa jolo at tawi-tawi walang simbahan dun na older than 115 years old. so hindi nasakop yung ng mga kastila. so nung nagdeclare ng independence si aguinaldo e hindi kasama ang sultanate of sulu. nasakop lang ang sultanate of sulu nung dumating na ang mga kano kasi hindi naman nila kinonvert sa kristyanismo mga muslim. at nung 1906 yata yun nagkaron ng partition ng teritories ang mga ruling world powers na mga amerikano, english at dutch nung panahon na yun. ang teritoryo ng pilipinas sa treaty na yun ay hangang tawi-tawi lang. ang sabah ay napunta sa britain at ang kalimantan ay napunta sa dutch. kaya naman nung nag-grant na sila ng independence sa mga colonies nila ang sakop ng kano ay sa pilipinas, sakop ng british ay sa malayan federation at kalimantan ay sa indonesia.

hindi sa atin ang sabah. ang sabah ay pagaari ng sultanate of sulu pero hindi ng pilipinas. ito ay teritoryo ng malaysia.

pag ikaw ba may ari ka ng lupa sa australia o america philippine teritory ba yun? hindi naman di ba. ganyan din yan, pagaari ng sultanate pero hindi ng pilipinas.

Correct me if I'm wrong, the sultan of Sulu eventually somehow "transfer" its claim in favor of the Philippine government during Macapagal's presidency.

[rollyic]

Malaysia denies paying rent for Sabah: report | ABS-CBN News

Malaysia denies paying rent for Sabah: report

ABS-CBNnews.com
Posted at 03/08/2013 12:02 PM | Updated as of 03/08/2013 5:58 PM


MANILA - Malaysia's payment of nearly P70,000 to the sultanate of Sulu yearly is not for the rental of Sabah but cession money for the handover of the territory, a report from the New Straits Times said Friday.

Malaysian Foreign Affairs Minister Datuk Seri Anifah Aman said the Malaysian government does not recognize any outside claims that Sabah does not belong to Malaysia.

He told Malaysia's TV3 that the 1878 agreement between Alfred Dent and Baron von Overbeck of the British North Borneo Company and the sultan of Sulu at that time stated that the sultan of Sulu ceded the region of North Borneo permanently, and the heir is entitled to receive annual payment of 5,300 Mexican Pesos.

"It is not payment for rent, but as cession," he said.

The report said Anifah and Philippine Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario were also puzzled why the Sabah standoff occurred when both countries are facing elections.

The Malaysian foreign minister quoted a Reuters report that said followers of Jamalul Kiram III "had been invited to Sabah by a Malaysian opposition politician to discuss land issues."

Anifah said he had urged del Rosario to investigate the claim.

"Maybe there are certain parties that do not want Malaysia or the leadership of the Malaysian government to be recognised.

"It is not impossible that there are people who are spiteful of the Barisan Nasional leadership led by our prime minister, Datuk Seri Najib Razak, which has excelled and gained recognition internationally."

Philippine President Aquino earlier said there are signs that a conspiracy was behind the decision of Kiram's followers to press their claim on Sabah. He declined to name the alleged conspirators, saying he needed more evidence.

The Malaysian official, meanwhile, said Kiram's men were labeled terrorists because they entered the country illegally armed with weapons and engaged Malaysian security forces.

"They have no respect for our authorities and human rights. This is a terrorist act. Even with numerous discussions and dialogue sessions with the Philippine foreign affairs secretary, what has happened cannot be forgiven.

"However, both del Rosario and I agree that we will continue discussing the best possible way to resolve this matter without further bloodshed," he said,

Meanwhile, a report on the Star Online said Malaysian opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim has filed a RM100mil defamation suit against TV3 and Utusan Melayu (M) Bhd for linking him to the intrusion by an armed Sulu group in Lahad Datu.

The suit was filed at the KL High Court civil registry Friday, naming Utusan and TV3 as defendants.

Anwar has denied meeting Jamalul Kiram III, the self-proclaimed Sultan of Sulu, or having any involvement in the attacks in Sabah.

hmmmm....mukhang gumugulo ang usapan!

[Syuryuken]

Mas mataas na renta sa Sabah hangad ng Kiram clan
(Pilipino Star Ngayon) | Updated March 8, 2013 - 1:09pm


MANILA, Philippines – Nais lamang sana ng kampo ni Sulu Sultan Jamalul Kiram III na makipagpulong sa pamahalaan ng Malaysia upang pag-usapan ang mababang renta na binabayaran nito para sa Sabah, ayon kay ARMM Gov. Mujiv Hataman ngayong Biyernes.

Nang makausap ni Hataman ang anak ng sultanato na si Jacel Kiram, sinabi nito na wala naman silang planong angkinin ang Sabah at ang habol lamang nila ay ang pag-usapan ang renta kada taon ng Malaysia para sa Sabah na 5,300 ringgits na may katumbas na halagang P70,000.

"We met with sultan Jamalul Kiram, spokesman Abraham Idijarani and [Jamalul's daughter] Jacel Kiram. And when it was her time to speak, she said they have no plans of reclaiming Sabah. She said it would be better if the Malaysian government meets with them to discuss Sabah and propriety rights. She added that it is unacceptable that they are only being paid 5,300 (about P70,000) ringgits for Sabah, when that amount could not even rent an apartment," kuwento ni Hataman.

Naganap ang pagpupulong nina Hataman at ng mga Kiram noong Pebrero 18 sa lungsod ng Taguig.

Sinabi pa ni Hataman na nakausap niya sa Zamboanga nitong Huwebes si Ismail at sinabi nito na nag-iisip na ang nakababatang kapatid na si Agbimmudin Kiram ng paraan upang mapigilan ang patuloy na pagdanak ng dugo sa Sabah.

Nitong Huwebes din ay tinanggihan ng pamahalaan ng Malaysia ang alok na ceasefire ng pamilya Kiram.
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Sa halip na maghinay-hinay sa mga operasyon, nakapatay ang puwersa ng Malaysia ng 31 miyembro ng royal army ng sultanato nito ring Huwebes.

Ano naman ito? magulo!

[robsem]

Correct me if I'm wrong, the sultan of Sulu eventually somehow "transfer" its claim in favor of the Philippine government during Macapagal's presidency.

from an article from a previous post...

continuation...
The Sultanate of Sulu had ceased to exist when every inch of its territory was ceded on Sept 12, 1962 to the government of the Philippines and as the successor-in-title of the defunct sultanate, it is entitled to reclaim Sabah which is at all material times rightfully theirs.

after ng Sabah conflict na ito, mas lalo wala papansin sa Pilipinas at rerespeto sa kanyang mga claims (ie, spratlys, Scarborough Shoal, etc). Dahil alam ng lahat na all bark-no bite ang Pilipinas. Kung ang lehitimong pag mamay ari nya willing syang isacrifice dahil sa takot sa gyera ang gobyerno at kanyang mga tao, paano nalang yung mga claims nya na hindi sigurado? Buti pa mga vietnamese willing magpa massacre sa chinese maipag laban lang ang kanilang teritoryo sa spratlys. may nakuha mang part ang chinese, at least hindi lahat nakuha. yung claims natin, asa ka pa na may katiting pa tayo makukuha. lol

it's so funny na mabasa mo mga iba dito kung paano nila ipagtanggol ang dear cars nila. ayaw ng may ibang sumasakay, ayaw masagi, madumihan, etc. and yet wala pakialam na yung parte ng bansa nila kinukuha na ng ibang lahi.

base sa mga sagot ng iba, makikita mo kung gaano ka self/family oriented mga pinoys. wala sila pakialam sa paligid nila hanggat hindi sila nappwerwisyo o ang kanilang pamilya. as long as hindi sila ma inconvenience, wala issues. wala din pakialam hanggat alam nila wala sila makukuhang kapalit. bahag ang buntot pag alam na dehado sa labanan. saka lang sila may pakialam kung maapektuhan na ang pansariling interest. lol.

magmula sa gyera ng kastila, amerika, at japan, makikita mo ang hindi pagkakaisa ng mga pinoy. dami makapili at traydor. basta lang mabigyan ng pabuya at maligtas ang sarili at pamilya, babaligtad ang ibang pinoy. hehe

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kung talagang pagmamay ari ng malaysia ang sabah, bakit sila nagbabayad sa sultan/pilipinas ng yearly fee? bakit may contrata? kung talagang sa kanila yun, wala dapat contrata, walang yearly fee. wala sila pakialam dapat.

siguro kaya willing din silang mag all out war kasi ito na yung hinihintay nilang chance para makuha totally yung sabah. laki siguro pasalamat nila kay kiram sa isip isip nila. dahil pagkatapos ng gulo, wala na mangangahas pang questionin ang kanilang claims sa sabah. magiging legitimate part na ito ng malaysia. at wala gagawin ang pinas magmula ngayon dahil alam ng lahat bahag ang buntot nito. lol

my 2 cents.

[stickers]

base sa mga sagot ng iba, makikita mo kung gaano ka self/family oriented mga pinoys. wala sila pakialam sa paligid nila hanggat hindi sila nappwerwisyo o ang kanilang pamilya. as long as hindi sila ma inconvenience, wala issues. wala din pakialam hanggat alam nila wala sila makukuhang kapalit. bahag ang buntot pag alam na dehado sa labanan. saka lang sila may pakialam kung maapektuhan na ang pansariling interest. lol.

magmula sa gyera ng kastila, amerika, at japan, makikita mo ang hindi pagkakaisa ng mga pinoy. dami makapili at traydor. basta lang mabigyan ng pabuya at maligtas ang sarili at pamilya, babaligtad ang ibang pinoy. hehe

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kung talagang pagmamay ari ng malaysia ang sabah, bakit sila nagbabayad sa sultan/pilipinas ng yearly fee? bakit may contrata? kung talagang sa kanila yun, wala dapat contrata, walang yearly fee. wala sila pakialam dapat.

siguro kaya willing din silang mag all out war kasi ito na yung hinihintay nilang chance para makuha totally yung sabah. laki siguro pasalamat nila kay kiram sa isip isip nila. dahil pagkatapos ng gulo, wala na mangangahas pang questionin ang kanilang claims sa sabah. magiging legitimate part na ito ng malaysia. at wala gagawin ang pinas magmula ngayon dahil alam ng lahat bahag ang buntot nito. lol

my 2 cents.

that's how it goes nowadays, you don't fght a war you don't win... patriotism has died along with the heroes you find on your coins.

BTT: I don't see anywhere near that Malaysia would sit down and talk, Phils has cut its ties with Malaysia long long ago, so why talk now? Malaysia will just use force until they have killed every Filipino in Sabah, and we are just left here watching the sidelines.

[renzo_d10]

Tsaka wala naman makukuha Pinas kapag lumaban sila for Sabbah. Pyrrhic victory yan if ever manalo, di sulit.

Yun mga bandits natin, problema na nila yan. Patay kung patay? Go! Basta wag na sila mangdamay ng local soldiers natin na nananahimik. Our soldiers would be better off fighting & dying for the whole interest of the PH, not just for one family's benefit.

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[shadow]

Tagal ko na sinasabi, gusto lang nila taasan ng Malaysia yun rent

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[holdencaulfield]

i don't care!