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    Quote Originally Posted by iOz View Post
    Anyone has thought about this issues? Please your more than welcome to share. Honestly, someone said Royal Sultanate Army are mainly compose of MILF, MNLF and Abu Sayyaf?
    Sino ba ang tunay na Filipino?

    Ung ipinaglalaban ang karapan nya sa lupang pag-aari nya? O unang iisipin ang opinion ng mga banyaga?

    Saan ba tunay na mababasa ang kasaysayan ng Pilipinas? ito pa ba ay itunuturo pa sa paaralan?

    Ang Sabah ay hindi pag aari ng Gobyerno ng Pilipinas, ito ay pag-aari ng ng isang Pamilyang Pilipino.

    Nararapat bang ipagtangol ng Pamahalan ng Pilipinas ang karapatan sa lupa ng Pamilyang Pilipinong ito?

    O tama lang na sila ay itinataboy sa sarili nilang lupa ng mga lahing banyaga?

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    We should have asserted the Sabah claimed long before. Even if it meant going to war with the British. Losing a war with England would have meant membership with the Commonwealth. Perhaps, we might be better off than we are today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbo View Post
    We should have asserted the Sabah claimed long before. Even if it meant going to war with the British. Losing a war with England would have meant membership with the Commonwealth. Perhaps, we might be better off than we are today.
    Yan ang problema if your military is Weak.

    You get pushed around by everyone. The Brits then, now the Chinese and the Malaysians.

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    Marcos planned to invade and reclaim back Sabah in the 70's if I'm not mistaken. I used to hear stories from my uncle who was part of the commando unit trained supposedly for the mission

    I suppose we had a bad-ass military back then compared to our neighbors

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    Quote Originally Posted by xninjax View Post
    Marcos planned to invade and reclaim back Sabah in the 70's if I'm not mistaken. I used to hear stories from my uncle who was part of the commando unit trained supposedly for the mission

    I suppose we had a bad-ass military back then compared to our neighbors

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    I have to concur on this, may plan nga si Marcos. Hindi ata natuloy because he was focused na on declaring Martial law.

    Kuwento nga nang mga elders in the military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xninjax View Post
    Marcos planned to invade and reclaim back Sabah in the 70's if I'm not mistaken. I used to hear stories from my uncle who was part of the commando unit trained supposedly for the mission

    I suppose we had a bad-ass military back then compared to our neighbors]
    Since when did we have a bad-ass military?

    Malaysia finished off their communist insurgency in 3 years, tayo more than 40 years hindi pa tapos.

    Mahina ang PH military, and everyone in the region knows that, especially China.
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    If Sultan backs down... Most likely tuloy ang Bangsamoro entity... Will the Sultanate play along? Or manggugulo? Are they capable na manggulo ? Or kahit capable ba sila ay insignificant din dahil sa Sulu ay isolated from Mainland Mindanao kaya di ganoon kabilis mag spill over?

    If Sultan plays hardball now and there are casualties... Pananagutin ni PNoy anf Sultan then what? Lalong mabura yung claim nila? Manggulo pa ba? Malamang tuloy pa rin Bangsamoro entity.... Whether mag sweep ang Team PNoy o hindi may also depend to an extent on the outcome nito...

    Weird lang talaga... Mahina talaga sa diplomasya ang PNoy admin... Wala sila binigay na posssible graceful exit sa sultan... Even just to save face.... Same thing with the isssue against china...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hein View Post
    Since when did we have a bad-ass military?

    Malaysia finished off their communist insurgency in 3 years, tayo more than 40 years hindi pa tapos.

    Mahina ang PH military, and everyone in the region knows that, especially China.

    50s to 60s era. Bad ass ang AFP. Bully pa ang Pinas sa Malaysia at Indonesia. Puro fly-by ng F-86 Sabre pinoy pilots sa borders.

    Ngayon. Olats na. Kamote pa.

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    San ba ang loyalty ng Malaysian tausogs sa clan nila o sa bansa kung san sila nakatira?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbo View Post
    We should have asserted the Sabah claimed long before. Even if it meant going to war with the British. Losing a war with England would have meant membership with the Commonwealth. Perhaps, we might be better off than we are today.
    based on the record of british colony-caring in asia, india, and the middle east, the philippines would probably be three independent states now, based on luzon, visayas, and mindanao... heh heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xninjax View Post
    Marcos planned to invade and reclaim back Sabah in the 70's if I'm not mistaken. I used to hear stories from my uncle who was part of the commando unit trained supposedly for the mission

    I suppose we had a bad-ass military back then compared to our neighbors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ry_Tower View Post
    I have to concur on this, may plan nga si Marcos. Hindi ata natuloy because he was focused na on declaring Martial law.

    Kuwento nga nang mga elders in the military.
    nakita ko sa FB, na ang plano talaga ni Macoy eh talagang bantayan ang Sabah, ang ginawa ni Ninoy sinabi sa Malaysian Government yung plano ni macoy kaya ayun massacre ang inabot. "Jabidah" massacre ata yun

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrismarte View Post
    nakita ko sa FB, na ang plano talaga ni Macoy eh talagang bantayan ang Sabah, ang ginawa ni Ninoy sinabi sa Malaysian Government yung plano ni macoy kaya ayun massacre ang inabot. "Jabidah" massacre ata yun
    I still remember my dad's and uncles' story of how Ninoy divulged Marcos' plan to retake Sabah. Which subsequently led to the Jabidah Massacre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falken View Post

    I still remember my dad's and uncles' story of how Ninoy divulged Marcos' plan to retake Sabah. Which subsequently led to the Jabidah Massacre.
    And i think that also catapulted Ninoy into national consciousness... Dun sya simula nakilala...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wowiesy View Post
    And i think that also catapulted Ninoy into national consciousness... Dun sya simula nakilala...
    nope, senator na sya nun. youngest reporter in korean war, youngest mayor, youngest governor, youngest senator. kilala na siya nuon. ang mga kalaban nya sana sa 1972 elections e si doy laurel o si salonga. yun lang e may ibag balak si makoy, nag-declare ng martial law.

    as for Jabidah, hindi naman si Ninoy ang cause ng massacre, siya lang ang nag-bulgar. si Makoy ang nagpa-patay sa mga Jabidah commandos para walang ebidensiya. at yun ang umpisa ng moro revolt, na naging MNLF ni Nur Misuari (na isa sa ankan ng mga Kiram).

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